Trump opens door to welfare reform

[mystery-ak]

 By S.A. Miller - The Washington Times - Monday, October 16, 2017

President Trump said Monday that he’s eyeing another major government reform — this time tackling welfare.

He said some recipients are taking advantage of public assistance while others in need don’t get it.

“We are looking very, very strongly therefore at welfare reform,” Mr. Trump told reporters at the start of a Cabinet meeting at the White House.

The mention of welfare reform was unexpected. He rarely mentioned the topic during the campaign and has been consumed with other ambitious plans since taking office.

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[libertybele]

...hmm...build that wall Mr. President so that we don't have anymore illegals collecting welfare and don't give any welfare benefits to those who are already here illegally.  That would be an excellent way to begin reforming welfare! 

[Right_in_Virginia]

...hmm...build that wall Mr. President so that we don't have anymore illegals collecting welfare and don't give any welfare benefits to those who are already here illegally.  That would be an excellent way to begin reforming welfare!

Agree ... and there's plenty of fraud and abuse from citizens, too.  Taking a look at this is worth the effort.

[Right_in_Virginia]

@libertybele

Border wall prototypes mostly up after third week
San Diego Union Tribune, Oct 16, 2017

At the end of the third week of construction of prototypes for President Trump’s “big beautiful wall” at a construction site on the border on Otay Mesa, five of eight planned entries appear to be done, two more under way, and one not started yet.One entry is see through, where agents can see what is on the other side.  Two are topped with features that would prevent someone from climbing over even if they made it to the top.  All incorporate some kind of anti-tunneling feature that was spelled out in the contract.




More photos at the link:  http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/visuals/photography/sd-pg-border-wall-prototypes-third-week-20171013-photogallery.html

[libertybele]

Agree ... and there's plenty of fraud and abuse from citizens, too.  Taking a look at this is worth the effort.

Yes there is fraud and abuse from citizens; but the bulk of wasteful welfare money goes to illegals.  The estimates are absolutely staggering; we are talking multi-billions:

https://fairus.org/issue/publications-resources/fiscal-burden-illegal-immigration-united-states-taxpayers

http://www.heritage.org/immigration/report/the-fiscal-cost-unlawful-immigrants-and-amnesty-the-us-taxpayer

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/how-undocumented-immigrants-sometimes-receive-medicaid-treatment/

[libertybele]

@libertybele

Thanks for the pic. IMHO, what a beautiful site.  This should have been done after the 'fence' was approved in 2006!  11 darn years and perhaps we'll finally get the wall that has been needed for a very, very long time!!

[KingsX]

Why stop at tax reform which mainly benefits the rich...
might as well go whole hog with class warfare.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Thanks for the pic. IMHO, what a beautiful site.  This should have been done after the 'fence' was approved in 2006!  11 darn years and perhaps we'll finally get the wall that has been needed for a very, very long time!!

Me, too!

BTW ... there are about 8 more photos at the link provided.

@libertybele

[DiogenesLamp]

Why stop at tax reform which mainly benefits the rich...
might as well go whole hog with class warfare.

You do seem to do a lot of socialist talking points in your commentary. 

[KingsX]

You do seem to do a lot of socialist talking points in your commentary.

When it comes to taxes and welfare,  I favor the status quo.

The GOP is the one overtly initiating class warfare which is a Communist revolutionary tactic.

[DiogenesLamp]

When it comes to taxes and welfare,  I favor the status quo.

Why?   Taxes are too high,  and there are too many people on welfare.   Welfare is a perverse incentive system that heavily contributes to what is wrong with this nation.   Welfare is virtually a criminal creation program. 

The GOP is the one overtly initiating class warfare which is a Communist revolutionary tactic.

In what way is the GOP initiating class warfare?   I'm not understanding your claim here.

