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Trump would sign Graham-Cassidy repeal bill.
« on: September 19, 2017, 05:22:27 pm »
President Donald Trump would sign the Graham-Cassidy bill if the legislation to repeal Obamacare makes it to his desk, an administration official told CNN Tuesday.

A source tells CNN that the White House has been working with Republican Sens. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Bill Cassidy of Louisiana for weeks on the new effort, and a second source added that Trump himself had quietly encouraged the two senators to take another shot at health care.

Though it seemed as if the effort to repeal the Affordable Care Act was dead in the water after the so-called "skinny" repeal bill failed this summer with a dramatic late-night vote against it by Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona, there is a renewed push to pass a repeal before the end of the month.

Read more at: http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/19/politics/trump-graham-cassidy-obamacare-repeal/index.html

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CNN reporting and anonymous sources, so take with a grain of salt, and maybe a shot of whisky.
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Re: Trump would sign Graham-Cassidy repeal bill.
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2017, 05:52:41 pm »
Sen. Rand Paul: Graham/Cassidy does NOT repeal ObamaCare and I oppose it
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Make no mistake – Graham/Cassidy keeps ObamaCare funding and regulations in place.  Oh, it rearranges the furniture a bit, changes some names, and otherwise masks what is really going on – a redistribution of ObamaCare taxes and a new Republican entitlement program, funded nearly as extravagantly as ObamaCare.
Graham/Cassidy doesn’t repeal a single ObamaCare insurance regulation.  All of the Title 1 rules, the Essential Health Benefit rules, all of them - they’re still in place here.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/09/18/sen-rand-paul-grahamcassidy-does-not-repeal-obamacare-and-oppose-it.html
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Re: Trump would sign Graham-Cassidy repeal bill.
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2017, 06:11:57 pm »
The libs/dems of today are the Quislings of former years. The cowards who would vote a fraud into office in exchange for handouts from the devil.

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Re: Trump would sign Graham-Cassidy repeal bill.
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2017, 06:17:17 pm »
Trump will sign anything.  Remember that sham passed by the House early on?  He said then he would sign it. 

I am convinced that, with respect to Obamacare repeal, tax reform and immigration, congress will pass anything, Trump will sign it, and they will all high-five one another and tell us they kept their promises. 

Meanwhile, the legislation will have accomplished nothing and most likely, will have made things worse. 

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Re: Trump would sign Graham-Cassidy repeal bill.
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2017, 08:18:13 pm »
Trump will sign anything.  Remember that sham passed by the House early on?  He said then he would sign it. 

I am convinced that, with respect to Obamacare repeal, tax reform and immigration, congress will pass anything, Trump will sign it, and they will all high-five one another and tell us they kept their promises. 

Meanwhile, the legislation will have accomplished nothing and most likely, will have made things worse.
This isn't repeal, which the economy and health care system needs. It's a placebo to make the patient think something meaningful is being done.
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« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2017, 10:30:16 pm »
And it'll be added to the list of wonderfully conservative things that Trump has done.  *****rollingeyes*****

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« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2017, 10:35:22 pm »
I'm trying to figure out something here.

Ignoring the whole Hillary thing- remember in the primary it was all 'anyone but Jeb!'?  With all the shifting, I'm trying to find an actual position :baghead: is taking that wasn't Jeb's policy during the campaign.

We just have an Orange Jeb.
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Re: Trump would sign Graham-Cassidy repeal bill.
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2017, 10:37:56 pm »
Obamacare lite is still Obamacare.

Only.... with the brand spankin new shiny GOP label slapped on it.... so the GOP can (and will) get all the blame.  ALL of it.
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« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2017, 10:55:02 pm »
Only.... with the brand spankin new shiny GOP label slapped on it.... so the GOP can (and will) get all the blame.  ALL of it.

And the Dems and the media will make sure the GOP owns it too.
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« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2017, 10:58:53 pm »
And the Dems and the media will make sure the GOP owns it too.

Yep, any problems from now on, even if they are problems predicted all the way back from when it passed, will be set right on this lipstick on a pig bill. The Dems will use this as a 'crisis' they need to fix and not only get a legislative victory out of this, but fix it with single payer or worse.

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« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2017, 11:47:36 pm »
But @AbaraXas  Trump's views have "evolved."

At least that's what some of Trump's most rabid fans tell me.

