Elon Musk warns Australia on its energy supply problems

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Elon Musk warns Australia on its energy supply problems
TECH billionaire Elon Musk says Australia needs to fix this problem urgently, or risk being plunged into “the dark ages”.
James MacSmith |  News Corp Australia Network  |  OCTOBER 29, 2017  |  2:04PM
http://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/elon-musk-warns-australia-on-its-energy-supply-problems/news-story/c504c6102b70dc35a94a2c2a820dc22c

BILLIONAIRE Elon Musk can’t believe the mess Australia finds itself in with regard to its power supply problems.

In July, the Telsa boss agreed to build the world’s largest lithium ion battery in order to secure South Australia’s power supply in the wake of a statewide blackout.

But the Space X CEO had no idea of the firestorm of how to power Australia, he had walked into.

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Elon Musk can’t believe the extent of Australia’as energy problems. Picture: Channel NineSource:Supplied

The acclaimed inventor said he was also hurt by the Federal Government’s criticism of his battery plans for South Australia. Treasurer Scott Morrison, for one, compared the idea to Australia’s tourist attractions such as the Big Prawn and the Big Banana.

“We get that (criticism) all the time,” Mr Musk said. “It can be a little disheartening.”

Mr Musk was stunned when told by 60 Minutes presenter Liz Hayes about the cost of electricity in Australia and the fight to keep rising costs under control.

When Hayes said people were opting not to use electricity at all to save money, Mr Musk replied: “Wow. Really? I didn’t realise it was that expensive to go the fossil fuel route.

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“It’s a definition that if it’s not renewable, it’s going to run out at some point.

“And we will have the choice of the collapse of civilisation and into the dark ages we go or we find something renewable.”

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Under the July agreement between Mr Musk and the SA State Government, if the battery is not delivered by Tesla within 100 days of the grid interconnection agreement being signed, it will be free.

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[IsailedawayfromFR]

If I was Australia, I would go in the exact opposite direction than Musk.

This quote alone is ridiculous.

“It’s a definition that if it’s not renewable, it’s going to run out at some point."

I wonder if he could name a single fuel that will never run out?

Idiot

[Joe Wooten]

If I was Australia, I would go in the exact opposite direction than Musk.

This quote alone is ridiculous.

“It’s a definition that if it’s not renewable, it’s going to run out at some point."

I wonder if he could name a single fuel that will never run out?

Idiot

No, not an idiot. He's trying to keep the subsidy spigot wide open to keep his solar companies afloat.

[Oceander]

The credulity of leftists never seems to run out.  Any chance of harnessing that as an energy source?

[IsailedawayfromFR]

The credulity of leftists never seems to run out.  Any chance of harnessing that as an energy source?

only would try it if it were eventually depleted.

[DB]

Electricity in California is about the same cost as Australia... Musk is one of the drivers of that with his crony capitalism with government... Makes him rich while lowering nearly everyone else's standard of living.

[Oceander]

only would try it if it were eventually depleted.

That's the thing:  it never runs out.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Electricity in California is about the same cost as Australia... Musk is one of the drivers of that with his crony capitalism with government... Makes him rich while lowering nearly everyone else's standard of living.

Most of Australia is the highest in the world.   California averages only 15.3 cents/kwhr or somewhere between 1/2 to 1/3 of Australia. https://www.electricitylocal.com/states/california/


http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,281639.msg1455159.html#msg1455159

[IsailedawayfromFR]

That's the thing:  it never runs out.

So the answer is No.

[DB]

Most of Australia is the highest in the world.   California averages only 15.3 cents/kwhr or somewhere between 1/2 to 1/3 of Australia. https://www.electricitylocal.com/states/california/


http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,281639.msg1455159.html#msg1455159

Incorrect. That's California pricing from years ago.

https://www.pge.com/en_US/residential/rate-plans/rate-plan-options/tiered-base-plan/tiered-base-plan.page

Standard residential rates here start at $0.20 a kwh and go up to $0.41 a kwh depending on your usage. I was in the top tier in about 6 days each month paying $0.41 for the rest of the month. The tiers are fixed regardless of how many people live in your house. I have 6 adults under this roof right now and I work at home so I'm here all day with numerous computers and other equipment running.

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Electricity in California is about the same cost as Australia...

[thackney]

Most of Australia is the highest in the world.   California averages only 15.3 cents/kwhr or somewhere between 1/2 to 1/3 of Australia. https://www.electricitylocal.com/states/california/

While California isn't in Australia's league, their current average price for residential electric power is just over 19¢/kwh.

https://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/epm_table_grapher.php?t=epmt_5_06_a

If you check the references at your link, you will see it is using 2012 data from EIA.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

While California isn't in Australia's league, their current average price for residential electric power is just over 19¢/kwh.

https://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/epm_table_grapher.php?t=epmt_5_06_a

If you check the references at your link, you will see it is using 2012 data from EIA.

Thanks. that's still a long way from what another poster said he pays. 

[Oceander]

So the answer is No.

If it could be harnessed and used as an energy source, it would be the holy grail.

[DB]

Thanks. that's still a long way from what another poster said he pays.

@IsailedawayfromFR @thackney

California raised rates substantially in March of this year. I provided you the PG&E rates as they currently stand https://www.pge.com/en_US/residential/rate-plans/rate-plan-options/tiered-base-plan/tiered-base-plan.page. The "baseline" rate is $0.20 a kwh and rapidly goes up to $0.41 a kwh based on usage. The bulk of my electric bill was charged at $0.41 a kwh. I've moved to a "time of day" in attempt to lower my costs.

[thackney]

@IsailedawayfromFR @thackney

California raised rates substantially in March of this year. I provided you the PG&E rates as they currently stand https://www.pge.com/en_US/residential/rate-plans/rate-plan-options/tiered-base-plan/tiered-base-plan.page. The "baseline" rate is $0.20 a kwh and rapidly goes up to $0.41 a kwh based on usage. The bulk of my electric bill was charged at $0.41 a kwh. I've moved to a "time of day" in attempt to lower my costs.

Thanks for the link