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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #200 on: October 16, 2017, 09:36:06 pm »
Sure I did.

Explain to me your affinity for Hillary Clinton.  I'm interested.

Because, that was our choice.  It wasn't Gary Johnson or Evan McMullan or Jill Stein or any of the other self-serving wannabes.

It was Trump or Clinton.  Reality.  Trump won.  Would you have wished a different outcome?

Trump has nominated and seated Gorsuch.  He opened up the Keystone and Dakota pipelines.  He's reinvigorated our vital coal industry.  He crap-canned the onerous Paris accord.  And any thoughts NAFTA, the PPP, the Iran deal and other Obama-era giveaways would stand.

He is hated by the media. He's hated by Hollywood. He's hated by the people like Krauthammer, Kristol, Rubin, Goldberg etc. who have become rich by their opposition to a Democrat regime.   Trump has killed their franchise, made them slink to sewers like CNN and MSNBC.

Trump has had a FAR better first nine months in office - for conservatives - that Reagan, Bush 41 or Bush 43.

I shake my head at his style, too.  But he WINS.  It burns deep in him, it gives him life.  Winning.    He's winning for us.

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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #201 on: October 16, 2017, 09:39:26 pm »
Explain to me your affinity for Hillary Clinton.  I'm interested.

Because, that was our choice.  It wasn't Gary Johnson or Evan McMullan or Jill Stein or any of the other self-serving wannabes.

It was Trump or Clinton.  Reality.  Trump won.  Would you have wished a different outcome?

Trump has nominated and seated Gorsuch.  He opened up the Keystone and Dakota pipelines.  He's reinvigorated our vital coal industry.  He crap-canned the onerous Paris accord.  And any thoughts NAFTA, the PPP, the Iran deal and other Obama-era giveaways would stand.

He is hated by the media. He's hated by Hollywood. He's hated by the people like Krauthammer, Kristol, Rubin, Goldberg etc. who have become rich by their opposition to a Democrat regime.   Trump has killed their franchise, made them slink to sewers like CNN and MSNBC.

Trump has had a FAR better first nine months in office - for conservatives - that Reagan, Bush 41 or Bush 43.

I shake my head at his style, too.  But he WINS.  It burns deep in him, it gives him life.  Winning.    He's winning for us.

Oh FFS

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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #202 on: October 16, 2017, 09:42:13 pm »
Oh FFS

That's the entirety of your rebuke?

LOL.

Nice job.

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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #203 on: October 16, 2017, 09:43:48 pm »
Explain to me your affinity for Hillary Clinton.  I'm interested.

Because, that was our choice.  It wasn't Gary Johnson or Evan McMullan or Jill Stein or any of the other self-serving wannabes.

It was Trump or Clinton.  Reality.  Trump won.  Would you have wished a different outcome?


I can't remember how many people who kept telling me it wasn't a binary choice.   


Yes,  it really was a binary choice.  You were going to get one or the other,   and in no rational view could Hillary have been the better choice. 


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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #204 on: October 16, 2017, 09:43:56 pm »
That's the entirety of your rebuke?

LOL.

Nice job.

Yeah, that's the only thing that tired, worn out, dumbass statement deserves.

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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #205 on: October 16, 2017, 09:45:19 pm »
Explain to me your affinity for Hillary Clinton.  I'm interested.

Because, that was our choice.  It wasn't Gary Johnson or Evan McMullan or Jill Stein or any of the other self-serving wannabes.

You people made us your enemy back in the primaries, some of your compatriots threatening to kill us if we didn't vote the way you demanded.

So, affinities for Clinton, Cruz, Paul or whomever no longer matters a whit to me.  You made us your enemy, and I have accepted that role as your enemy.

Go march to the tune of your leader in high-step fashion while saluting to your heart's content.  I have no interest in supporting, joining or doing shit to help you people do whatever it is you think you want to do.  All I know is, we're the enemy according to your repeated mantras of this bullshit.

Fine and good.  You do not need us.  You said as much, your leader said as much.

Go fight the Left with the Left and have fun.

We have other plans.

He's winning for us.

You keep telling yourself that.  Maybe someday you will actually believe it.
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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #206 on: October 16, 2017, 09:47:25 pm »
Yeah, that's the only thing that tired, worn out, dumbass statement deserves.

