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Re: The two senators who will likely decide fate of ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #150 on: September 22, 2017, 09:13:29 pm »
Amen to all that you said.  And if I believed that this would happen within the next year or two even, I would be willing to forego any intended improvement that this new bill will give us.

I wish with all my heart that I could believe it.

It's happening right now, even as we speak. What you are for is actually an attempt to save Obamacare. Research the fact, and you will see, sure enough.

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Re: The two senators who will likely decide fate of ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #151 on: September 22, 2017, 09:16:17 pm »
It's happening right now, even as we speak. What you are for is actually an attempt to save Obamacare. Research the fact, and you will see, sure enough.

"splain that to me.  Are you saying that this attempt to modify some provisions of Obamacare will actually prolong the existence of Obamacare.
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Re: The two senators who will likely decide fate of ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #152 on: September 22, 2017, 09:22:34 pm »
I'm putting this up in bold so everybody can see what a demagogue looks like, and as a reminder of why setting things right after a world-class destructor like Obama is almost impossible.

Because.... leftists like Obama create yet more gov-dependent slaves via their deliberate destruction of what WAS a good economy.   Now, they have more folks cheering them on because they have a vested interest to do so. 

In Jazzhead's case, it's his sister's continuance on that subsidy that is his/their vested interest to be for or at least OK with ObamaCare.  And so it goes.  That dependence creates more fans of Obamacare....cause they're hooked.  Just as was intended.
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Re: The two senators who will likely decide fate of ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #153 on: September 22, 2017, 09:23:42 pm »
"splain that to me.  Are you saying that this attempt to modify some provisions of Obamacare will actually prolong the existence of Obamacare.

YES. Block granting the money to the states puts the onus on the states, but the control and decision making retains in the fed. It will wind up a Sword of Damocles held over the sates - damned if they do, damned if they don't, just like highway funding and medicare/welfare already are.

And with the senate no longer representing the will of the state, they wind up the whipping boy.

In the mean time, it does nothing that I am aware of to alter the ridiculous prerequisite coverage and limits which are in fact, that which cannot be covered.

So fed has all the power, states take all the blame, and nothing otherwise will change. TADA! fixed! Repeal! whoohoo!

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Re: The two senators who will likely decide fate of ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #154 on: September 22, 2017, 09:31:12 pm »
"splain that to me.  Are you saying that this attempt to modify some provisions of Obamacare will actually prolong the existence of Obamacare.

Yes, that's exactly what he's saying!

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Re: The two senators who will likely decide fate of ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #155 on: September 22, 2017, 09:32:20 pm »
Because.... leftists like Obama create yet more gov-dependent slaves via their deliberate destruction of what WAS a good economy.   Now, they have more folks cheering them on because they have a vested interest to do so. 

In Jazzhead's case, it's his sister's continuance on that subsidy that is his/their vested interest to be for or at least OK with ObamaCare.  And so it goes.  That dependence creates more fans of Obamacare....cause they're hooked.  Just as was intended.

Absolutely correct, which is why I posted the quote about why Democracies always fail, and what happens after they do.  We're heading into the bondage phase, while the fellow you reference applauds mightily.
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Re: The two senators who will likely decide fate of ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #156 on: September 22, 2017, 09:34:04 pm »
YES. Block granting the money to the states puts the onus on the states, but the control and decision making retains in the fed. It will wind up a Sword of Damocles held over the sates - damned if they do, damned if they don't, just like highway funding and medicare/welfare already are.

And with the senate no longer representing the will of the state, they wind up the whipping boy.

In the mean time, it does nothing that I am aware of to alter the ridiculous prerequisite coverage and limits which are in fact, that which cannot be covered.

So fed has all the power, states take all the blame, and nothing otherwise will change. TADA! fixed! Repeal! whoohoo!

