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Senator Menendez bribery trial starts today (with poll)
« on: September 06, 2017, 12:52:21 pm »
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Menendez battles bribery charges as trial kicks off

Sen. Robert Menendez is set to become the first sitting senator in years to face bribery charges in a case that could reshape the Senate.

The New Jersey Democrat will head to court Wednesday to battle charges that he used his influence to help Salomon Melgen, a Florida eye doctor, in exchange for gifts and campaign donations.

The trial — which is expected to last up to two months, not including any potential appeals — could have major ramifications for the Senate, where Republicans have a slim 52-seat majority.

Menendez has denied wrongdoing, predicting the bribery and corruption charges against him will be dropped. But Republicans are wasting no time using the incumbent senator’s trial to put a bull’s-eye on Democrats.

Republicans plan to target vulnerable Democrats up for reelection in 2018 in states won by President Trump as well as potential 2020 Democratic presidential contenders in an effort to make them go on the record about what happens if Menendez is convicted.

“If Democrats don’t call for a convicted felon to resign immediately and instead force taxpayers to keep paying his salary, that’s a debate we’re ready to have,” said Michael Ahrens, a spokesman for the Republican National Committee (RNC).

A spokesman for the National Republican Senatorial Committee added that if Democrats don’t call for Menendez to resign, Senate Republicans’ campaign arm is prepared to “remind folks back home where their senator really stands” ahead of a tough midterm reelection.

The RNC is accelerating efforts to pressure Democrats to distance themselves from Menendez, including by launching a “war room” to track statements from senators and using on-the-ground trackers to try to get Democrats to state their position.

The committee released the first in a series of web videos on Tuesday, and it plans to use Snapchat to target Menendez starting Wednesday around the New Jersey courthouse with a filter that says “Bye Bye Bob Menendez,” according to a version of the filter obtained by The Hill.

Patricia Enright, a spokeswoman for the New Jersey Democrat, noted Menendez has not made a decision about what he will do if he is convicted, saying, “He expects to be exonerated.”

Prosecutors laid out their case against Menendez late last month, alleging that the relationship between Menendez and Melgen began as early as 2006, when Menendez joined the Senate, and continued through early 2013.

They allege that Menendez used his office to perform favors for Melgen, including helping the doctor’s foreign female companions obtain visas to visit the U.S. and advocating for Melgen in a dispute between his ophthalmology practice and the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.

Menendez’s court battle comes after the Supreme Court vacated former Republican Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell’s federal bribery conviction, laying out a narrow definition of what constituents an “official act.”

Brigid Harrison, a political science and law professor at the New Jersey-based Montclair State University, added in light of the Supreme Court’s decision on McDonnell that there “remains a distinct possibility” the Menendez case could still be dismissed.

“The definition of what constitutes official conduct is crucial,” she said.

Democrats have stayed largely silent ahead of the Menendez trial. A spokesman for Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) said they weren’t going to comment on what happens if Menendez if convicted.

Spokespeople for the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee didn’t respond to a request for comment on their game plan for the trial or if Menendez should step down if convicted.

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Re: Senator Melendez bribary trial starts today
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2017, 12:53:46 pm »
Washington (CNN)New Jersey Sen. Bob Menendez goes on trial today in a federal court in Newark, New Jersey, on charges of bribery in regard to his relationship with a campaign donor. Menendez has, from the start, insisted that he is totally innocent. But how much legal peril is Menendez actually in? I reached out to Thomas Cooke, a former assistant state's attorney and assistant public defender in Maryland and a longtime member of the Georgetown University faculty. He is currently a distinguished teaching professor in the McDonough School of Business. Our conversation, conducted via email and only lightly edited for flow, is below.

Cillizza: The Menendez trial starts today. Explain the charges against him and how they were brought.

Cooke: The trial will involve Menendez and Dr. Salomon Melgen. The co-defendants are charged with 18 counts of fraud and bribery. The government alleges that the criminal behavior took place on a number of separate dates with a common theme -- a relationship under which the senator is alleged to have advocated, as a senator from New Jersey, issues benefiting Melgen. The charges are extremely serious and were brought after a considerable investigation and presentation to a grand jury. The grand jury issued an indictment (formal charges) on April 1. Each of the eight bribery charges alone carry up to 15 years in prison.