Run away and hide, princess.

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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #207 on: October 16, 2017, 09:49:07 pm »
Run away and hide, princess.

About damn time someone around here addressed me properly.

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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #208 on: October 16, 2017, 09:50:50 pm »
You people made us your enemy back in the primaries, some of your compatriots threatening to kill us if we didn't vote the way you demanded.

So, affinities for Clinton, Cruz, Paul or whomever no longer matters a whit to me.  You made us your enemy, and I have accepted that role as your enemy.

Go march to the tune of your leader in high-step fashion while saluting to your heart's content.  I have no interest in supporting, joining or doing shit to help you people do whatever it is you think you want to do.  All I know is, we're the enemy according to your repeated mantras of this bullshit.

Fine and good.  You do not need us.  You said as much, your leader said as much.

Go fight the Left with the Left and have fun.

We have other plans.

You keep telling yourself that.  Maybe someday you will actually believe it.

Okay, Invar.

You're a eunuch.  Sorry, but you are.

That's okay, I'm sure you're a fine person in real life.  But, politically?  You're a eunuch. 

Trump is doing stuff every single day. He is systematically unraveling every Obama executive order fiat.  He's on the right path for most everything in my opinion.  I watch what he DOES, not what he tweets.

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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #209 on: October 16, 2017, 09:58:55 pm »
"Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth." - Jesus Christ, John 17:17

" For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools" - Romans 1:21-22


What's humorous here, is that you think those quotes support your argument...in actuality, they simply point out a lack of self awareness and an inability to understand the bible itself. But please, post more such quotes to undermine your own argument...however nebulous and poorly thought out that argument may be.

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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #210 on: October 16, 2017, 10:04:37 pm »
Okay, Invar.

You're a eunuch.  Sorry, but you are.

That's okay, I'm sure you're a fine person in real life.  But, politically?  You're a eunuch. 

Trump is doing stuff every single day. He is systematically unraveling every Obama executive order fiat.  He's on the right path for most everything in my opinion.  I watch what he DOES, not what he tweets.

Its futile to apply reason here, Arne. Though I admire your attempt to bring logic to the discussion. You're either going to be met with Invar's random bible quotes...which are generally unrelated to whatever argument he thinks he's making...or some sort of rant from him about how you have no principles because you disagree with him about the President. Either way, its all based in emotion...applying reason or laying out evidence only generates thought free rage.

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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #211 on: October 16, 2017, 10:05:15 pm »
You made us your enemy, and I have accepted that role as your enemy.

And this is why I would not take a side in the Great Trump War on TBR.  I have my feelings in the matter, make no mistake, but I don't talk about them because, at the end of the day, I don't need more enemies than I had in the morning.  But I won't deny, the supporters of Trump have done their level best to drive the "never Trump" people away, angry. 

Now, the hand of friendship has been slapped away so much I can't blame you for considering yourself an enemy, and it's a damned shame.  We all have the same basic beliefs about where this country should go.
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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #212 on: October 16, 2017, 10:14:14 pm »
Okay, Invar.

You're a eunuch.  Sorry, but you are.

That's okay, I'm sure you're a fine person in real life.  But, politically?  You're a eunuch. 

Trump is doing stuff every single day. He is systematically unraveling every Obama executive order fiat.  He's on the right path for most everything in my opinion.  I watch what he DOES, not what he tweets.

The problem with that is.... everything Trump is doing (undoing Obama's EOs via Trump EOs).... can be easily (and will be) undone by the next Democrat administration.  It's temporary, IOW.

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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #213 on: October 16, 2017, 10:15:17 pm »
For what it's worth, I appreciate your opening post.

We need to understand - if we're authentic Conservatives - that Trump's actions have been stellar thus far.

I don't take the media bait about the discord and betrayals to his supporters that seems to energize both the Progtoads and his little group of Never-Trumpers who have been seriously disempowered since he won the election and took office last January.

Trump is a builder and negotiator.  Building a huge tower in places like Manhattan, Brooklyn and Miami requires indomitable focus and patience.  He only knows opportunity and urgency and he's brought that to the White House.  And, for the first time since 2009, we have a real patriot leading our government.  Trump is an authentic patriot.  Obama was a feckless, incompetent "man of the world" who gained influence by promising to diminish American influence.

