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On the 'Vulgar Manliness' of Donald Trump
« on: October 12, 2017, 10:31:53 AM »
In “The Vulgar Manliness of Donald Trump,” Harvard Professor of Government Harvey Mansfield depicts the President as a demagogue -- precisely the sort of crass figure whose rise to power the Founders wished to forestall.  The theoretical underpinning of the article, the concept of “manliness” itself, receives its full expostulation in Professor Mansfield’s book, Manliness (Yale University Press, 2006). We are unable to go into that rich and learned work here.  Suffice it to quote from the book’s preface, “Manliness seeks and welcomes drama and prefers times of war, conflict, and risk.” But it is “about fifty-fifty good and bad.”  The good manliness, that of the first responders on 9/11 (and, we might add, of the Seals who killed Osama bin Laden), is necessary to resist the wicked manliness of the 9/11 attackers and their ilk.

According to Professor Mansfield, Trump’s is a vulgar manliness, and therefore to be disdained. Vulgarity was understood in ancient political philosophy as the characteristic of the common people.  Classical authors, and others through the centuries, viewed democracy as problematic and likely to collapse into tyranny, because the people, in Mansfield’s reprise, were “hasty, angry, impulsive, brash, and punitive.”  We need only think of the Roman mob in Shakespeare’s Julius Caesar.  The people inevitably will choose a man with those same qualities, one as vulgar as they are, but with the ambition, guile, and rhetorical talent to raise them against “men of quality, nobles, aristocrats, or gentlemen.”

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/10/on_the_vulgar_manliness_of_donald_trump.html
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Re: On the 'Vulgar Manliness' of Donald Trump
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2017, 10:33:13 AM »
The ever-growing number of articles where the general premise is 'he's not as bad as the other guy' is well beyond boring.
Truth has to be repeated constantly, because Error also is being preached all the time, and not just by a few, but by the multitude. In the Press and Encyclopaedias, in Schools and Universities, everywhere Error holds sway, feeling happy and comfortable in the knowledge of having Majority on its side.

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Re: On the 'Vulgar Manliness' of Donald Trump
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2017, 10:44:24 AM »
The ever-growing number of articles where the general premise is 'he's not as bad as the other guy' is well beyond boring.

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Re: On the 'Vulgar Manliness' of Donald Trump
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2017, 10:52:37 AM »
The One Rump and his followers ain't men.
I am not a conservative.

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Re: On the 'Vulgar Manliness' of Donald Trump
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2017, 10:55:17 AM »
@RoosGirl
Oh cmon we know you have the hots for him

I guess I'm not hiding it very well.
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Re: On the 'Vulgar Manliness' of Donald Trump
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2017, 11:02:45 AM »
Give Michelle Obama a Break
Conservative critics of her commencement address at Tuskegee University are missing its many merits.

By Harvey Mansfield
May 19, 2015 6:59 p.m. ET

https://www.wsj.com/articles/give-michelle-obama-a-break-1432076369
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Re: On the 'Vulgar Manliness' of Donald Trump
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2017, 11:11:59 AM »
Give Michelle Obama a Break
Conservative critics of her commencement address at Tuskegee University are missing its many merits.

By Harvey Mansfield
May 19, 2015 6:59 p.m. ET

https://www.wsj.com/articles/give-michelle-obama-a-break-1432076369

You're going to have to give us the bullet points.  I haven't figured out how to hack in to WSJ yet.
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Re: On the 'Vulgar Manliness' of Donald Trump
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2017, 11:21:33 AM »
You're going to have to give us the bullet points.  I haven't figured out how to hack in to WSJ yet.

Mooch gave a race baiting bullshit commencement speech and Mansfield defended it.
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Re: On the 'Vulgar Manliness' of Donald Trump
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2017, 11:27:51 AM »
Mooch gave a race baiting bullshit commencement speech and Mansfield defended it.

What does that have to do with the price of coffee? Besides, Harvey's off to Europe for sex therapy.   ^-^
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Re: On the 'Vulgar Manliness' of Donald Trump
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2017, 11:32:39 AM »
What does that have to do with the price of coffee? Besides, Harvey's off to Europe for sex therapy.   ^-^

I like to know what type of other gems an "expert" came up with when I read their current work.
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Re: On the 'Vulgar Manliness' of Donald Trump
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2017, 11:37:50 AM »
I like to know what type of other gems an "expert" came up with when I read their current work.

Nah, it's a good catch, I'm just giving you a hard time.

I actually wish I had the 5 minutes of my life back that it took to read this article.  I think there have been 528 similar articles in the last year or so.
Truth has to be repeated constantly, because Error also is being preached all the time, and not just by a few, but by the multitude. In the Press and Encyclopaedias, in Schools and Universities, everywhere Error holds sway, feeling happy and comfortable in the knowledge of having Majority on its side.

Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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Re: On the 'Vulgar Manliness' of Donald Trump
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2017, 11:49:41 AM »
In “The Vulgar Manliness of Donald Trump,” Harvard Professor of Government Harvey Mansfield depicts the President as a demagogue -- precisely the sort of crass figure whose rise to power the Founders wished to forestall.  The theoretical underpinning of the article, the concept of “manliness” itself, receives its full expostulation in Professor Mansfield’s book, Manliness (Yale University Press, 2006). We are unable to go into that rich and learned work here.  Suffice it to quote from the book’s preface, “Manliness seeks and welcomes drama and prefers times of war, conflict, and risk.” But it is “about fifty-fifty good and bad.”  The good manliness, that of the first responders on 9/11 (and, we might add, of the Seals who killed Osama bin Laden), is necessary to resist the wicked manliness of the 9/11 attackers and their ilk.

According to Professor Mansfield, Trump’s is a vulgar manliness, and therefore to be disdained. Vulgarity was understood in ancient political philosophy as the characteristic of the common people.  Classical authors, and others through the centuries, viewed democracy as problematic and likely to collapse into tyranny, because the people, in Mansfield’s reprise, were “hasty, angry, impulsive, brash, and punitive.”  We need only think of the Roman mob in Shakespeare’s Julius Caesar.  The people inevitably will choose a man with those same qualities, one as vulgar as they are, but with the ambition, guile, and rhetorical talent to raise them against “men of quality, nobles, aristocrats, or gentlemen.”

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/10/on_the_vulgar_manliness_of_donald_trump.html


Isn't "all manliness" to be disdained and shunned in this political environment?   Just look to how Weinstein is being offered up by the idiot left as their (current) sacrificial lamb for the sake of going after Trump over similar accusations. 

Check 1:50 of the video for that hint/clue from the Queen of Hypocrisy herself.  Of course, if you already know the idiot left well, you had to figure that was the "why" behind it.... since the idiot left usually never goes against one of their own.... unless they have an agenda to do so.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/clinton-sick-shocked-and-appalled-by-weinstein-allegations/ar-AAtjAin?li=BBnb7Kz
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Re: On the 'Vulgar Manliness' of Donald Trump
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2017, 07:01:20 PM »
Mooch gave a race baiting bullshit commencement speech and Mansfield defended it.
That's a little like being John Dillinger on trial for bank robbery and Willie Sutton leading the defense team.


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