That is as good a description I seen of the game as it's being played today.  It's fate has been sealed since the 17th Amendment was ratified.
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Re: The two senators who will likely decide fate of ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #157 on: September 22, 2017, 09:34:47 pm »
YES. Block granting the money to the states puts the onus on the states, but the control and decision making retains in the fed. It will wind up a Sword of Damocles held over the sates - damned if they do, damned if they don't, just like highway funding and medicare/welfare already are.

And with the senate no longer representing the will of the state, they wind up the whipping boy.

In the mean time, it does nothing that I am aware of to alter the ridiculous prerequisite coverage and limits which are in fact, that which cannot be covered.

So fed has all the power, states take all the blame, and nothing otherwise will change. TADA! fixed! Repeal! whoohoo!

Okay.  I have never been a strong proponent of this legislation but I was convinced that it would be an improvement in the status quo.

Looks like it's not going to pass anyway with stalwarts like Collins and McCain opting out.

So, I guess you people will get to see of Obamacare does crash and burn on its own.  I only hope you are right.  Nothing I would love to see more.
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Re: The two senators who will likely decide fate of ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #158 on: September 22, 2017, 09:36:22 pm »
That is as good a description I seen of the game as it's being played today.  It's fate has been sealed since the 17th Amendment was ratified.

That's right. The Senate represents Big Fed, and not the will of the various states.

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Re: The two senators who will likely decide fate of ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #159 on: September 22, 2017, 09:40:14 pm »
And to hell with the people harmed by such a collapse, I guess.  Your attitude is disgusting - but thankfully the President won't let it happen, because he cares about working folks more than you do.

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Re: The two senators who will likely decide fate of ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #160 on: September 22, 2017, 09:40:44 pm »
That's right. The Senate represents Big Fed, and not the will of the various states.

The Senate is nothing but a glorified House of Representatives, only its Members are voted at-large in their states, which actually makes them worse than the worst aspects of the mob rule in the House.
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Re: The two senators who will likely decide fate of ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #161 on: September 22, 2017, 09:41:08 pm »
For unvaccinated, we are looking at a winter of severe illness and death — if you’re unvaccinated — for themselves, their families, and the hospitals they’ll soon overwhelm. Sloe Joe Biteme 12/16
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Re: The two senators who will likely decide fate of ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #162 on: September 22, 2017, 10:00:35 pm »
I’ve seen nothing to indicate a repeal vote is likely or even possible. If it were possible, then republicans in congress, many who campaigned on repeal, who for seven years promised repeal, including senate majority leader, would have already played that tune. Leadership knows when a vote is not there before they ever submit any legislation for vote.

Just to be clear, if the political winds (in congress) favored repeal McConnell and Ryan would move in that direction, if only for their own purely political reasons.
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Re: The two senators who will likely decide fate of ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #163 on: September 22, 2017, 10:06:24 pm »
As compared to the hell brought forth by it's inception? I know NO ONE who still has coverage, except those covered by medicaid and medicare. Everyone I know (to include my entire family), all of whom had reasonable insurance before the fact, now run without, or are turning to alternatives like Christian Brotherhood plans.

It doesn't come up often, and I am by no means inquiring, but in every single case where it has come up, it is in the context of costing too much and having to forego coverage.

It is not uncommon for folks to be expected to cover THREE TIMES their mortgage payment, and more, for coverage with so high a deductible that they will never ever use it.

So a pox on your statement. Everyone I know is working class and entrepreneurial. This crap is destroying people by it's very existence. *SPIT*

ObamaCare is a cancer.  Don't think I want it addressed any less than you do.  But I do not favor addressing it by allowing it, and private insurance companies, to collapse and leaving real people in the lurch.

My sister, for example, wants nothing to do with ObamaCare.  She lost her affordable coverage,  and must accept O-Care coverage that's at least double the cost of what she had before.   Yes, she qualifies for a subsidy, but that means she can't earn more income without forcing her to give up coverage altogether.  Most of your friends, it appears, have made that decision already.