Sorry.  I really like him.  He's turning stuff upside down.  As needed.  If he vents on Twitter, so be it.   That's Donald. 

Every single member at this site who finds a reason to reflexively attack POTUS needs to articulate their real opposition.  As a Walker, Rubio, Cruz supporter here ... who was angered by Trump's style and discourteous nature ... I am over it.

Good grief, Hillary Clinton was the only other option.  And, Trump has been a better conservative than W. 

I don't get it.  Why the lingering animus?  He pissed me off 20 months ago but I'm not unhappy now.....!


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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #214 on: October 16, 2017, 10:20:01 pm »
And this is why I would not take a side in the Great Trump War on TBR.  I have my feelings in the matter, make no mistake, but I don't talk about them because, at the end of the day, I don't need more enemies than I had in the morning.  But I won't deny, the supporters of Trump have done their level best to drive the "never Trump" people away, angry. 



I can't speak for others,  but my own position is this.   I can forgive someone for being foolish when no ill  comes as a result of it,   and I therefore have no animosity at anyone who refused to help us stop the witch.   


I don't think I can say that I would feel the same had things gone the other way.




Now, the hand of friendship has been slapped away so much I can't blame you for considering yourself an enemy, and it's a damned shame.  We all have the same basic beliefs about where this country should go.


I think we are in general agreement as to the direction this country should go,    but for a time we were having a serious disagreement about where it should not go.   Thankfully we were kept from that despite the willingness of some to let it happen. 

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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #215 on: October 16, 2017, 10:20:50 pm »
For what it's worth, I appreciate your opening post.

We need to understand - if we're authentic Conservatives - that Trump's actions have been stellar thus far.

I don't take the media bait about the discord and betrayals to his supporters that seems to energize both the Progtoads and his little group of Never-Trumpers who have been seriously disempowered since he won the election and took office last January.

Trump is a builder and negotiator.  Building a huge tower in places like Manhattan, Brooklyn and Miami requires indomitable focus and patience.  He only knows opportunity and urgency and he's brought that to the White House.  And, for the first time since 2009, we have a real patriot leading our government.  Trump is an authentic patriot.  Obama was a feckless, incompetent "man of the world" who gained influence by promising to diminish American influence.

Sorry.  I really like him.  He's turning stuff upside down.  As needed.  If he vents on Twitter, so be it.   That's Donald. 

Every single member at this site who finds a reason to reflexively attack POTUS needs to articulate their real opposition.  As a Walker, Rubio, Cruz supporter here ... who was angered by Trump's style and discourteous nature ... I am over it.

Good grief, Hillary Clinton was the only other option.  And, Trump has been a better conservative than W. 

I don't get it.  Why the lingering animus?  He pissed me off 20 months ago but I'm not unhappy now.....!

No, actually *we* don't need to anything of the sort, because *we* have already thoroughly explained the reasons why we find particular aspects of Trump disagreeable.  *We* have done that tens of thousands of times by now.  Regardless of what you and the other AlwaysTrumpers would like, those reasons aren't going to change.  Good for you for looking past all of Trump's flaws.  Time for you to extend the same courtesy to members here who you think are flawed.

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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #216 on: October 16, 2017, 10:22:44 pm »
The problem with that is.... everything Trump is doing (undoing Obama's EOs via Trump EOs).... can be easily (and will be) undone by the next Democrat administration.  It's temporary, IOW.


Much of what Obama did was blatantly illegal,   and he only got away with it as a result of "black power".   


No one else would dare try some of what Obama did,  and so the undoing of his Executive Order works will likely remain.   

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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #217 on: October 16, 2017, 10:23:21 pm »
The problem with that is.... everything Trump is doing (undoing Obama's EOs via Trump EOs).... can be easily (and will be) undone by the next Democrat administration.  It's temporary, IOW.

That's true, Xena, but that's all he can do at this juncture.  And, what more would you ask?

It's up to McConnell and three or four RINOs in the Senate (led by the increasingly insufferable narcissist/asshat McCain) to codify the stuff we need to have put into law.

