Meet Roy Moore Accuser, Beverly Young Nelson: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know

[sinkspur]

So you're falling back on the bandwagon fallacy, and transitioning to false dichotomy and the red herring double bonus score as your source of logic?

You realize you just admitted that these are nothing but rumors and salacious accustions, but we should just run with it because it's political and not legal?

Got it. Getting kind of smoky and mirrory in here.

I believe the women.  You don't.  Go with that.

[ExFreeper]

[jmyrlefuller]

I believe the women.  You don't.  Go with that.

Why do you believe them? There are plenty of reasons not to believe them. What reasons are there to assume good faith in this kind of circumstance?

[txradioguy]

I believe the women.  You don't.  Go with that.

Based on what?  Especially since we know at least one does business for the DNC.

Judge Moore has run for office plenty of times in the past...why is this just now coming out?

How is it that the WaPo just happened upon four women that didn't know each other before this story broke?

[jmyrlefuller]

Based on what?  Especially since we know at least one does business for the DNC.

Judge Moore has run for office plenty of times in the past...why is this just now coming out?

How is it that the WaPo just happened upon four women that didn't know each other before this story broke?

And how is it that in that kind of community that these four women didn't at least know of each other?

[Free Vulcan]

LOL! From your source:

So ROY MOORE, on HIS OWN FB PAGE, claims several pastors (whom he does not name) made these claims.  Talk about ridiculous!

You're really stretching here, friend.

Your rumors are no better than my rumors bud.

That's the double edged sword of the rumor game.

[roamer_1]

@INVAR

Moore had a reputation, too. 

To believe that all of these people are lying strains credulity.

I’m sorry you allow partisanship to color your objectivity.

LOL! @INVAR may be a lot of things, @CatherineofAragon , but Republican partisan is certainly not one of them, as anyone who reads him can plainly see.

[Hoodat]

Why do you believe them? There are plenty of reasons not to believe them. What reasons are there to assume good faith in this kind of circumstance?

He believes them because he wants to believe them.  He needs to believe them in order to affirm his own emotion-based opinion of the Trump/Moore boogeyman.

[roamer_1]

If believing in "innocent until proven guilty" is a bias, then it is the right one to have.

That's right. And especially so when looking at someone with an exemplary and honorable record forty years long.

[driftdiver]

That's right. And especially so when looking at someone with an exemplary and honorable record forty years long.

@roamer_1
If he was leching on young kids then his 40 yr record isn't quite so honorable nor exemplary. 

[INVAR]

If he was leching on young kids then his 40 yr record isn't quite so honorable nor exemplary.

Where is there allegation and proof that is not 40 years old?

[roamer_1]

The GOPe pumped 10 million into Strange's campaign. You can't tell me none of that went into opposition research and looking for dirt.

How is this dirt so hard to find? After all, it's a 'commonly known secret'...
Gee, I guess it takes New York City professionals to get these gap-toothed hicks to tell all....
Because gap-toothed hicks are SO noted for giving up secrets to strangers.

[driftdiver]

Where is there allegation and proof that is not 40 years old?

He's admitted to chasing high school age girls when he was in his mid 30s.   He's a predator chasing after young innocent girls who are easy to control.  Did he rape any?  Dunno we really dont have any evidence but it really doesn't matter at this point.

He has shown himself to be other then what he professed.

[txradioguy]

He's admitted to chasing high school age girls when he was in his mid 30s.   He's a predator chasing after young innocent girls who are easy to control.  Did he rape any?  Dunno we really dont have any evidence but it really doesn't matter at this point.

He has shown himself to be other then what he professed.

Link to a quote of him saying that?

[roamer_1]

Quibbling.

But his coworkers didn't know of this behavior, did they?

How can THAT be? It was an 'open secret' EVERYBODY knew. /s

[INVAR]

He's admitted to chasing high school age girls when he was in his mid 30s.   

So?

My grandfather was 28 years older than my grandmother whom he married when she was 18 and he was 46.   It was a match approved by her parents - because they wanted her to marry someone established with property and a record of trust.  Back then, it was a common practice.  But then, parents were very much involved in those decisions unlike today.

He's a predator chasing after young innocent girls who are easy to control.  Did he rape any?  Dunno we really dont have any evidence but it really doesn't matter at this point.

Proof he has done this in the last 40 years and since he got married?  You accuse him of being a 'predator'. Where is your proof - or is gossip enough to convict for you?

He has shown himself to be other then what he professed.

I'll let the voters of Alabama make that decision.