Seeking destruction for its own sake is disgusting.  Millions have changed their position based on O-Care, and rely on it for better or worse.   A pox on you,  bub, for allowing your politics to trump your compassion.   
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Re: The two senators who will likely decide fate of ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #164 on: September 22, 2017, 10:08:20 pm »
In Jazzhead's case, it's his sister's continuance on that subsidy that is his/their vested interest to be for or at least OK with ObamaCare.  And so it goes.  That dependence creates more fans of Obamacare....cause they're hooked.  Just as was intended.

A pox on you and your ignorance and cruelty.   
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Re: The two senators who will likely decide fate of ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #165 on: September 22, 2017, 10:11:38 pm »
A pox on you and your ignorance and cruelty.

The truth hurts, eh?  Not surprised.

As for that pox....

right back atcha.

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Re: The two senators who will likely decide fate of ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #166 on: September 22, 2017, 10:11:42 pm »
I’ve seen nothing to indicate a repeal vote is likely or even possible. If it were possible, then republicans in congress, many who campaigned on repeal, who for seven years promised repeal, including senate majority leader, would have already played that tune. Leadership knows when a vote is not there before they ever submit any legislation for vote.

For the record, here is a list, provided by House GOP sources, of the first 49 Republican-passed Obamacare measures:

    1. January 19, 2011 – House repealed Obamacare in its entirety. (H.R. 2)

    2. February 19, 2011 –House passed the FY2011 continuing appropriations bill including several substantial bipartisan amendments that would severely limit the implementation of Obamacare. (H.R. 1)

    3. The Rehberg Amendment #575: Prohibited funding for any employee, officer, contractor or grantee of any department or agency funded under Labor & HHS to implement the health care provisions of Obamacare.

    4. The King Amendment #267: Provided that no funds in this Act may be may be used to implement Obamacare.

    5. The King Amendment #268: Prohibited funding for the pay of officials who implement Obamacare.

    6. The Emerson Amendment #83: Prohibited funding by the IRS to implement or enforce provisions on Obamacare related to the reporting of health insurance coverage.

    7. The Price Amendment #409: Prohibited funding for implementing the Medical Loss Ratio (MLR) provision.

    8. The Burgess Amendment #200: Prohibited funding at the Center for Consumer Information and Insurance Oversight (CCIIO).

    9. The Pitts Amendment #430: Prohibited funding for actions to specify or define, through regulations, guidelines, or otherwise, essential benefits as required in Obamacare.

    10. The Gardner Amendment #79: Prohibited funding for implementing Exchanges.

    11. The Hayworth Amendment #567: Prohibited funding for implementing IPAB.

    12. March 3, 2011 – House repealed (signed into law) 1099 reporting requirements that placed a financial burden on small businesses and independent contractors. (H.R. 4)

    13. April 13, 2011 – House repealed the PPHF that was riddled with wasteful, unaccountable spending. (H.R. 1217)

    14. April 14, 2011 – House repealed (signed into law) “Free Choice Voucher” program, reduced funding for the CO-OP by $2.2 billion, provided new tools to fight implementation and ensured no increase in IRS funding to hire additional agents to enforce the individual mandate as part of the FY2011 continuing appropriations bill. (H.R. 1473)

    15. April 14, 2011 – House directed the Senate to take a vote defunding all mandatory and discretionary spending in Obamacare. (H.Con.Res.35)

    16. April 15, 2011 – House passed FY2012 budget which repealed and defunded Obamacare. (H.Con.Res.34)

    17. May 3, 2011 – House eliminated ability for Secretary of Health and Human Services to have an unlimited tap on the U.S. Treasury related to government mandated health insurance exchanges. (H.R. 1213)

    18. May 4, 2011 – House repealed provision that required $200 million of mandatory “slush" fund spending solely for construction for School-Based Health Centers. (H.R. 1214)

