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SOURCE: THE FEDERALIST

URL: http://thefederalist.com/2017/11/14/roy-moore-never-conservative/

by John Daniel Davidson



On Monday, a fifth woman came forward with allegations that Roy Moore sexually assaulted her when she was 16 years old and he was a prosecutor in Etowah County, Ala. The accusations to date are both plausible and disgusting. When Moore was in his early thirties, he allegedly sought out and sexually assaulted numerous teenage girls, including a 14-year-old.

Moore has denied it, sort of, although his weird interview with Sean Hannity on Friday left the strong impression that the charges are most likely true. Yet it’s hard to understand why voters in Alabama are only just now realizing that he is unfit for office.

They should have known years ago, when his contempt for the rule of law twice got him removed from the Alabama Supreme Court. It’s worth recounting those incidents because they reveal that Moore is no conservative and has little use for the American constitutional order that conservatives hold dear. That he was embraced by a significant number of social conservatives, and still enjoys significant support among some evangelicals, is yet another sign that the conservative movement has lost its way.

Roy Moore Has a History of Contempt for The Law

Moore’s trouble with the law began shortly after he was elected chief justice of the Alabama Supreme Court in 2000 and promptly had a 5,280-pound granite monument to the Ten Commandments installed in the state judicial building’s central rotunda. The American Civil Liberties Union and other groups sued, demanding the monument be removed on the grounds that it violated the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment and was therefore unconstitutional. A federal district judge and the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals both agreed, and ordered Moore to remove the monument. He refused, and in November 2003 the Alabama Court of the Judiciary unanimously voted to remove Moore from office, a decision the Supreme Court of Alabama upheld in an April 2004 ruling.

Moore returned to the bench in 2012, winning an election to become, for the second time, chief justice of the Alabama Supreme Court. At that time, gay marriage was a going concern. When a federal district judge in Mobile struck down Alabama’s marriage laws as unconstitutional in 2015, just months before the U.S. Supreme Court was set to hear Obergefell v. Hodges, Moore declared that the federal judge’s order was not binding in Alabama. He issued a decree prohibiting probate judges in Alabama from issuing same-sex marriage licenses. Relative chaos ensued. Alabama’s attorney general at the time, Luther Strange, told probate judges to consult a lawyer about their obligations.

The Supreme Court’s opinion in Obergefell meant nothing to Moore. Six months after Obergefell, he issued an administrative ruling to lower courts that “Alabama probate judges have a ministerial duty not to issue any marriage license” contrary to existing state law. In other words, he was ordering them to defy the Supreme Court. For this, Moore was suspended for the remainder of his term by the Alabama Court of the Judiciary.

Moore’s View of the Constitution Is Anti-American

As a result of these battles, Moore became something a martyr to some social conservatives, who mistakenly believed he was standing athwart history in the name of religious freedom, or moral clarity, or something. Too many conservatives conflated Moore’s crusade against the federal judiciary with the persecution that Christian cake bakers, florists, and pro-life groups now face at the hands of progressive state governments in California and elsewhere.

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Total unmitigated BS from beginning to end!
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Other then no name hack writers for a blog, only serial killers have use three names.

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Total horseshit.  The author has no clue what Conservatism actually is beyond voting for someone with an 'R' after their name.  That this dufus also declares Moore 'unAmerican' over the charge that Moore defended Alabama law over whatever Washington DC mandates, also showcases that this idiot thinks seig-heiling Statism is somehow patriotic.
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Total horseshit.  The author has no clue what Conservatism actually is beyond voting for someone with an 'R' after their name.  That this dufus also declares Moore 'unAmerican' over the charge that Moore defended Alabama law over whatever Washington DC mandates, also showcases that this idiot thinks seig-heiling Statism is somehow patriotic.

By way of Judicial fiat, no less.

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How can you betray a dead ideology?  Conservatism is now an emotional stunted, intellectually retarded, and megalomaniacal spoiled brat.  I see no reason why pedophilia can't be part of the exclusive Bannon tent.

Drain the swamp, and refill with sewage.

Winning.

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How can you betray a dead ideology?  Conservatism is now an emotional stunted, intellectually retarded, and megalomaniacal spoiled brat.  I see no reason why pedophilia can't be part of the exclusive Bannon tent.

Drain the swamp, and refill with sewage.

Winning.

I would agree with you if only you could raise a bare scintilla of proof.
Too bad all you have is gossip mongers and politically motivated rumor.

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By way of Judicial fiat, no less.

Like another advocate of tyrannical Statism we know.

Ah well, the idea of a Constitutional Republic lasted just a tad longer than average.  With more than half the population demanding Communism or Socialism and the other half fractured in varying forms of individualism or demanding a dictatorship from DC - our fate is already sealed.

