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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #500 on: October 18, 2017, 03:39:06 pm »
Says a true believer.....   :shrug:


A true believer in real change.   I am a Cruz supporter who reluctantly went over to Trump because it was the best way to oppose Hitlery. 


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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #501 on: October 18, 2017, 03:47:01 pm »
Overall I agree with you about Donald Trump. I think history will be kinder to Pres. Trump than the folks here on this board.

I just wish however Trump would replace Sessions with a seasoned, pit bull prosecutor. Sessions has spent too many years “working” as a legislator. But let’s face it, there isn’t much work involved in a senator’s job. We need a younger, tougher, hungrier AG during these troubled times.

There will be dynamic change in the Trump administration over the next seven years. Probably Trump was a bit too loyal to those who helped him win the presidency, and that's understandable. But Trump has shown that he has no problem whatsoever firing them if they can't do the job properly.

I don't disagree with ya about Sessions. I like Sessions but you're right, an AG as you described would be better. We'll see what happens, but unless Sessions really messes up something, i think he's likely to stay at that job for a number of years.

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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #502 on: October 18, 2017, 03:52:10 pm »
It was hyperbole to make a point. Something Trump does all the time.

Grow a sense of humor - it will help you to understand and like Trump.

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« Reply #503 on: October 18, 2017, 04:04:45 pm »
I actually think @DCPatriot was sticking up for you.

But in your zeal to crap on every rug in the place you missed that salient point.

   

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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #504 on: October 18, 2017, 04:15:47 pm »

I think you are misreading our perception of this.   The fact that "our" side could  vote over and over again to repeal Obamacare back when they knew Obama would veto the legislation,  all to refuse to cast the very same vote they had already cast when they have a President that will sign it,  has nothing to do with the difficulties of "governing". 

It has everything to do with the reality of governing.  Backbenchers can pretend to rip up the ACA without facing the consequences.   Those tasked with governing have to contend with the millions who have been helped by it,  and the constituency created by a runaway entitlement program.     


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There are those among us that believe the Republican support for Obamacare is due to the belief that it benefits so many big businesses who can transfer all their current responsibilities for insuring their people over to the government.   In other words,  it helps the profit margin of many corporations. 

You have no idea what you're talking about.   Big business would just as soon have single payer.  The ACA doesn't lower their costs, it raises them, and taxes them if they decide to not cover their employees.   With single payer, health insurance is paid for by taxpayers, not big business - they'd be able to compete more effectively on the world stage.   

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So far as the millions who were "helped" by Obamacare,   it isn't their F***ing money,  and they have no right to be helped by the government at the rest of our expense.

We should not be compromising with people who benefit from what is essentially thievery or slavery,  depending on how you view the people who are forced to pay the bills.


That horse is out of the barn.   The time for spitting on the working poor was before the ACA was enacted.   Now the ACA has a constituency - unwinding it requires some compromises,  and, hopefully,  incremental progress toward conservative policy goals.

Thanks to you and yours for saving ObamaCare!  Can you deal with reality, sir?  Here it is - the time for conservatives to have the upper hand has come and gone.   Next up is a bipartisan bailout bill - you can read about it this morning's paper - check it out and see whether you think it advances conservative priorities better than the bills you bitterly opposed because they weren't "root and branch" repeal.     
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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #505 on: October 18, 2017, 04:19:04 pm »
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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #506 on: October 18, 2017, 04:24:50 pm »
What a sweet ray of sunshine this morning....

Yeah, the sick looking cat on your avatar is sunshine personified.     :seeya:
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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #507 on: October 18, 2017, 04:34:32 pm »
But we've always found a way out of it and America eventually winds up stronger than before.

Having thrown out our core foundations as a people and a culture, only ruin lies ahead of us.  The further this culture gets away from God and the Bible as a society, the further into tyranny we will go.  Liberty as intended for us, is a construct of biblical morality and more secular and hedonist we go - the greater despotism we will suffer.   If you read the Founders - you would find a commonality in their warnings about keeping a republic: if this people will not be governed by God, they will be ruled by the tyranny of men.  We are already comfortable with that, and more than half the population sees government as their god.

We are not going to become 'stronger than before' having discarded our only sure foundation for liberty's existence.  Not unless you want to throw empire and rulers by force as a measure of greatness.

The basic flaw in some of your remarks, is that you seem to think that political discourse is unhealthy.

Where do you come up with this shit?  Where did I say anything about political discourse being healthy?  I'm simply telling you that your party is dead is to me and as corrupt and Statist as the Democrat Party.  How is that declaring political discourse unhealthy?

Look pal, it was the TRUMP fanatics who threatened us with hanging or firing squad for treason simply because of our refusal to vote for Trump or our criticisms of him - so if you want to tackle the subject of unhealthy political discourse - you can start there. 