[corbe]

   Not discounting the fact that the top 10% of wage earners pay 90% of the taxes in this Country (or something like that) but no one really knows what's in this current Tax Reform bill and it may well indeed include more loopholes for this group (Wall Street and Real Estate Developers) and saddle the Middle Class with more of the burden than we already experience to pay for it. 
   IMHO, the whole system needs to be dismantled for the proposed Fair Tax or something on that order, screw this nibbling around the edges like what was proposed for the ACA Repeal.
   Just saying it's possible @KingsX may have a point, most just don't know yet and her being a TAX nut maybe she has some insight lost on me for one?

[Mesaclone]

When it comes to taxes and welfare,  I favor the status quo.

The GOP is the one overtly initiating class warfare which is a Communist revolutionary tactic.

How very...liberal...of you.

The Left has been waging class warfare since the 60's, how dare you accuse the GOP simply because they are FINALLY fighting back against ridiculous and tired meme of "rich Republicans hate the poor". Our business taxes are the highest in the Western world, and our personal taxes are so skewed that nearly half the populace pays NOTHING. Why would anyone defend that kind of a status quo?

[KingsX]

In what way is the GOP initiating class warfare?   I'm not understanding your claim here.

The GOP has initiated class warfare by proposing tax cuts that overwhelmingly benefit the rich.

And the GOP is looking for extra money to fund it [it wasn't enough to eliminate extra standard deductions and personal exemptions that mainly benefit the lower and middle classes.]

If the GOP also proposes a cut in welfare for the old, poor and disabled [which I assume is what their idea of "welfare reform" is all about] then that amounts to telling the unwashed masses to  "eat cake."

[XenaLee]

The GOP has initiated class warfare by proposing tax cuts that overwhelmingly benefit the rich.

And the GOP is looking for extra money to fund it [it wasn't enough to eliminate extra standard deductions and personal exemptions that mainly benefit the lower and middle classes.]

If the GOP also proposes a cut in welfare for the old, poor and disabled [which I assume is what their idea of "welfare reform" is all about] then that amounts to telling the unwashed masses to  "eat cake."

That's one of your problems, right there.  Never assume.

If the GOP just reinstalls the work-requirements that were legally passed by Congress that Obama by fiat/Executive Order took away, that will be a major plus going forward.   Able-bodied folks should not be allowed to just sit (lay) back and get subsidized by the American taxpayer for their entire lives without ever having to lift a finger.  It's downright un-American.   

[DiogenesLamp]

The GOP has initiated class warfare by proposing tax cuts that overwhelmingly benefit the rich.

Isn't this a little like Willie Sutton's observation "Because that's where the money is"?   


How are you gonna cut taxes on the poor?   

And the GOP is looking for extra money to fund it [it wasn't enough to eliminate extra standard deductions and personal exemptions that mainly benefit the lower and middle classes.]

If the GOP also proposes a cut in welfare for the old, poor and disabled [which I assume is what their idea of "welfare reform" is all about] then that amounts to telling the unwashed masses to  "eat cake."

I think you are pretty quick to judge it as bad before we know exactly what they are going to do.   I will at least give them the benefit of the doubt until after i've seen what they are proposing.   


Also,  this is a pretty thin nail on which to hang the "GOP is engaging in class warfare!"   claim. 

[txradioguy]

The GOP is the one overtly initiating class warfare which is a Communist revolutionary tactic.

Really?  Which political party constantly harps on the "1%"  Which political party was fully behind the Occupy Wall Street movement?

Hint: It's the same ones that brought us unchecked immigration for the last 50 years...affirmative action and "The Great Society".

[KingsX]

 Why would anyone defend that kind of a status quo?

I said I favor the status quo.  That means I favor doing nothing as opposed to the GOP's overt first shot at class warfare by proposing "tax reform" that hugely benefits the rich while hurting many with low and middle incomes who will be paying MORE taxes.

Rich oligarch "talking points" I've previously read on this forum really do make me think of French aristocracy who cared not that the people "had no bread" and told them to "eat cake."  I'm sure you've all heard about the horrific French Revolution that followed.