Both of the defendants have maintained their innocence and have entered pleas of not guilty.

In my opinion, the bribery changes are the most serious charges that can be placed against a government official.

Cillizza: What does the government need to prove Menendez did to get a conviction? What does Menendez have to prove (if anything?)

Cooke: In all criminal trials, the government has the burden of establishing guilt "beyond a reasonable doubt." The jury verdict must be unanimous. Here, the government must establish a direct connection between the financial incentives provided to Menendez and his official acts. In order to make the case, the government will establish a long list of benefits provided to Menendez by Melgen. The facts are the facts and most of them may not be in dispute. Menendez can't deny taking trips and staying at hotels, all of which were paid for by Melgen.

Once that task is completed, the government will turn its attention to the more difficult task of showing the direct connection between the benefits and conduct on the part of Menendez.

In theory, the defendant in a criminal case has nothing to prove. The burden is 100% on the government. But that being said, in some white collar criminal cases, it is essential that the defendant give his version of the facts. In some cases, the defense will attempt to prove the defendant's theory and version without calling the defendant to testify. This is often difficult and very challenging.

From what I have reviewed (and only my best guess), I would anticipate that the defendant/s will testify.

The decision to testify or not to testify will be made by the defense only after the government has completed its case and the defense determines if it is in the defendant's best interest.

Under no circumstances can a defendant be forced to testify. This is the constitutional right against self incrimination. That being said, any statements made by a defendant outside the court process may be incorporated as a part of the government's case.

The decision to testify or not is always the big mystery in a criminal case.

If the defendant elects to testify, he will be subject to cross-examination by the government.

Cillizza: Do we have any relevant historical precedent for this sort of case against a sitting US senator? If so, what do they tell us?

Cooke: It is important to note the decision of the US Supreme Court reversing the conviction of former Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell. On June 26, 2016, the court, in sending the case back to the appeals court, noted that an official act involved a formal exercise of power and (must) be something specific and pending before a public official.
Writing for the Supreme Court, Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. narrowed the definition of what sort of conduct can serve as a basis of a corruption case.

I would expect that the Justice Department has studied the McDonnell case very carefully and understands the burden it has is showing the critical connection.

Cillizza: What's the timetable for a trial like this? Do we expect a decision before the end of the year? Sooner? Later?

Cooke: A trial of this nature can be divided into different stages:

(1) Pre-trial: completed

(2) Jury selection: completed

(a) 12 jurors + alternate jurors

(3) Opening statements (while optional, I expect both sides to make opening statements)

(4) The government's case (could last weeks)

The government always goes first since it has the burden of establishing guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

There are published reports that the government intends to introduce over 20,000 pages of admissible evidence.

One word of caution (from my experience as a government prosecutor): Don't present a case that is so complicated that you lose the primary focus and attention of the jury. All it takes is for one juror to be confused and there will not be a conviction. The more simple the presentation, the easier it is for jurors to comprehend what was taking place.

(5) The defense

One never knows what witnesses, if any, the defense will call.

Even if there is a list of "potential" witnesses, the main mystery will be the decision of the individual defendants to testify or not testify.

As a former state prosecutor (Maryland), I would expect the defense to admit to a number of facts established by the government but deny there is any direct or intentional connection between the work performed by Menendez.

(6) Government's rebuttal

(7) US District Court Judge William H. Walls instructions to the jury

(8) Closing arguments by both sides

(9) Jury verdict

(1) Guilty (unanimous)

(a) The Judge will schedule a date for sentencing.

(b) The defendant's right to appeal to the US Court of Appeals, Third Circuit. The appeal can only take place after the sentencing stage.

(2) Not guilty (unanimous)

(a) Government cannot appeal. The case is over.

(3) Mistrial (jury unable to reach a unanimous verdict)

(a) The government can re-prosecute the case.

From start to finish: Anyone's guess -- likely many weeks but certainly before the end of the year. If the defendants are found guilty, it could be several months after the verdict before the actual sentencing stage (more likely late in 2017 or early 2018).

Cillizza: Finish this sentence: "Bob Menendez is in _________ trouble in this trial." Now, explain.