My view is let's work within the Republican Party as best we can, and that way we can accomplish things.

Knock yourself out.  I'm done practicing insanity and want nothing to do with your party or anyone running in it.

We accomplish nothing by dividing our party into two parties, except taking us a step closer to the book 1984 about a far leftist society.

Your party is already corrupted, compromised and taken over by statists who rewrote the rules at the last two conventions to prevent any possible change in the Leftist-Compromise direction of your party.  The Republican Party is already the party of Big Brother. 

You simply refuse to see it.
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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #508 on: October 18, 2017, 04:37:23 pm »
It has everything to do with the reality of governing.  Backbenchers can pretend to rip up the ACA without facing the consequences.   Those tasked with governing have to contend with the millions who have been helped by it,  and the constituency created by a runaway entitlement program.     


You would think rational people could recognize that entitlement programs are unsustainable and will eventually result in our collapse,  and therefore bite the bullet and do the hard thing which they pretended to do when they knew they would suffer no consequences for it. 





So what?  Would you rather have single payer and the evil insurance companies out of it completely?   What's wrong with insurance companies - they provide a service many of us need and earn a profit.  You call yourself a conservative?   



I know you can't read everything I write,  (more's the pity)  so you can't know that I oppose insurance,  and especially medical insurance on a philosophical basis.    I want insurance out of health care period.  I perceive "insurance"  (health insurance is not really insurance)  as a major cause of much of the problems with health care costs and the health industry in general.   

To overly simplify my point,  "insurance"  has created artificial market conditions (people other than the recipients paying the bills)  that have greatly inflated the costs of health care.   


Now you may say it is unrealistic to go there from what we have now,  but I say that nevertheless it should be our goal to separate health care from "insurance",  and we shouldn't be doing anything which reinforces the connection between the two. 




   








That horse is out of the barn. 



Do you know what is the proper solution to having the horse out of the barn?   Putting the horse back in the barn!    Burning down the barn because the horse left is just dumb.   




The time for spitting on the working poor was before the ACA was enacted.   Now the ACA has a constituency - unwinding it requires some compromises,  and, hopefully,  incremental progress toward conservative policy goals.


Yes it now has an entitlement constituency,  but if we don't engage in this entitlement fight now,  over this,  then when?  and over what?   


 Wreck the constituency by removing the subsidies, as Trump has done.   Make a bigger constituency against it,  as Trump is trying to do by removing the subsidies. 









Thanks to you and yours for saving ObamaCare! 


It is the squishes that saved Obamacare by mitigating it's damage by granting exceptions and spreading it out over a longer period of time.  Strategic thinkers would have demanded it be implemented immediately with no exceptions and with all the horrible crushing costs that it will eventually implement.   


General Grant understood this over a century ago. 


" I know no method to secure the repeal of bad or obnoxious laws so effective as their stringent execution."



Can you deal with reality, sir? 

Can you?  The numbers don't work,  and will never work.   We have to acknowledge the reality of the "cold equations."   

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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #509 on: October 18, 2017, 04:40:59 pm »

You would think rational people could recognize that entitlement programs are unsustainable and will eventually result in our collapse,  and therefore bite the bullet and do the hard thing which they pretended to do when they knew they would suffer no consequences for it.

That's what the GOP tried to do, by replacing an entitlement program with block grants to the states.  It was defeated by conservative opposition who didn't think it went far enough.

Now we're past conservative-driven solutions.   The centrists will craft the inevitable ACA bailout.       





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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #510 on: October 18, 2017, 04:41:33 pm »
I mentioned the "memo" - political discourse

Sorry, but you're living in a fantasy land...I prefer reality.

I strongly believe in all the Tea Party ideas. However, if there had been an "official" Tea Party split from the Republican Party, we'd be saying President Hillary Clinton right now.

For those who think there is no difference between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, you really need to better understand the Democratic Party, and smell the socialism.

But to each his own, you keep on dreaming about things that will never happen. I'll stay in the Republican Party and work to get things done.
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The thing we have been dreaming about that will never happen is the GOP honor its promises made in the heat of electoral coitus.

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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #511 on: October 18, 2017, 04:50:45 pm »
You would think rational people could recognize that entitlement programs are unsustainable and will eventually result in our collapse, 

They don't care, as long as they get theirs.  They are perfectly happy with letting our children and grandchildren have to wade through the economic ruins of a wasteland both parties and their supporters have enabled and accelerated.

I want insurance out of health care period.  I perceive "insurance"  (health insurance is not really insurance)  as a major cause of much of the problems with health care costs and the health industry in general.

I hold the exact same view in regards to Withholding.

That too is the major cause of much of the problems with government spending us into trillions of $$ into unrecoverable debt.