The irony is... Trump is fostering it... maybe you should ask yourself why.

[txradioguy]

I said I favor the status quo.  That means I favor doing nothing as opposed to the GOP's overt first shot at class warfare by proposing "tax reform" that hugely benefits the rich while hurting many with low and middle incomes who will be paying MORE taxes.

Rich oligarch "talking points" I've previously read on this forum really do make me think of French aristocracy who cared not that the people "had no bread" and told them to "eat cake."  I'm sure you've all heard about the horrific French Revolution that followed.

The irony is... Trump is fostering it... maybe you should ask yourself why.

What about the 47% that...thanks to the Democrats...pay very little to no taxes at all?

You do realize that that evil 1& pays the freight when it comes to takes in this country don't you?

Why are you against anyone keeping more of what they earned?  It makes no sense to take more money away from people who have worked very hard to get it.

[txradioguy]

I said I favor the status quo.  That means I favor doing nothing as opposed to the GOP's overt first shot at class warfare by proposing "tax reform" that hugely benefits the rich while hurting many with low and middle incomes who will be paying MORE taxes.

Rich oligarch "talking points" I've previously read on this forum really do make me think of French aristocracy who cared not that the people "had no bread" and told them to "eat cake."  I'm sure you've all heard about the horrific French Revolution that followed.

The irony is... Trump is fostering it... maybe you should ask yourself why.

[libertybele]

Really?  Which political party constantly harps on the "1%"  Which political party was fully behind the Occupy Wall Street movement?

Hint: It's the same ones that brought us unchecked immigration for the last 50 years...affirmative action and "The Great Society".

  

[KingsX]

Would you attack a doctor who tells you to quit smoking ?

Would you attack a friend who tells you to slow down you're driving too fast ?

Yet I am attacked here again and again for telling you the GOP's proposed tax cuts for the rich has initiated class warfare and there will be fallout.

I understand you don't want to hear it.

As the Bible says... " A prudent man foresees danger and takes precautions.
The simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences."

[txradioguy]

Yet I am attacked here again and again for telling you the GOP's proposed tax cuts for the rich has initiated class warfare and there will be fallout.

Because you're attacking the people that are against class warfare...not the ones that support it.

I understand you don't want to hear it.

And you don't want to hear that you've got it all backwards. 

You keep getting "attacked" because you keep beating the same one note drum without any factual evidence to back up what you're saying.

I keep asking simple questions...presenting you with easy to understand pie charts and percentages...and you ignore them.

As the Bible says... " A prudent man foresees danger and takes precautions.
The simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences."

How about this one for you..."Physician heal thyself."


Do you want an intelligent and healthy debate on the issue or do you just want to attack anyone who favors tax cuts for the people that pay the most in taxes?

[DiogenesLamp]

What about the 47% that...thanks to the Democrats...pay very little to no taxes at all?

You do realize that that evil 1& pays the freight when it comes to takes in this country don't you?

Okay,  i'm gonna have to put on my socialist hat for this one.    That 1% doesn't do anything remotely worth the amount of money that passes through their hands.   They are lords who mostly collect rent.   

The people carrying the freight are actually the middle class,   because they are the people who do real things that are of worth and have value.   

Why are you against anyone keeping more of what they earned?  It makes no sense to take more money away from people who have worked very hard to get it.

Yeah,   but most of them aren't part of the upper 1%,  or even the upper 10%.   Most of those people in that class of income don't work hard at all.   

[InHeavenThereIsNoBeer]

Okay,  i'm gonna have to put on my socialist hat for this one.    That 1% doesn't do anything remotely worth the amount of money that passes through their hands.   They are lords who mostly collect rent.   

The people carrying the freight are actually the middle class,   because they are the people who do real things that are of worth and have value.   





Yeah,   but most of them aren't part of the upper 1%,  or even the upper 10%.   Most of those people in that class of income don't work hard at all.

I can't remember the numbers, but most of them did not inherit their money, they earned it.