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Top general says he would resist "illegal" nuke order from Trump
« on: November 18, 2017, 06:51:21 pm »
 By Kathryn Watson CBS News November 18, 2017, 11:26 AM
Top general says he would resist "illegal" nuke order from Trump



Last Updated Nov 18, 2017 12:10 PM EST

The top U.S. nuclear commander said Saturday he would push back against President Trump if he ordered a nuclear launch the general believed to be "illegal," saying he would hope to find another solution.

Air Force Gen. John Hyten, commander of the U.S. Strategic Command (STRATCOM), told an audience at the Halifax International Security Forum in Halifax, Nova Scotia, on Saturday that he has given a lot of thought to what he would say if Mr. Trump ordered a strike he considered unlawful.

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Re: Top general says he would resist "illegal" nuke order from Trump
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2017, 06:56:11 pm »
Illegal or offends his liberal sensibilities?
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Re: Top general says he would resist "illegal" nuke order from Trump
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2017, 07:20:46 pm »
I read yesterday, if Trump puts in the strike command in the black box that is with him all the time, the nuclear launch would happen in FOUR MINUTES.  That is not long for this general to stop it.

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Re: Top general says he would resist "illegal" nuke order from Trump
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2017, 08:32:53 pm »
A General who says he intends to disobey one of the most important direct orders a President can give needs to be fired, yesterday.  Especially when he makes this announcement on foreign soil.
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Re: Top general says he would resist "illegal" nuke order from Trump
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2017, 08:39:09 pm »
I hope that a general who has reservations about the legality of an order to launch nukes would question that order and seek assurances from the president that the order is legal. 

That is part of the duty and responsibility of a senior officer, and the “I was just following orders” excuse hasn’t been a valid excuse at least since Nuremberg, if not before.   

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Re: Top general says he would resist "illegal" nuke order from Trump
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2017, 08:51:48 pm »
I hope that a general who has reservations about the legality of an order to launch nukes would question that order and seek assurances from the president that the order is legal. 

That is part of the duty and responsibility of a senior officer, and the “I was just following orders” excuse hasn’t been a valid excuse at least since Nuremberg, if not before.

Seems like a balanced view of things.  It's also a good excuse to gum up the chain of command to ensure that order never comes.  Just like everything else we've seen from the bureaucrats who really run the DeeCee show since January.

Brings up the question:  Who runs the military these days?  Is the President really CiC?  The question goes back a couple of Presidents, it's not a "Trump thing."
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Re: Top general says he would resist "illegal" nuke order from Trump
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2017, 09:02:08 pm »
And this subversive Commie still has his job why?


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Re: Top general says he would resist "illegal" nuke order from Trump
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2017, 09:06:21 pm »
Whodat?
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Re: Top general says he would resist "illegal" nuke order from Trump
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2017, 09:12:37 pm »
Agenda driven journalistic hit piece.  Implies that Trump alone, would issue an illegal order.

For how many pages will his detractors here, go on and on, about this?

Does anybody know the exact procedure followed when President Truman authorized the ONLY use of nuclear bombs?

Simple question. Yes or No.

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Re: Top general says he would resist "illegal" nuke order from Trump
« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2017, 10:42:31 pm »
I hope that a general who has reservations about the legality of an order to launch nukes would question that order and seek assurances from the president that the order is legal. 

That is part of the duty and responsibility of a senior officer, and the “I was just following orders” excuse hasn’t been a valid excuse at least since Nuremberg, if not before.

The General mentions this in the interview.

I do think it is unwise for a top ranking officer making these public statements..this isn't the military I grew up in or been apart the last 42 years.
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Re: Top general says he would resist "illegal" nuke order from Trump
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2017, 10:48:01 pm »
The General mentions this in the interview.

I do think it is unwise for a top ranking officer making these public statements..this isn't the military I grew up in or been apart the last 42 years.

I agree.  This sort of thing raises a doubt in the minds of the enemy, and that's dangerous.  Wars have been started because the enemy doubted our resolve.  Korea and Iraq (1991) are examples.
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« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2017, 09:42:44 am »
There is another possibility - disinformation for Kim Dung Un.  Just saying -

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Re: Top general says he would resist "illegal" nuke order from Trump
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2017, 10:08:57 am »
I hope that a general who has reservations about the legality of an order to launch nukes would question that order and seek assurances from the president that the order is legal. 