    19. May 24, 2011 – House converted $230 million in mandatory spending for graduate medical education programs to discretionary spending, allowing teaching health centers to receive funding through the regular appropriations process with Congressional oversight. (H.R. 1216)

    20. August 1, 2011 – House passed (signed into law) the Budget Control Act of 2011 that allowed another mechanism to cut Obamacare mandatory and discretionary spending. (S. 365)

    21. October 13, 2011 – House passed the Protect Life Act that prevented funds in Obamacare (including tax credits) from being used to pay for abortion or abortion coverage and codified conscience protections. (H.R. 358)

    22. November, 16 2011 – House required (signed into law) certain benefits to be included in the calculation of modified adjusted gross income (MAGI) for determining eligibility for certain health care programs under Obamacare. (H.R. 674)

    23. December 13, 2011 – House passed the Middle Class Tax Relief and Job Creation Act that extended the “doc fix” through Obamacare subsidy recapture and reductions to the PPHF, among other provisions. (H.R. 3630)

    24. December 16, 2011 – House rescinded (signed into law) $400 million from CO-OPs and $10 million in funds for IPAB (rationing board) in the FY2012 appropriations bill. The bill also reduced IRS funding by $305 million from FY2011 levels. (H.R. 2055)

    25. February 1, 2012 – House repealed the CLASS Act, a microcosm for the problems in Obamacare (budget gimmick, insolvent, done behind closed doors and rushed into law, massive new unsustainable entitlement), which was used to disguise the short-term costs of the broader bill. (H.R. 1173)

    26. February 17, 2012 – House passed (signed into law) the Middle Class Tax Relief and Job Creation Act that cut $11.6 billion from Obamacare including $5 billion from the PPHF and recouped $2.5 billion in excess Medicaid funding via the “Louisiana Purchase”. (H.R. 3630)

    27. March 22, 2012 – House repealed IPAB, a panel of 15 unelected and unaccountable government bureaucrats tasked with reducing Medicare costs through arbitrary cuts to providers, limiting access to care for seniors. (H.R. 5)

    28. March 29, 2012 – House passed FY2013 budget which repealed and defunded Obamacare, ensuring that not a penny is spent on the government takeover of health care. (H.Con.Res.112)

    29. April 27, 2012 – House prevented interest rate increases for certain student loans, offset by repealing the Obamacare PPHF. (H.R. 4628)

    30. May 10, 2012 – House replaced harmful discretionary sequester cuts to our military and defense capabilities by defunding and repealing several Obamacare provisions including Medicaid Maintenance of Effort (MOE) requirements, among other provisions. (H.R. 5652)

    31. June 7, 2012 – House repealed the medical device tax, limitations on reimbursement of the over-the-counter medications from tax-advantaged accounts for health care and the Exchange subsidy overpayments. (H.R. 436)

    32. June 29, 2012 – House further reduced (signed into law) a Medicaid formula drafting error included in Obamacare’s “Louisiana Purchase” provision, clawing back $670 million as part of the Highway Conference bill. (H.R. 4348)

    33. July 11, 2012 – House repealed Obamacare in its entirety in the wake of the Supreme Court decision to uphold the vast majority of the law. (H.R.6079)

    34. December 20, 2012 – House replaced, for the second time, discretionary sequester cuts by defunding and repealing several Obamacare provisions including MOE requirements, among other provisions. (H.R. 6684)

    35. January 1, 2013 – House passed (signed into law) the fiscal cliff deal which repealed the CLASS Act and rescinded all unobligated CO-OP funds saving $2.3 billion, among other provisions. (H.R. 8)