If the American people had to write a check to the IRS each year, I would think D.C. would be a smoking ruin about now and most of us would enjoy a whole lot more liberty.
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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #512 on: October 18, 2017, 04:57:17 pm »
   

LOL!....it's too hard to tell the 'good guys' from the 'bad guys' these days.

@DCPatriot you and I may be diametrically opposed when it comes to Trump...but I can tell when you're in agreement with someone. LOL!

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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #513 on: October 18, 2017, 05:00:48 pm »
Having thrown out our core foundations as a people and a culture, only ruin lies ahead of us.  The further this culture gets away from God and the Bible as a society, the further into tyranny we will go.  Liberty as intended for us, is a construct of biblical morality and more secular and hedonist we go - the greater despotism we will suffer.   If you read the Founders - you would find a commonality in their warnings about keeping a republic: if this people will not be governed by God, they will be ruled by the tyranny of men.  We are already comfortable with that, and more than half the population sees government as their god.

We are not going to become 'stronger than before' having discarded our only sure foundation for liberty's existence.  Not unless you want to throw empire and rulers by force as a measure of greatness.

Where do you come up with this shit?  Where did I say anything about political discourse being healthy?  I'm simply telling you that your party is dead is to me and as corrupt and Statist as the Democrat Party.  How is that declaring political discourse unhealthy?

Look pal, it was the TRUMP fanatics who threatened us with hanging or firing squad for treason simply because of our refusal to vote for Trump or our criticisms of him - so if you want to tackle the subject of unhealthy political discourse - you can start there. 

Knock yourself out.  I'm done practicing insanity and want nothing to do with your party or anyone running in it.

Your party is already corrupted, compromised and taken over by statists who rewrote the rules at the last two conventions to prevent any possible change in the Leftist-Compromise direction of your party.  The Republican Party is already the party of Big Brother. 

You simply refuse to see it.



<<< Look pal, it was the TRUMP fanatics who threatened us with hanging or firing squad for treason simply because of our refusal to vote for Trump or our criticisms of him - so if you want to tackle the subject of unhealthy political discourse - you can start there. >>>

Ronald Reagan, you may recall him, his pic is at the top of this fine forum stated, "Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican."

For the "TRUMP fanatics" as you say it...it was a call for Republicans to come together to defeat Hillary Clinton.

Political discourse is healthy, and Donald Trump winning proved that...but there comes a time when enough is enough...particularly on election day. I like the way some Cruz supporters on here stated that they voted for Donald Trump. That was the smart thing, and the necessary thing to do. Crooked Hillary in the White House needed not to happen.

More on Reagan's quote - Pasted from Wiki:

While popularized by Reagan, "The Eleventh Commandment" was created by California Republican Party Chairman Gaylord Parkinson. In his 1990 autobiography An American Life, Reagan attributed the rule to Parkinson, explained its origin, and claimed to have followed it:[3]

The personal attacks against me during the primary finally became so heavy that the state Republican chairman, Gaylord Parkinson, postulated what he called the Eleventh Commandment: Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican. It's a rule I followed during that campaign and have ever since.

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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #514 on: October 18, 2017, 05:08:06 pm »


<<< Look pal, it was the TRUMP fanatics who threatened us with hanging or firing squad for treason simply because of our refusal to vote for Trump or our criticisms of him - so if you want to tackle the subject of unhealthy political discourse - you can start there. >>>

Ronald Reagan, you may recall him, his pic is at the top of this fine forum stated, "Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican."

For the "TRUMP fanatics" as you say it...it was a call for Republicans to come together to defeat Hillary Clinton.

Political discourse is healthy, and Donald Trump winning proved that...but there comes a time when enough is enough...particularly on election day. I like the way some Cruz supporters on here stated that they voted for Donald Trump. That was the smart thing, and the necessary thing to do. Crooked Hillary in the White House needed not to happen.

More on Reagan's quote - Pasted from Wiki:

While popularized by Reagan, "The Eleventh Commandment" was created by California Republican Party Chairman Gaylord Parkinson. In his 1990 autobiography An American Life, Reagan attributed the rule to Parkinson, explained its origin, and claimed to have followed it:[3]

The personal attacks against me during the primary finally became so heavy that the state Republican chairman, Gaylord Parkinson, postulated what he called the Eleventh Commandment: Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican. It's a rule I followed during that campaign and have ever since.

It's sad that Trump himself pissesd on that "11th Commandment" from the moment he announced he was running...as did the blind followers who went out and engaged in a scorched earth policy against anyone who didn't fall in line and march in lockstep to the Ttrump dogma.
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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #515 on: October 18, 2017, 05:17:36 pm »

Ronald Reagan, you may recall him, his pic is at the top of this fine forum stated, "Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican."

Your party is no longer the party that Reagan represented.  It is not even a shadow of that party.

