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The Truth and Fictions of the Roy Moore Debacle
« on: November 14, 2017, 01:38:03 PM »
The Truth and Fictions of the Roy Moore Debacle

Caleb Howe
November 14, 2017

..............The consequences of a Moore win would play out across the GOP. And to what end? You may think you are preserving a particular number of votes, but that’s not so if you’re tanking other races. Every Senator will have to answer for Moore now. Already. How much worse will that be if he sits?

And how much worse are we if he sits and then even more comes out? If he turns out to be guilty as sin. What are we, then?

Ann Coulter and National Review agree on something. They want a write-in opponent for Moore. Two opposite ends of the GOP spectrum with the same notion. For my part, I’m with them both. Let’s run someone against him or in place of him. Now. Before it’s too late.

The fiction is that Roy Moore wins and all this goes away. The truth is, it’s Moore that needs to go away.

https://www.redstate.com/absentee/2017/11/14/truths-fictions-roy-moore-debacle/
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Re: The Truth and Fictions of the Roy Moore Debacle
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2017, 01:58:09 PM »
The Truth and Fictions of the Roy Moore Debacle

Caleb Howe
November 14, 2017

..............The consequences of a Moore win would play out across the GOP. And to what end? You may think you are preserving a particular number of votes, but that’s not so if you’re tanking other races. Every Senator will have to answer for Moore now. Already. How much worse will that be if he sits?

And how much worse are we if he sits and then even more comes out? If he turns out to be guilty as sin. What are we, then?

Ann Coulter and National Review agree on something. They want a write-in opponent for Moore. Two opposite ends of the GOP spectrum with the same notion. For my part, I’m with them both. Let’s run someone against him or in place of him. Now. Before it’s too late.

The fiction is that Roy Moore wins and all this goes away. The truth is, it’s Moore that needs to go away.

https://www.redstate.com/absentee/2017/11/14/truths-fictions-roy-moore-debacle/

Nice sermon. Did he preach that at church last Sunday?
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Re: The Truth and Fictions of the Roy Moore Debacle
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2017, 02:07:12 PM »
The author makes a crucial misstep and assumes that Moore stepping aside (which, as I've noted, he can't actually do) would prevent the Democrats from trying to tie the GOP to Moore. They will anyway. It's what they do.
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Re: The Truth and Fictions of the Roy Moore Debacle
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2017, 02:16:53 PM »
..............The consequences of a Moore win would play out across the GOP. And to what end? You may think you are preserving a particular number of votes, but that’s not so if you’re tanking other races. Every Senator will have to answer for Moore now. Already. How much worse will that be if he sits?

I call BS.  The Democrats don't have to answer for Bob Menendez.  They never had to answer for Ted Kennedy, Christopher Dodd, and their waitress sandwiches.  They didn't have to answer for the lies of Susan Rice or for Loretta Lynch obstructing justice.  So why are Democrats now trying to apply a standard to Republicans that they themselves don't believe in?

Maybe if they were to apply this standard to Menendez, then and only then would they have a valid point.  But they don't.  Lying hypocrites, one and all.
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Re: The Truth and Fictions of the Roy Moore Debacle
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2017, 02:20:18 PM »
The author makes a crucial misstep and assumes that Moore stepping aside (which, as I've noted, he can't actually do) would prevent the Democrats from trying to tie the GOP to Moore. They will anyway. It's what they do.

Nonsense.  If they force him out, he's neutralized as a campaign issue.
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Re: The Truth and Fictions of the Roy Moore Debacle
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2017, 02:21:18 PM »
I call BS.  The Democrats don't have to answer for Bob Menendez.  They never had to answer for Ted Kennedy, Christopher Dodd, and their waitress sandwiches.  They didn't have to answer for the lies of Susan Rice or for Loretta Lynch obstructing justice.  So why are Democrats now trying to apply a standard to Republicans that they themselves don't believe in?

Maybe if they were to apply this standard to Menendez, then and only then would they have a valid point.  But they don't.  Lying hypocrites, one and all.