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Re: Trump would sign Graham-Cassidy repeal bill.
« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2017, 01:10:01 am »
Maybe Trump should do nothing but create gridlock, then, we can idolize him like any of those Senators, Paul, Lee and so on.  Do nothing, that's the ticket.

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« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2017, 01:10:53 am »
And it'll be added to the list of wonderfully conservative things that Trump has done.  *****rollingeyes*****

Doesn't bother one when we are talking about Senator Cruz though.  *****rollingeyes*****

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Re: Trump would sign Graham-Cassidy repeal bill.
« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2017, 01:22:21 am »
What’s in the new GOP health care bill, in one (simple) chart
 BY Lisa Desjardins   September 19, 2017 at 7:12 PM EDT
 
 
The heart monitor on the Republican health care reform effort is suddenly beeping again, thanks to four GOP senators who released a 140-page bill that’s keeping conservative hope for overhauling the Affordable Care Act alive.

How does this latest bill — backed by Republicans Sens. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, Bill Cassidy of Louisiana, Dean Heller of Nevada and Ron Johnson of Wisconsin — compare with the two major GOP efforts that failed earlier this year? (That would be the House-passed “American Health Care Act” and Senate Republican leaders’ “Better Care Reconciliation Act”).

They all effectively wipe out Obamacare’s mandates to buy insurance, give more power to states and dramatically alter Medicaid, the health care program for the poor.

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http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/whats-new-gop-health-care-bill-one-simple-chart/
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Re: Trump would sign Graham-Cassidy repeal bill.
« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2017, 01:32:15 am »
                I can see your back at it @TomSea

No government in the 12,000 years of modern mankind history has led its people into anything but the history books with a simple lesson, don't let this happen to you.

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Re: Trump would sign Graham-Cassidy repeal bill.
« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2017, 01:37:32 am »
Doesn't bother one when we are talking about Senator Cruz though.  *****rollingeyes*****


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Re: Trump would sign Graham-Cassidy repeal bill.
« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2017, 01:42:26 am »
                I can see your back at it @TomSea



Not really, Senator Cruz even made the late night tv show jokes per this pornography incident, I've said nothing about that.

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Re: Trump would sign Graham-Cassidy repeal bill.
« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2017, 01:42:28 am »
Txradio wrote:
"Obamacare lite is still Obamacare."

14 tons of trouble is less weight to haul than 20 tons of trouble.

Maybe next time, they can take off a few more tons...

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Re: Trump would sign Graham-Cassidy repeal bill.
« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2017, 01:54:40 am »
Txradio wrote:
"Obamacare lite is still Obamacare."

14 tons of trouble is less weight to haul than 20 tons of trouble.

Maybe next time, they can take off a few more tons...

Surely you're not that naive...

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« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2017, 02:25:43 am »
Txradio wrote:
"Obamacare lite is still Obamacare."

14 tons of trouble is less weight to haul than 20 tons of trouble.

Maybe next time, they can take off a few more tons...
What next time? They will preserve the requirements for insurance policies which will still not help people who lost their polices to the plan requirements under the ACA which means if you are making a living, you have to shell out for the Cadillac plan. For my family, that's 28K a year. Nuts. We do without. It would be nice to go back to having some happy medium between no plan and one that pays to get our toenails clipped.

The bought votes will stay bought, the insurance companies will keep raking it in, and the American Middle class will get the shaft. As usual.
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« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2017, 03:33:05 am »
Maybe Trump should do nothing but create gridlock, then, we can idolize him like any of those Senators, Paul, Lee and so on.  Do nothing, that's the ticket.

Maybe Trump and the rest of the Republicans should keep their promises and repeal Obamacare. 

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Re: Trump would sign Graham-Cassidy repeal bill.
« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2017, 04:07:18 am »
"Die-hard conservatives thought that if I couldn't get everything I asked for, I should jump off the cliff with the flag flying-go down in flames. No, if I can get 70 or 80 percent of what it is I'm trying to get ... I'll take that and then continue to try to get the rest in the future.

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« Reply #24 on: September 20, 2017, 04:27:44 am »
"Die-hard conservatives thought that if I couldn't get everything I asked for, I should jump off the cliff with the flag flying-go down in flames. No, if I can get 70 or 80 percent of what it is I'm trying to get ... I'll take that and then continue to try to get the rest in the future.

– Ronald Reagan"

(my suggestion for Rand Paul)

Somehow I doubt he would say the same thing about 20 or 30 percent, which is what we're being offered.