Most just refuse to recognize liberty is already gone.  They equate 'freedom' and license' to do what they please without consequences as liberty and justice for all.

A society does not last long in that condition.
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Like another advocate of tyrannical Statism we know.

Ah well, the idea of a Constitutional Republic lasted just a tad longer than average.  With more than half the population demanding Communism or Socialism and the other half fractured in varying forms of individualism or demanding a dictatorship from DC - our fate is already sealed.

Most just refuse to recognize liberty is already gone.  They equate 'freedom' and license' to do what they please without consequences as liberty and justice for all.

A society does not last long in that condition.

That's right. Justice has flown. And the people cheer.  *****rollingeyes*****

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I would agree with you if only you could raise a bare scintilla of proof.
Too bad all you have is gossip mongers and politically motivated rumor.

There could be video and Republicans will still vote against the rats.  Proudly.
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There could be video and Republicans will still vote against the rats.

Not me.
Were there any sort of evidence I would be leading the charge against Moore.

It is a matter of evidence. Not gossip mongering.

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Not me.
Were there any sort of evidence I would be leading the charge against Moore.

It is a matter of evidence. Not gossip mongering.

I'd like to know where all the 'dirt' is in the last 40 years that prove without question that Moore is a serial child molester as is being charged.

I mean, these same know-it-alls that have declared him to be so are stunningly silent about the Republican Leadership's efforts to get the judge in Menendez' criminal corruption and sex with underage prostitute scandals to exonerate him.  But a guy from their own party whom they hate (mostly due his stance on the Commandments and the bible) - they want him crucified and are happy to shout it with the mobs of media and Democrats they used to hate just a couple of weeks ago.
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I'd like to know where all the 'dirt' is in the last 40 years that prove without question that Moore is a serial child molester as is being charged.

I mean, these same know-it-alls that have declared him to be so are stunningly silent about the Republican Leadership's efforts to get the judge in Menendez' criminal corruption and sex with underage prostitute scandals to exonerate him.  But a guy from their own party whom they hate (mostly due his stance on the Commandments and the bible) - they want him crucified and are happy to shout it with the mobs of media and Democrats they used to hate just a couple of weeks ago.

It is unconscionable. Just like it was with Cruz (has anyone found his harem yet?).

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I'd like to know where all the 'dirt' is in the last 40 years that prove without question that Moore is a serial child molester as is being charged.

Strawman argument.  Any thinking person would have questions (irrational people have made up their mind that this is a McConnell conspiracy) and I have not heard anyone accused him of being a serial child molester...only a duel child molester.

I have questions about the timing and veracity of the charges.  I can only listen to them and Moore and form an opinion based on my knowledge and experience.  I have known several women who have been sexually abused.  They have too frequently refused to come forward because of their shame and sense of powerlessness.  I have also known their abusers.

the 14 year old's affidavit is credible...but the 16 year old's press conference was devastatingly familiar and I have much less doubt than I had 2 days ago.

I can't prove it happened...but I know it did. 

These women do not look like career political activists who made false claims to win a political victory.  They look like victims who finally, and reluctantly, summoned the strength to face the monster/sad pathetic POS who victimized them, his politically blinded supporters, and a powerfully callous alternative media.  A media just as corrupt, stupid, sanctimonious, and bias confirming as the MSM, but due to their late development...even less integrity.

lol's for Rush, Hannity, and Fox for supporting a child molester who is fantastic on the issues of guns, immigration, and the 10th Amendment.

 

It is never too late to repent INVAR.  You'll sleep better.

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Strawman argument.  Any thinking person would have questions (irrational people have made up their mind that this is a McConnell conspiracy) and I have not heard anyone accused him of being a serial child molester...only a duel child molester.

I have questions about the timing and veracity of the charges.  I can only listen to them and Moore and form an opinion based on my knowledge and experience.  I have known several women who have been sexually abused.  They have too frequently refused to come forward because of their shame and sense of powerlessness.  I have also known their abusers.

the 14 year old's affidavit is credible...but the 16 year old's press conference was devastatingly familiar and I have much less doubt than I had 2 days ago.

I can't prove it happened...but I know it did. 

These women do not look like career political activists who made false claims to win a political victory.  They look like victims who finally, and reluctantly, summoned the strength to face the monster/sad pathetic POS who victimized them, his politically blinded supporters, and a powerfully callous alternative media.  A media just as corrupt, stupid, sanctimonious, and bias confirming as the MSM, but due to their late development...even less integrity.

lol's for Rush, Hannity, and Fox for supporting a child molester who is fantastic on the issues of guns, immigration, and the 10th Amendment.

 

It is never too late to repent INVAR.  You'll sleep better.