If Menendez is convicted, he will have to resign. If he's not, he's cleared.
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Re: The Truth and Fictions of the Roy Moore Debacle
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2017, 05:44:45 PM »
If Menendez is convicted, he will have to resign. If he's not, he's cleared.

If Moore is convicted, he will have to resign. If he's not, he's cleared.
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Re: The Truth and Fictions of the Roy Moore Debacle
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2017, 05:51:02 PM »
The state, I don't care if it is Hawaii or California or Alabama or Delaware, there is probably limited importance in outsiders coming in and telling you what is going on...maybe we've even had that for a few years with Menendez, I've heard people say "oh that so and so" but it's really about that state and I definitely don't like some of Menendez's views on the issues.

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Re: The Truth and Fictions of the Roy Moore Debacle
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2017, 05:52:53 PM »
Analyst Says Judge Roy Moore Signature Inside Gloria Allred Accuser’s Yearbook Was FORGED

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The sevens in 1977 to the right of “Christmas,” are very different from the sevens in the date (12-22-77) above “Old Hickory House.”

“Look at the two versions of the number “7,” tweeted Wictor.

“”12-22-77” and “Olde Hickory House” were written by a different person,” he added.

Next, Wictor points out “the “R” and “y” in “Roy,”” are not written the same way.

The inflection of the “Y” is more pronounced in Moore’ signature as Chief Justice. The “R” is noticeably longer in the  signature of Chief Justice, as well.


http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/fake-analyst-says-judge-roy-moore-signature-inside-gloria-allred-accusers-yearbook-forged/]


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Re: The Truth and Fictions of the Roy Moore Debacle
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2017, 05:59:24 PM »
Analyst Says Judge Roy Moore Signature Inside Gloria Allred Accuser’s Yearbook Was FORGED

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/fake-analyst-says-judge-roy-moore-signature-inside-gloria-allred-accusers-yearbook-forged/]
Wow. The way the link reads it's as if they contend the analyst is fake. That is NOT what the article says,so I thought I'd clarify that. The article title:
IT’S A FAKE! Analyst Says Judge Roy Moore Signature Inside Gloria Allred Accuser’s Yearbook Was FORGED
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Re: The Truth and Fictions of the Roy Moore Debacle
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2017, 06:19:31 PM »
Signed in December?

Yearbooks are published at the end of the school year: summer.

Christmas is the MIDDLE of the school year.

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Re: The Truth and Fictions of the Roy Moore Debacle
« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2017, 06:37:34 PM »
Signed in December?

Yearbooks are published at the end of the school year: summer.

Christmas is the MIDDLE of the school year.
Supposedly on Dec. 22, 1977. Most schools are out for Christmas break, or were then. I know because my birthday was never celebrated at school for that reason.
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Re: The Truth and Fictions of the Roy Moore Debacle
« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2017, 07:25:31 PM »
Sinkspur clearly is in the right on this. This is not about criminal conviction...that's an issue for the courts. As a political issue, this guy is a nightmare and must go. If he wins, he's a millstone hung around every Republican's neck...that may not be fair, and it would not happen to a Dem (but you should not doubt that the MSM will make sure this happens)....if he loses, we lose the seat.

What this man has admitted to makes him unacceptable...much less the fact he faces some VERY credible allegations about dating girls as young as 14. Politically, this can't be ignored or set aside without major negative consequences for conservatives in the Senate and House.


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Re: The Truth and Fictions of the Roy Moore Debacle
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2017, 07:28:11 PM »
BREAKING: Roy Moore Farted In Church; Blames Pastor.

Details at 11.
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Re: The Truth and Fictions of the Roy Moore Debacle
« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2017, 07:28:22 PM »
Sinkspur clearly is in the right on this. This is not about criminal conviction...that's an issue for the courts. As a political issue, this guy is a nightmare and must go. If he wins, he's a millstone hung around every Republican's neck...that may not be fair, and it would not happen to a Dem (but you should not doubt that the MSM will make sure this happens)....if he loses, we lose the seat.

What this man has admitted to makes him unacceptable...much less the fact he faces some VERY credible allegations about dating girls as young as 14. Politically, this can't be ignored or set aside without major negative consequences for conservatives in the Senate and House.