    36. March 21, 2013 – House passed FY2014 budget which repealed and defunded Obamacare. (H.Con.Res.25)

    37. May 16, 2013 – House repealed Obamacare in its entirety as a stand-alone bill. (H.R. 45)

    38. July 17, 2013 – House delayed the implementation of the Obamacare employer mandate for one-year. (H.R. 2667)

    39. July 17, 2013 – House delayed the implementation of the Obamacare individual mandate for one-year. (H.R.2668)

    40. August 2, 2013 – House prevented the IRS from implementing or enforcing any portion of Obamacare. (H.R.2009)

    41. September 12, 2013 – House prevented fraudulent Obamacare subsidy claims by requiring accurate verification systems to be in place before subsidies are dispersed. (H.R. 2775)

    42. September 20, 2013 – House fully defunded Obamacare through prohibiting discretionary and mandatory spending and rescinding all unobligated balances as part of the short-term FY2014 continuing appropriations bill. (H.J.Res. 59)

    43. September 29, 2013 –House permanently repealed the onerous job killing 2.3% excise tax on medical devices as part of the short-term FY2014 continuing appropriations bill (Amendment #1 to H.J.Res 59)

    44. September 29, 2013 – House delayed all of Obamacare for one year as part of the short-term FY2014 continuing appropriations bill (Amendment #2 to H.J.Res 59)

    45. September 30, 2013 – House delayed the individual mandate for one year and required the President, Vice President, and Cabinet Secretaries to join Members of Congress and their staff in purchasing coverage through Exchanges without access to employer provided subsidy as part of the short-term FY2014 continuing appropriations bill (Amendment to H.J.Res 59)

    46. October 17, 2013 – House required (signed into law) accurate income verification systems be put in place before Obamacare exchange subsidies are dispersed as part of the short-term FY2014 continuing appropriations bill (H.R. 2775).

    47. November 15, 2013 – House allowed American’s to keep their 2013 plan without being penalized under the Obamacare individual mandate (H.R. 3350)

    48. January 10, 2014 –House required notification of individuals of breaches of personally identifiable information through Obamacare Exchanges (H.R. 3811)

    49. January 16, 2014 – House required transparency in the operation and status of Obamacare’s health exchanges through weekly reports on key metrics to decision makers in Congress and the states (H.R. 3362)

The five most recent measures, numbers 50 to 54, were passed in recent days and included a delay of Obamacare's individual mandate and other provisions.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/no-house-republicans-havent-voted-50-times-to-repeal-obamacare/article/2545733

The Senate on Sunday voted down a Republican effort to repeal Obamacare, the GOP’s first attempt to get rid of the president’s health law since the party took control of the chamber in January.

The effort fell 49-43, exactly along party lines, with eight senators not voting in the rare weekend session. Three-fifths of the Senate would have had to vote to add Obamacare repeal to a highway funding bill.

Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) is expected to ask the Senate — likely Monday — to reconsider the Obamacare amendment. He would propose a procedural motion to change Senate rules in order to try to repeal the Affordable Care Act with just 51 votes.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/obamacare-repeal-vote-fails-in-senate-120638

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Re: The two senators who will likely decide fate of ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #167 on: September 22, 2017, 10:14:28 pm »
A pox on you and your ignorance and cruelty.

I used pox first and trademarked it for this thread.
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Re: The two senators who will likely decide fate of ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #168 on: September 22, 2017, 10:18:35 pm »
Nah. They are distributed. All of them do other types of insurance, and they own most of the health care infrastructure (which is another part of the problem). Their pulling out of the market just means they'll beef up their other concerns.
My health insurance provider sent me a nice letter and basically said they would not be providing health insurance in the future. They are a major insurance company. They got out fairly early, and continue to insure homes, vehicles, and such.
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Re: The two senators who will likely decide fate of ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #169 on: September 22, 2017, 10:20:15 pm »
For the record, here is a list, provided by House GOP sources, of the first 49 Republican-passed Obamacare measures:

    1. January 19, 2011 – House repealed Obamacare in its entirety. (H.R. 2)

    2. February 19, 2011 –House passed the FY2011 continuing appropriations bill including several substantial bipartisan amendments that would severely limit the implementation of Obamacare. (H.R. 1)

    3. The Rehberg Amendment #575: Prohibited funding for any employee, officer, contractor or grantee of any department or agency funded under Labor & HHS to implement the health care provisions of Obamacare.