All Trump can do is to erase the Obama executive orders - which is huge because the hip Kenyan never bothered with working through Congress - and put pressure on congress folks like Manchin and NoDak Heidi to vote for tax cuts or lose in '18.


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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #218 on: October 16, 2017, 10:25:51 pm »
Explain to me your affinity for Hillary Clinton.  I'm interested.

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Trump has nominated and seated Gorsuch. 

After Roberts, I will not credit that until proven.

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He opened up the Keystone and Dakota pipelines.  He's reinvigorated our vital coal industry. 

All a bunch of EOs... And you'll be crying in your beer and tearing your clothes in anger when the next dem comes along and cancels them all. No different than Obama.

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He crap-canned the onerous Paris accord.  And any thoughts NAFTA, the PPP, the Iran deal and other Obama-era giveaways would stand.

No he didn't...

Just open to renegotiation. ALL of that is still on the table.

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He is hated by the media. He's hated by Hollywood. He's hated by the people like Krauthammer, Kristol, Rubin, Goldberg etc. who have become rich by their opposition to a Democrat regime.

Right... and just about everyone else too. You don't get to use 'He has all the right enemies' if he doesn't also have all the right friends...

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Trump has had a FAR better first nine months in office - for conservatives - that Reagan, Bush 41 or Bush 43.

I shake my head at his style, too.  But he WINS.  It burns deep in him, it gives him life.  Winning.    He's winning for us.

Oh bullcrap.

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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #219 on: October 16, 2017, 10:26:09 pm »
No, actually *we* don't need to anything of the sort, because *we* have already thoroughly explained the reasons why we find particular aspects of Trump disagreeable.  *We* have done that tens of thousands of times by now.  Regardless of what you and the other AlwaysTrumpers would like, those reasons aren't going to change.  Good for you for looking past all of Trump's flaws.  Time for you to extend the same courtesy to members here who you think are flawed.

Princess seems upset.

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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #220 on: October 16, 2017, 10:28:52 pm »

I can't remember how many people who kept telling me it wasn't a binary choice.   


Yes,  it really was a binary choice.  You were going to get one or the other,   and in no rational view could Hillary have been the better choice.

No it was not a binary choice. My choice voted for neither one... Even if it is us or them, there is still the choice not to participate. Hence *not* binary in any case.

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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #221 on: October 16, 2017, 10:29:38 pm »
  Regardless of what you and the other AlwaysTrumpers would like, those reasons aren't going to change. 



I believe he stated that he was a Walker, Rubio, Cruz supporter who did not like Trump.    I believe that means he is not an "AlwaysTrumper".   For that matter,   I was a Walker, Cruz supporter,   and so I wasn't an "AlwaysTrumper"  either.   

I think a better term to describe people like he and I is "Realist." 



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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #222 on: October 16, 2017, 10:31:57 pm »
Princess seems upset.

You think little ol you can upset me?  LOL

I find it interesting that it seems you're trying to goad me into being upset though.  What exactly is your goal?  Because you've made it very clear how you feel about Trump, so why continue on and on and on and on and on?  It makes one think that your goal is to try to make people upset.... kinda like trolling.

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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #223 on: October 16, 2017, 10:32:51 pm »


I believe he stated that he was a Walker, Rubio, Cruz supporter who did not like Trump.    I believe that means he is not an "AlwaysTrumper".   For that matter,   I was a Walker, Cruz supporter,   and so I wasn't an "AlwaysTrumper"  either.   

I think a better term to describe people like he and I is "Realist."

Whatever makes you feel good.

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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #224 on: October 16, 2017, 10:32:51 pm »
Okay, Invar.

You're a eunuch.  Sorry, but you are.

Ask me if I care what you Populist Nationalists or the liberal Left within the Republican Party thinks.

All I know from your fellows is that I am to be counted as 'the enemy' because of my refusal to support your prince.

Okay and Amen.  I'm the enemy.  I accept it.

Go, have fun fighting "the Left" with whatever political messiahs you want to march behind.

I have other plans.

They do not include you.

Trump is doing stuff every single day. He is systematically unraveling every Obama executive order fiat.  He's on the right path for most everything in my opinion.  I watch what he DOES, not what he tweets.

Trump is as irrelevant and immaterial to me as Obama was.

In fact, I view him in almost the exact same light and with almost the same amount of disdain.
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