That is part of the duty and responsibility of a senior officer, and the “I was just following orders” excuse hasn’t been a valid excuse at least since Nuremberg, if not before.

Agreed.  The oath of office deliberately does not include the clause about obeying the orders of the President. It's an officer's duty to not obey an illegal order, but if you go down that route, you better be right.  And any order that comes from the President is assumed to be legal unless proven otherwise.
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Re: Top general says he would resist "illegal" nuke order from Trump
« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2017, 01:46:08 am »
A General who says he intends to disobey one of the most important direct orders a President can give needs to be fired, yesterday.  Especially when he makes this announcement on foreign soil.
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Re: Top general says he would resist "illegal" nuke order from Trump
« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2017, 10:08:44 am »
Note the "illegal" qualifier. You have no duty to follow an unlawful order I believe. Of course, liberals are jumping with delight with the headlines that a general would disobey an order from Trump, but they did this with Bush too.

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Re: Top general says he would resist "illegal" nuke order from Trump
« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2017, 02:10:00 pm »
Note the "illegal" qualifier. You have no duty to follow an unlawful order I believe. Of course, liberals are jumping with delight with the headlines that a general would disobey an order from Trump, but they did this with Bush too.

So what happens if you have an Obama General who's decided that all nuclear weapons are "illegal?"
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Re: Top general says he would resist "illegal" nuke order from Trump
« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2017, 02:19:54 pm »
The General mentions this in the interview.

I do think it is unwise for a top ranking officer making these public statements..this isn't the military I grew up in or been apart the last 42 years.

Making this statement publically will soon make him an EX General IMHO!
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Re: Top general says he would resist "illegal" nuke order from Trump
« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2017, 02:27:54 pm »
Making this statement publically will soon make him an EX General IMHO!

It should, but will it?
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Re: Top general says he would resist "illegal" nuke order from Trump
« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2017, 02:33:28 pm »
So what happens if you have an Obama General who's decided that all nuclear weapons are "illegal?"

Obviously he'd be court martialed. Hopefully we'd have sane judges in there.

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Re: Top general says he would resist "illegal" nuke order from Trump
« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2017, 02:35:08 pm »
Obviously he'd be court martialed. Hopefully we'd have sane judges in there.

Sure.  In which smouldering ruin of a city would you hold it if the refusal to order leads to a breakdown in MAD?  Yours?
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« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2017, 02:45:18 pm »
Sure.  In which smouldering ruin of a city would you hold it if the refusal to order leads to a breakdown in MAD?  Yours?

How would you compel him to give the order? obviously he'd be relieved of duty and replaced. Fact is that Generals don't have much power when it comes to the president.

Of course the next general could refuse as well.

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« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2017, 02:53:33 pm »
How would you compel him to give the order? obviously he'd be relieved of duty and replaced. Fact is that Generals don't have much power when it comes to the president.

Of course the next general could refuse as well.

I suppose you would do it the same way you make sure the guys in the silos turn their keys like they're supposed to:  Run drills to weed out the ones who would refuse their legal orders.  Sure as Hell can't wait until a live legal Presidential order gets refused.  Too much at stake.
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Re: Top general says he would resist "illegal" nuke order from Trump
« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2017, 02:58:30 pm »
I suppose you would do it the same way you make sure the guys in the silos turn their keys like they're supposed to:  Run drills to weed out the ones who would refuse their legal orders.  Sure as Hell can't wait until a live legal Presidential order gets refused.  Too much at stake.

The general would not be the one in silos turning the keys.

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Re: Top general says he would resist "illegal" nuke order from Trump
« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2017, 03:03:03 pm »
So what happens if you have an Obama General who's decided that all nuclear weapons are "illegal?"

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Re: Top general says he would resist "illegal" nuke order from Trump
« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2017, 03:05:43 pm »
A General who says he intends to disobey one of the most important direct orders a President can give needs to be fired, yesterday.  Especially when he makes this announcement on foreign soil.
He never said this.  It is fake news.

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