Cooke: Bob Menendez is in very serious trouble in this trial.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/06/politics/menendez-trial/index.html
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Re: Senator Melendez bribary trial starts today
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2017, 01:16:36 pm »
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Re: Senator Menendez bribery trial starts today (with poll)
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2017, 01:56:19 pm »
Trial is in New Jersey. All Menendez needs is one Dem on the jury to hang it. I'd think it shouldn't be too hard to find a nitwit in NJ.

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Re: Senator Menendez bribery trial starts today (with poll)
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2017, 10:44:54 pm »
As a NJ resident, I'd love to see him convicted -- I think he's guilty as hell, but proving intent will be difficult, I'm afraid.  I see a hung jury............unfortunately.
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Re: Senator Menendez bribery trial starts today (with poll)
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2017, 08:47:00 am »
I'll say I think he's innocent; that he has enemies like Obama and the Castro regime.  That he's been brought up before on charges (I read), and was found innocent. He's a Democrat, yes, but he's been fair in foreign policy and good on Cuba.

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Re: Senator Menendez bribery trial starts today (with poll)
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2017, 12:09:09 pm »
I'll say I think he's innocent; that he has enemies like Obama and the Castro regime.  That he's been brought up before on charges (I read), and was found innocent. He's a Democrat, yes, but he's been fair in foreign policy and good on Cuba.

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Have you got a source or can you identify where you read he's been found innocent before because I can't find it anywhere?  Thanks.
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Re: Senator Menendez bribery trial starts today (with poll)
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2017, 05:52:12 pm »
@TomSea
Have you got a source or can you identify where you read he's been found innocent before because I can't find it anywhere?  Thanks.
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Sorry I did not answer right away.

http://babalublog.com/2017/09/06/senator-menendez-trial-begins/
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Senator Bob Menendez (D-NJ) is one of the most ardent foes of the Castro regime in Washington, despite his party affiliation.

Accused of bribery, his trial is about to begin.

Menendez blames Castro, Inc. and Iran of orchestrating this attack on him, which could strip him of his seat in the Senate and land him in prison.

Those of us who know how Castro, Inc. works are not at all surprised by what is happening to him.

He has been accused of corruption twice before and cleared of wrongdoing.

A few years ago Castro, Inc. set up a fake prostitution scandal for Menendez, but the accusations were traced back to Castro, Inc. operatives.

So it goes….

But I've been reading some of the stories coming out in the news, so we will see.

And whatever words I used, perhaps it is wrong if I said he was charged, so whatever words are accurate, that's what I should have said.

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Re: Senator Menendez bribery trial starts today (with poll)
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2017, 07:19:24 pm »
@Concerned
Sorry I did not answer right away.

http://babalublog.com/2017/09/06/senator-menendez-trial-begins/
But I've been reading some of the stories coming out in the news, so we will see.

And whatever words I used, perhaps it is wrong if I said he was charged, so whatever words are accurate, that's what I should have said.

Yeah, thanks @TomSea.  You've hit the nail on the head of the source of my confusion.  I can't find any reference to him previously being legally charged and being "found innocent".  I know there were some charges in the press about prostitution and the like, but they've been largely discredited (although I still have my suspicions).  Thanks again for clarifying. 
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Re: Senator Menendez bribery trial starts today (with poll)
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2017, 04:22:34 pm »
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Menendez threatened State Dept. if it didn't help his rich friend, witness says
By Lukas Mikelionis, Fox News

Menendez facing bribery, corruption charges in federal court

New Jersey senator is accused of accepting lavish gifts and donations for favors

U.S. Sen. Robert Menendez, a New Jersey Democrat on trial for corruption, threatened the State Department with a Senate hearing if it failed to favorably resolve an international dispute in favor of his rich friend, a witness testified Tuesday.

Tuesday's tesimony in a Newark, N.J., courtroom came from State Department employee Mark Wells.

Meanwhile, a poll revealed that eight out of 10 voters in New Jersey want Menendez to give up his Senate seat if he’s found guilty on bribery charges, NJ.com reported.

Continued: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/09/27/menendez-threatened-state-dept-if-it-didnt-help-his-rich-friend-witness-says.html

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