    4. The King Amendment #267: Provided that no funds in this Act may be may be used to implement Obamacare.

    5. The King Amendment #268: Prohibited funding for the pay of officials who implement Obamacare.

    6. The Emerson Amendment #83: Prohibited funding by the IRS to implement or enforce provisions on Obamacare related to the reporting of health insurance coverage.

    7. The Price Amendment #409: Prohibited funding for implementing the Medical Loss Ratio (MLR) provision.

    8. The Burgess Amendment #200: Prohibited funding at the Center for Consumer Information and Insurance Oversight (CCIIO).

    9. The Pitts Amendment #430: Prohibited funding for actions to specify or define, through regulations, guidelines, or otherwise, essential benefits as required in Obamacare.

    10. The Gardner Amendment #79: Prohibited funding for implementing Exchanges.

    11. The Hayworth Amendment #567: Prohibited funding for implementing IPAB.

    12. March 3, 2011 – House repealed (signed into law) 1099 reporting requirements that placed a financial burden on small businesses and independent contractors. (H.R. 4)

    13. April 13, 2011 – House repealed the PPHF that was riddled with wasteful, unaccountable spending. (H.R. 1217)

    14. April 14, 2011 – House repealed (signed into law) “Free Choice Voucher” program, reduced funding for the CO-OP by $2.2 billion, provided new tools to fight implementation and ensured no increase in IRS funding to hire additional agents to enforce the individual mandate as part of the FY2011 continuing appropriations bill. (H.R. 1473)

    15. April 14, 2011 – House directed the Senate to take a vote defunding all mandatory and discretionary spending in Obamacare. (H.Con.Res.35)

    16. April 15, 2011 – House passed FY2012 budget which repealed and defunded Obamacare. (H.Con.Res.34)

    17. May 3, 2011 – House eliminated ability for Secretary of Health and Human Services to have an unlimited tap on the U.S. Treasury related to government mandated health insurance exchanges. (H.R. 1213)

    18. May 4, 2011 – House repealed provision that required $200 million of mandatory “slush" fund spending solely for construction for School-Based Health Centers. (H.R. 1214)

    19. May 24, 2011 – House converted $230 million in mandatory spending for graduate medical education programs to discretionary spending, allowing teaching health centers to receive funding through the regular appropriations process with Congressional oversight. (H.R. 1216)

    20. August 1, 2011 – House passed (signed into law) the Budget Control Act of 2011 that allowed another mechanism to cut Obamacare mandatory and discretionary spending. (S. 365)

    21. October 13, 2011 – House passed the Protect Life Act that prevented funds in Obamacare (including tax credits) from being used to pay for abortion or abortion coverage and codified conscience protections. (H.R. 358)

    22. November, 16 2011 – House required (signed into law) certain benefits to be included in the calculation of modified adjusted gross income (MAGI) for determining eligibility for certain health care programs under Obamacare. (H.R. 674)

    23. December 13, 2011 – House passed the Middle Class Tax Relief and Job Creation Act that extended the “doc fix” through Obamacare subsidy recapture and reductions to the PPHF, among other provisions. (H.R. 3630)

    24. December 16, 2011 – House rescinded (signed into law) $400 million from CO-OPs and $10 million in funds for IPAB (rationing board) in the FY2012 appropriations bill. The bill also reduced IRS funding by $305 million from FY2011 levels. (H.R. 2055)

    25. February 1, 2012 – House repealed the CLASS Act, a microcosm for the problems in Obamacare (budget gimmick, insolvent, done behind closed doors and rushed into law, massive new unsustainable entitlement), which was used to disguise the short-term costs of the broader bill. (H.R. 1173)