And you should know, I will do more than speak ill of your party.  I am going to live up to being 'the enemy' your compatriots declared me to be for daring to criticize your prince and refusing to vote for the one decreed to be our political savior.   

I'm working to get as many Conservatives to dump your failed party and get them into something new.

For the "TRUMP fanatics" as you say it...it was a call for Republicans to come together to defeat Hillary Clinton.

I do not vote for liberals or lifelong liberal Democrats masquerading as Conservatives in any party EVER.  It made not a whit's worth of difference to me whether Clinton or Trump sat on the throne.  I saw them as one and the same.

Political discourse is healthy, and Donald Trump winning proved that...

Oh yes.  His Twitter rants are paragons of virtue for healthy 'political discourse'.    What an ultra maroon!

but there comes a time when enough is enough...particularly on election day.

Well, the shaming and death threats from your fellows that I vote the way you demanded was ignored by my person and family.  Perhaps next time you will want to put guns to our heads and make sure we vote the way you demand?


While popularized by Reagan, "The Eleventh Commandment"  ...Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican. It's a rule I followed during that campaign and have ever since.

That Commandment was nullified in total in my estimation when Mitch McConnell looked at us at the Fancy Farm picnic, told us Tea Party Conservatives supporting Bevin to shut up, sit down or get Punched in the nose".  The amount of vitriol your party leadership spewed upon Conservatives in the Republican Party showcased that the 11th Commandment was rescinded by the Establishment and only applies to the grassroots towards the rulers of the party.  Trump himself has shown us that this "commandment" no longer applies.

So pound sand pal.  I plan on speaking ill of your party and it's leaders.  Your party is just another arm of the Statist Democrats.

And my mission is to help as many people take off their blinders to see it as such and get them into something new.
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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #516 on: October 18, 2017, 05:23:43 pm »
Yeah, the sick looking cat on your avatar is sunshine personified.     :seeya:

Yes, I agree.  I was looking for a Halloween cat for my Avatar, and that one I found is doubleplus ungood.  I'll choose another one soon...There is such a thing as TOO revolting, I found out.
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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #517 on: October 18, 2017, 05:39:46 pm »
That's what the GOP tried to do, by replacing an entitlement program with block grants to the states.  It was defeated by conservative opposition who didn't think it went far enough.

Now we're past conservative-driven solutions.   The centrists will craft the inevitable ACA bailout.       


Or,  Trump's actions will increase pressure on the populace,  and pretty soon Senators who were opposed to the idea of repeal will find the moral courage (just kidding,  they will sh*t a brick because the public has become furious about Obamacare)  to repeal the thing.   

Trump has stuck a screwdriver into an arterial vein of Obamacare.   It will bleed out,  and then people will want to toss out the corpse. 

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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #518 on: October 18, 2017, 05:42:36 pm »
They don't care, as long as they get theirs.  They are perfectly happy with letting our children and grandchildren have to wade through the economic ruins of a wasteland both parties and their supporters have enabled and accelerated.


I have come to believe that this is indeed the case.   I used to think Democrats and big spending government types were just stupid.   Now I see them as intelligent enough to understand what will be the consequences of their actions,   but lacking in sufficient morality to care. 









I hold the exact same view in regards to Withholding.

That too is the major cause of much of the problems with government spending us into trillions of $$ into unrecoverable debt.

If the American people had to write a check to the IRS each year, I would think D.C. would be a smoking ruin about now and most of us would enjoy a whole lot more liberty.


Have long said this needs to be done.    Also "Tax Day"  needs to be moved to Election day. 

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« Reply #519 on: October 18, 2017, 05:53:07 pm »
@DCPatriot you and I may be diametrically opposed when it comes to Trump...but I can tell when you're in agreement with someone. LOL!

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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #520 on: October 18, 2017, 05:54:13 pm »
Also "Tax Day"  needs to be moved to Election day.

The day before will suffice NICELY.
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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #521 on: October 18, 2017, 06:00:10 pm »
The day before will suffice NICELY.
Actually, any time in the week before would likely do the trick.
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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #522 on: October 18, 2017, 06:05:08 pm »

A true believer in real change.   I am a Cruz supporter who reluctantly went over to Trump because it was the best way to oppose Hitlery.

And somewhere along the line, you have become a Crusader for a populist personality, and not conservatism.


Not saying you don't have the right to be one, just noticing that you are one.   :patriot:
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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #523 on: October 18, 2017, 06:16:10 pm »
And somewhere along the line, you have become a Crusader for a populist personality, and not conservatism.

Really ... so populism can't be conservative?   Fascinating. 


         

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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #524 on: October 18, 2017, 06:16:40 pm »
Really ... so populism can't be conservative?   Fascinating. 


         

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