[roamer_1]

So, in Alabama, adultery is worthy of depriving a governor of his office, but sexual abuse of a child is worth elevating a candidate to the US Senate.

You know the difference?

EVIDENCE!

I'll turn on Moore too - All you need is real and incontrovertible EVIDENCE.

[SirLinksALot]

Princess Diana married Charles when she was just 20 and he was close to 34.

Question: Did they date before that? If so, why was there no outcry about a 30 something adult dating a teenager?

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1
If he was leching on young kids then his 40 yr record isn't quite so honorable nor exemplary.

Fine. PROVE IT.
Gimme a blue dress. Gimme a bastard kid. Gimme a lurid vid or audio recording.

[Free Vulcan]

Fine. PROVE IT.
Gimme a blue dress. Gimme a bastard kid. Gimme a lurid vid or audio recording.

Exactly.

No more Herman Cain hit jobs.

[Smokin Joe]

The "dirt" on Moore that they found was that TWICE he refused to follow a ruling from an Appeals Court or the Supreme Court.  In other words, he disobeyed the law.  And for that he was booted off the Alabama Supreme Court.

That alone should have been enough to vote against Moore.  But, Alabama...........

Those rulings were contrary to the Alabama Constitution. Tenth Amendment applies.


From http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2015/01/alabama_chief_justice_roy_moor_1.html

Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore has released a letter to Gov. Robert Bentley saying that he intends to continue to recognize the state's constitutional ban on same-sex marriage and urging the governor to do so.

and
from http://www.wnd.com/2015/02/judge-roy-moore-the-law-is-very-clear/

Thomas, who was joined by Justice Antonin Scalia, pointed out that the justices essentially were admitting what they would decide, even before arguments, expected in April, are heard in a pending dispute over same-sex marriage.

In that case, the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals affirmed measures in four states defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman. Other appeals courts had struck down traditional-marriage measures, setting up a conflict.

Thomas said the Monday decision “may well be seen as a signal of the court’s intended resolution.”

Moore sent a memoradum to the state’s 68 probate judges and others in the state judiciary that said they are not bound, according to federal court precedent, to follow the federal judge’s order. Moore argued the state constitution excludes same-sex duos from marriage, and Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley would be the executive who would decide if penalties should be applied to anyone who violates the state constitution.

Instead, the arguments which many here might make are to be found elsewhere, too: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/9/28/1702478/-The-un-American-Roy-Moore-is-unfit-for-office-and-not-a-single-Republican-is-speaking-up

As the buffalo said, "Let the chips fall where they may."

[Smokin Joe]

He's admitted to chasing high school age girls when he was in his mid 30s.   He's a predator chasing after young innocent girls who are easy to control.  Did he rape any?  Dunno we really dont have any evidence but it really doesn't matter at this point.

He has shown himself to be other then what he professed.

"Innocent young girls?" Juniors or Seniors in High School? Apparently you never overheard any conversations. (And my 40 year HS 'reunion' is history.)

[Smokin Joe]

Link to a quote of him saying that?

If you read what the guy said, it doesn't matter if he did something criminal. No evidence needed. Red Queen jurisprudence demands, "Off with his head!" So much for the political rabbit hole.

[Smokin Joe]

@roamer_1
If he was leching on young kids then his 40 yr record isn't quite so honorable nor exemplary.

Then there should be an avalanche of information that he was letching on young kids.

The descriptions, even of the allegations being made, are of young ladies above the age of consent, which are hardly "young kids" except from the most geriatric perspective. "Teenager" takes in an age group old enough to consent, vote, enter into contractual arrangements, and enter the military. In order for someone to be "underage" in Alabama, then AND now, they have to be younger than 16. Only one accuser passes muster on that age basis, and that would require that she be telling the truth about all else.

When the hyperbole (which you are repeating) failed to gain traction, then suddenly he's allegedly parking and groping behind the misspelled restaurant and autographing yearbooks in awkward phraseology in December with curiously differing number 7s in the dates. In Democrat parlance, that's known as "doubling down", so the whole set of allegations, which are pumped up with alleged encounters with girls past the age of consent (with parental permission, even encouragement) in which no 'bad touches' are even alleged, just don't pass muster, and especially don't rise to a call for summary judgement.

[Silver Pines]

Where is there allegation and proof that is not 40 years old?

@INVAR

Why do y'all keep demanding proof when a) you know it won't be coming and b) we aren't in court, so we don't need proof?  I sound like a parrot with that line, but it's conveniently ignored every time.

Were you waiting for proof before you believed Paula Jones and Juanita Broaddrick (sp)?