    26. February 17, 2012 – House passed (signed into law) the Middle Class Tax Relief and Job Creation Act that cut $11.6 billion from Obamacare including $5 billion from the PPHF and recouped $2.5 billion in excess Medicaid funding via the “Louisiana Purchase”. (H.R. 3630)

    27. March 22, 2012 – House repealed IPAB, a panel of 15 unelected and unaccountable government bureaucrats tasked with reducing Medicare costs through arbitrary cuts to providers, limiting access to care for seniors. (H.R. 5)

    28. March 29, 2012 – House passed FY2013 budget which repealed and defunded Obamacare, ensuring that not a penny is spent on the government takeover of health care. (H.Con.Res.112)

    29. April 27, 2012 – House prevented interest rate increases for certain student loans, offset by repealing the Obamacare PPHF. (H.R. 4628)

    30. May 10, 2012 – House replaced harmful discretionary sequester cuts to our military and defense capabilities by defunding and repealing several Obamacare provisions including Medicaid Maintenance of Effort (MOE) requirements, among other provisions. (H.R. 5652)

    31. June 7, 2012 – House repealed the medical device tax, limitations on reimbursement of the over-the-counter medications from tax-advantaged accounts for health care and the Exchange subsidy overpayments. (H.R. 436)

    32. June 29, 2012 – House further reduced (signed into law) a Medicaid formula drafting error included in Obamacare’s “Louisiana Purchase” provision, clawing back $670 million as part of the Highway Conference bill. (H.R. 4348)

    33. July 11, 2012 – House repealed Obamacare in its entirety in the wake of the Supreme Court decision to uphold the vast majority of the law. (H.R.6079)

    34. December 20, 2012 – House replaced, for the second time, discretionary sequester cuts by defunding and repealing several Obamacare provisions including MOE requirements, among other provisions. (H.R. 6684)

    35. January 1, 2013 – House passed (signed into law) the fiscal cliff deal which repealed the CLASS Act and rescinded all unobligated CO-OP funds saving $2.3 billion, among other provisions. (H.R. 8)

    36. March 21, 2013 – House passed FY2014 budget which repealed and defunded Obamacare. (H.Con.Res.25)

    37. May 16, 2013 – House repealed Obamacare in its entirety as a stand-alone bill. (H.R. 45)

    38. July 17, 2013 – House delayed the implementation of the Obamacare employer mandate for one-year. (H.R. 2667)

    39. July 17, 2013 – House delayed the implementation of the Obamacare individual mandate for one-year. (H.R.2668)

    40. August 2, 2013 – House prevented the IRS from implementing or enforcing any portion of Obamacare. (H.R.2009)

    41. September 12, 2013 – House prevented fraudulent Obamacare subsidy claims by requiring accurate verification systems to be in place before subsidies are dispersed. (H.R. 2775)

    42. September 20, 2013 – House fully defunded Obamacare through prohibiting discretionary and mandatory spending and rescinding all unobligated balances as part of the short-term FY2014 continuing appropriations bill. (H.J.Res. 59)

    43. September 29, 2013 –House permanently repealed the onerous job killing 2.3% excise tax on medical devices as part of the short-term FY2014 continuing appropriations bill (Amendment #1 to H.J.Res 59)

    44. September 29, 2013 – House delayed all of Obamacare for one year as part of the short-term FY2014 continuing appropriations bill (Amendment #2 to H.J.Res 59)

    45. September 30, 2013 – House delayed the individual mandate for one year and required the President, Vice President, and Cabinet Secretaries to join Members of Congress and their staff in purchasing coverage through Exchanges without access to employer provided subsidy as part of the short-term FY2014 continuing appropriations bill (Amendment to H.J.Res 59)

    46. October 17, 2013 – House required (signed into law) accurate income verification systems be put in place before Obamacare exchange subsidies are dispersed as part of the short-term FY2014 continuing appropriations bill (H.R. 2775).