Total bullcrap.

My dad sparked my mother in his late 20's she was 17 when they married. And that is in no wise uncommon in that generation.

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Re: The Truth and Fictions of the Roy Moore Debacle
« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2017, 07:47:19 PM »
Sinkspur clearly is in the right on this. This is not about criminal conviction...that's an issue for the courts. As a political issue, this guy is a nightmare and must go. If he wins, he's a millstone hung around every Republican's neck...that may not be fair, and it would not happen to a Dem (but you should not doubt that the MSM will make sure this happens)....if he loses, we lose the seat.

What this man has admitted to makes him unacceptable...much less the fact he faces some VERY credible allegations about dating girls as young as 14. Politically, this can't be ignored or set aside without major negative consequences for conservatives in the Senate and House.
Sheeeesh!

My grandfather married my grandmother when she was 16, and they remained married until his death in the '80s, and raised four fine kids.

He faces one claim by one girl under the age of consent at the time of the alleged incident. one. All else were old enough to make their decisions. "Teenager" includes people old enough to enter contracts, marry without permission from anyone, vote for Senators, and serve in the Armed Forces. At the time, it also included people old enough to drink beer and wine (just not in that county, which was dry).

The demographics of small town has been explained--Go to West Point, serve two tours in the Army, go to Law School, and then come back home (estimated 10 years minimum) and tell me how many in your age group are 'eligible'. Not much left besides rejects, retreads, and the town pump.  You look older, and the same problem as the age group, which leaves younger prospects, above the age of consent, which, in case you forgot is (and was) 16. He had the permission and blessing of parents, even. This isn't some pedo in a trench coat  hanging around the elementary school like WaPo and the rest of the liberals are trying to paint it.
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Re: The Truth and Fictions of the Roy Moore Debacle
« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2017, 08:02:43 PM »
Total bullcrap.

My dad sparked my mother in his late 20's she was 17 when they married. And that is in no wise uncommon in that generation.

Did your dad also stalk teenage girls at their local hangout?  Was your dad on a "warning list" of men skulking after young flesh?

If no, while we all rejoice in your parent's marriage it hasn't a damn thing to do with Moore's situation. 

If yes, thank the Lord your father didn't end up in jail .... or worse.


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Re: The Truth and Fictions of the Roy Moore Debacle
« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2017, 08:22:37 PM »
Did your dad also stalk teenage girls at their local hangout?  Was your dad on a "warning list" of men skulking after young flesh?


More bullcrap. There is NO evidence of stalking, and there is NO evidence of his being on any warning list. Hearsay and gossip. That's all you've got.

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Re: The Truth and Fictions of the Roy Moore Debacle
« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2017, 08:35:23 PM »
More bullcrap. There is NO evidence of stalking, and there is NO evidence of his being on any warning list. Hearsay and gossip. That's all you've got.

As I said before:
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A lot has been revealed and the usual suspects have proven their predictability yet again.
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Re: The Truth and Fictions of the Roy Moore Debacle
« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2017, 08:38:12 PM »
A lot has been revealed and the usual suspects have proven their predictability yet again.

Some of it I understand - A knee-jerk reaction to sympathize with the poor women... But there is a reason why that isn't enough. PROOF is the standard, and always should be.

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Re: The Truth and Fictions of the Roy Moore Debacle
« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2017, 08:58:11 PM »
More bullcrap. There is NO evidence of stalking, and there is NO evidence of his being on any warning list. Hearsay and gossip. .

Whatever helps you through the night @roamer_1 ...

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Re: The Truth and Fictions of the Roy Moore Debacle
« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2017, 08:58:44 PM »
A lot has been revealed and the usual suspects have proven their predictability yet again.

Are you referring to Ted Cruz?
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Re: The Truth and Fictions of the Roy Moore Debacle
« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2017, 09:24:33 PM »
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Re: The Truth and Fictions of the Roy Moore Debacle
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Re: The Truth and Fictions of the Roy Moore Debacle
« Reply #24 on: November 14, 2017, 09:39:29 PM »
No.

You.

But I agree with Ted Cruz on this @INVAR

Do you?
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