I've noticed that YOU and all the rest of those here ready to crucify Roy Moore not saying a SINGLE word about this!

http://americanlookout.com/evening-news-shows-at-abc-cbs-and-nbc-have-given-zero-coverage-to-democrats-corruption-trial/
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It is never too late to repent INVAR.  You'll sleep better.

Repent for what?

Noting the fact this is a politics of personal destruction assassination so as to kill a nominee the Oligarchy said was a'bridge too far' simply because their guy was defeated?

Repent of questioning the veracity of allegations that are absolutely miraculous in their timing after Luther Strange's Campaign failed to find evidence to warrant any accusations during the primaries?

Repent of the fact I think our entire government is corrupt beyond redemption and fully capable of doing this to set the precedent of choosing our rulers for us?

You got another thing coming if you think I should repent of any of that.

It's called discernment.

Something a lot of biased folks who hate a holy roller more than a Democrat caught doing far worse sorely lack.
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I've noticed that YOU and all the rest of those here ready to crucify Roy Moore not saying a SINGLE word about this

http://americanlookout.com/evening-news-shows-at-abc-cbs-and-nbc-have-given-zero-coverage-to-democrats-corruption-trial/

Impressive defense of a pedophile...the MSN sucks...whatabout the rats.  Such wisdom.

I agree the MMS sucks and the rats are bad.  I guess that means I must embrace Republican scum.

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Other then no name hack writers for a blog, only serial killers have use three names.

That's amusing.

Actually, I think the media gives serial killers their middle name in all references to cut down on the number of people who end up sharing the same name.  I mean there are probably a fair number of John Gacy's but not so many John Wayne Gacy's.
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Impressive defense of a pedophile...the MSN sucks...whatabout the rats.  Such wisdom.

I agree the MMS sucks and the rats are bad.  I guess that means I must embrace Republican scum.

And I am equally impressed given that you don't even know what a pedophile is! 

All you DO seem to know how to do is yell "get a rope" when prompted by your establishment masters!
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Strawman argument.  Any thinking person would have questions (irrational people have made up their mind that this is a McConnell conspiracy) and I have not heard anyone accused him of being a serial child molester...only a duel child molester.

I have questions about the timing and veracity of the charges.  I can only listen to them and Moore and form an opinion based on my knowledge and experience.  I have known several women who have been sexually abused.  They have too frequently refused to come forward because of their shame and sense of powerlessness.  I have also known their abusers.

the 14 year old's affidavit is credible...but the 16 year old's press conference was devastatingly familiar and I have much less doubt than I had 2 days ago.

I can't prove it happened...but I know it did. 

These women do not look like career political activists who made false claims to win a political victory.  They look like victims who finally, and reluctantly, summoned the strength to face the monster/sad pathetic POS who victimized them, his politically blinded supporters, and a powerfully callous alternative media.  A media just as corrupt, stupid, sanctimonious, and bias confirming as the MSM, but due to their late development...even less integrity.

lol's for Rush, Hannity, and Fox for supporting a child molester who is fantastic on the issues of guns, immigration, and the 10th Amendment.

 

It is never too late to repent INVAR.  You'll sleep better.
Well coached victim performances (Gloria Allred?) seem to trump the stilted and unpolished denials of someone trying to give accurate and truthful answers about something that was supposed to have happened 40 years ago in the face of the unrehearsed prime time televised Inquisition, torches and all. 

Not like that Clinton guy who had his denials well polished from years of practice. Not like Hillary getting the softball questions and going over them days in advance. Just adversarial knuckleballs and sliders and the (inevitable) rhetorical traps, something a former deputy DA would be well wary of.
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Once-Ler wrote:
"There could be video and Republicans will still vote against the rats.  Proudly."

I would do so. Proudly.
Before I'd vote for a democrat-communist.

Take your umbrage and.... stuff it.

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The girl, from all analysis, Corfman, seemed to be at least, 16 (legal then) or 17. I feel for Judge Moore when I see an article calling him a "child molester" or other names on this page.  I think Moore may have done some wrong, it might be stalking or flirting, dating, kissing girls 19-17 but this is a far cry from rape or child molesting.

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The girl, from all analysis, Corfman, seemed to be at least, 16 (legal then) or 17. I feel for Judge Moore when I see an article calling him a "child molester" or other names on this page.  I think Moore may have done some wrong, it might be stalking or flirting, dating, kissing girls 19-17 but this is a far cry from rape or child molesting.

I beg your pardon...it looks like Moore may have molested a 16 year old.  So sorry for bring it up then. 

nevermind.

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I beg your pardon...it looks like Moore may have molested a 16 year old.  So sorry for bring it up then. 

nevermind.

Molested her in a non-existent parking lot, yet.

He's that bad.