    47. November 15, 2013 – House allowed American’s to keep their 2013 plan without being penalized under the Obamacare individual mandate (H.R. 3350)

    48. January 10, 2014 –House required notification of individuals of breaches of personally identifiable information through Obamacare Exchanges (H.R. 3811)

    49. January 16, 2014 – House required transparency in the operation and status of Obamacare’s health exchanges through weekly reports on key metrics to decision makers in Congress and the states (H.R. 3362)

The five most recent measures, numbers 50 to 54, were passed in recent days and included a delay of Obamacare's individual mandate and other provisions.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/no-house-republicans-havent-voted-50-times-to-repeal-obamacare/article/2545733

The Senate on Sunday voted down a Republican effort to repeal Obamacare, the GOP’s first attempt to get rid of the president’s health law since the party took control of the chamber in January.

The effort fell 49-43, exactly along party lines, with eight senators not voting in the rare weekend session. Three-fifths of the Senate would have had to vote to add Obamacare repeal to a highway funding bill.

Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) is expected to ask the Senate — likely Monday — to reconsider the Obamacare amendment. He would propose a procedural motion to change Senate rules in order to try to repeal the Affordable Care Act with just 51 votes.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/obamacare-repeal-vote-fails-in-senate-120638

Mind-boggling, isn't it.  If nothing else, repealing attempts provided the GOP with something to do on the few days of the year that they actually go to DC to work. 

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Re: The two senators who will likely decide fate of ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #170 on: September 22, 2017, 10:27:35 pm »
Exactly wrong. Obamacare is failing of it's own weight. Let it fail.
Then the fight will be truly and squarely over a return to a free market v. a single-payer system, rather than this paltry infusion that is Graham-Cassidy.

It is YOU that is preserving the status quo.

The GOP can barely make the argument for why a market-based system is better now.  Once Obamacare crashes, it'll be an emergency and we'll get bum-rushed into single-payer with nary a glance in the direction of a rational system.

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Re: The two senators who will likely decide fate of ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #171 on: September 22, 2017, 10:35:57 pm »
The GOP can barely make the argument for why a market-based system is better now.  Once Obamacare crashes, it'll be an emergency and we'll get bum-rushed into single-payer with nary a glance in the direction of a rational system.

And McCain will be front and center, leading the way, (unless he's dead).... for all of his Democrat friends.  Bet on it.
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Re: The two senators who will likely decide fate of ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #172 on: September 22, 2017, 10:47:09 pm »
The truth hurts, eh?  Not surprised.

As for that pox....

right back atcha.

See that?  That's what demagoguery on the hoof looks like, you evil money-grubber.  I haven't read the rest of the thread yet (I've been on my commute) but I bet there are some choice words for me, now I routinely call him out for it.
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Re: The two senators who will likely decide fate of ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #173 on: September 22, 2017, 10:47:51 pm »
A pox on you and your ignorance and cruelty.   

@Jazzhead cut it out.  If you can't get your point across without name-calling, perhaps you need to develop a better point.

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Re: The two senators who will likely decide fate of ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #174 on: September 22, 2017, 10:49:08 pm »
Seeking destruction for its own sake is disgusting.  Millions have changed their position based on O-Care, and rely on it for better or worse.   A pox on you,  bub, for allowing your politics to trump your compassion.

Bullshit, plain and simple. It is not compassionate to continue this horrendously costly abomination. Where is all that money going, pray tell? Certainly not to the insurance companies, who are bailing out of the program as fast as they can.

For all your whining and complaint, your 'it's for the chidrren' argument falls absolutely flat.
It isn't 'for the chidrren' to quadruple costs for services that are made out-of-reach by scurrilous deductibles. The claim is not only disingenuous, but for all practical concerns, a fallacy.

What makes your sister more important than mine, who has now had THREE fairly large scale medical procedures, ALL PAID OUT OF POCKET, while simultaneously paying over TWENTY THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR for insurance coverage on her family of three?

SCREW THAT.