Internal Combustion: If You Can’t Beat ’Em… Ban ’Em!

[thackney]

Internal Combustion: If You Can’t Beat ’Em… Ban ’Em!
https://spectator.org/internal-combustion-if-you-cant-beat-em-ban-em/
September 14, 2017

...There are IC engine No Go Zones in Germany and France. The Brits have just decreed a ban on the sale of internal combustion-engined vehicles period, beginning in 2040.

This sounds like a long time from now but isn’t — because car companies begin designing cars about ten years before they see the light of production and so the fatwa means the car companies are on notice that the current generation of cars they are selling is either the last or the second-to-last generation of cars they will be selling… at least insofar as they are powered by internal combustion.

And so, they won’t be wasting resources to design and build the next generation.

It’s not just Britain, either.

If it were, the madness could be contained. Instead, the madness metastasizes.

India — well, the government of India — wants all IC engined cars off the road — or retrofitted with electric drivetrains — by 2030, which is only about ten years away and so just over the horizon as far as product planning cycles go.

And now the commissars in China have announced they are all in… or out — depending on your point of view. The world’s largest market for cars and the world’s largest manufacturer of cars.

Same 2030 extinction-by-decree date....

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Once you take away individual power supplies like diesel and gasoline engines, and replace them with central power supplies, like electric motors which will mostly depend upon refueling via grid, you have not only stripped freedoms by being held under the thumbs of the state, but also have greatly increased risks of disruptions to that supply.

Imagine fighting a war using electric vehicles, too.

The wackos quest for saving earth will get them killed, as well as the compliant populace which goes along with this madness.

[thackney]

Once you take away individual power supplies like diesel and gasoline engines, and replace them with central power supplies, like electric motors which will mostly depend upon refueling via grid, you have not only stripped freedoms by being held under the thumbs of the state, but also have greatly increased risks of disruptions to that supply.

Imagine fighting a war using electric vehicles, too.

The wackos quest for saving earth will get them killed, as well as the compliant populace which goes along with this madness.

Imagine hurricane evacuations with range limited to previously charged electric vehicles.  Anyone who experienced Houston's Rita Evacuations (which killed more people without a hurricane than Harvey did) should have a valuable lesson.

[ConstitutionRose]

Imagine hurricane evacuations with range limited to previously charged electric vehicles.  Anyone who experienced Houston's Rita Evacuations (which killed more people without a hurricane than Harvey did) should have a valuable lesson.

Read something over the weekend where a writer expressed the opinion that the Irma evacuation had done great damage to the environment.  Her solution is that in the future only electric vehicles should be used for evacuation.

Grab your electric car, travel 100 miles, look for a charging station, charge your car for an hour, drive another 100 miles,  repeat.  Heck, the folks in the south who could not fly out, would never get out of the state.  Charging stations are dependent upon the power grid being functional.  I can see it now, massive traffic jams at the charging stations, 1000's of electric cars stranded on the road and the storm catching up with the them before they can leave the state.

[Suppressed]

Read something over the weekend where a writer expressed the opinion that the Irma evacuation had done great damage to the environment.  Her solution is that in the future only electric vehicles should be used for evacuation.

Grab your electric car, travel 100 miles, look for a charging station, charge your car for an hour, drive another 100 miles,  repeat.  Heck, the folks in the south who could not fly out, would never get out of the state.  Charging stations are dependent upon the power grid being functional.  I can see it now, massive traffic jams at the charging stations, 1000's of electric cars stranded on the road and the storm catching up with the them before they can leave the state.

As more become available, charging stations will become more prevalent.

https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/10/16283330/tesla-hurricane-irma-update-florida-extend-range-model-s-x-60-60d

[thackney]

As more become available, charging stations will become more prevalent.

https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/10/16283330/tesla-hurricane-irma-update-florida-extend-range-model-s-x-60-60d

Going from 200 miles to 241 miles is not going to make a significant difference on millions of people trying to leave an area.  There isn't going to be a anywhere near enough charging stations.  There isn't enough gas stations and ranges on gasoline vehicles for such an activity.

[Fishrrman]

Excellent piece, read the whole thing.

Someday bureaucrats will discover that they can't change the laws of physics by fiat. Hmmm... then again, considering who they are, they'll probably never comprehend that.

Prediction:
We'll see folks riding horses and using them to pull buggies again, before we see the numbers of electric vehicles on the roads outnumbering the internal combustion ones.

Let's see electric-powered trucks that can compete with the average diesel tractor/semi of today for horsepower and distance.

And once they ban diesel-powered freight trains, we'll see the railroads go back to steam locomotives -- powered by COAL.. ;)

[Smokin Joe]

Once you take away individual power supplies like diesel and gasoline engines, and replace them with central power supplies, like electric motors which will mostly depend upon refueling via grid, you have not only stripped freedoms by being held under the thumbs of the state, but also have greatly increased risks of disruptions to that supply.

Imagine fighting a war using electric vehicles, too.

The wackos quest for saving earth will get them killed, as well as the compliant populace which goes along with this madness.

Tell ma EVs wouldn't be the motivation behind EMP producing weapons. They could actually motivate people to attack using nukes to paralyze a country, economy, or military.

[Smokin Joe]

Going from 200 miles to 241 miles is not going to make a significant difference on millions of people trying to leave an area.  There isn't going to be a anywhere near enough charging stations.  There isn't enough gas stations and ranges on gasoline vehicles for such an activity.

You still have to keep the grid up to charge those cars. After/even during the storm, how will EVs fare in water? Especially brackish or salt water from a storm surge?

My Sixth Sense is saying "I see dead people".

[Joe Wooten]

Physics has never been their strong suit.

[driftdiver]

Read something over the weekend where a writer expressed the opinion that the Irma evacuation had done great damage to the environment.  Her solution is that in the future only electric vehicles should be used for evacuation.

Grab your electric car, travel 100 miles, look for a charging station, charge your car for an hour, drive another 100 miles,  repeat.  Heck, the folks in the south who could not fly out, would never get out of the state.  Charging stations are dependent upon the power grid being functional.  I can see it now, massive traffic jams at the charging stations, 1000's of electric cars stranded on the road and the storm catching up with the them before they can leave the state.

For many people it would be travel 25 miles and look for a recharge.   The traffic was horrendous.    They never closed/reversed the southbound lanes but they did allow people to drive on the shoulders.  That didnt seem to help much as many of the bridges don't have enough space for an extra lane.

[driftdiver]

You still have to keep the grid up to charge those cars. After/even during the storm, how will EVs fare in water? Especially brackish or salt water from a storm surge?

My Sixth Sense is saying "I see dead people".

Not to mention would the grid handle trying to charge all those cars at one time.

[Smokin Joe]

Not to mention would the grid handle trying to charge all those cars at one time.

It wouldn't. Now for the real horrorshow: If there are enough electrics out there, they will inevitably clog the roadways as their charge gives out, and then the evac halts because even gasoline engine vehicles and diesels can't get through the piles of dead EVs.

[catfish1957]

I hope many of our international competitors do ban fossil fuels. 

Can you imagine the competitive advantage in cost of producing goods we will get here in the US?


Let them play stupid, and we'll enjoy the boom of the 2020's and 2030's.

[Smokin Joe]

I hope many of our international competitors do ban fossil fuels. 

Can you imagine the competitive advantage in cost of producing goods we will get here in the US?


Let them play stupid, and we'll enjoy the boom of the 2020's and 2030's.

Can you imagine the military advantage? Electric tanks?  :nometalk:

[IsailedawayfromFR]

I hope many of our international competitors do ban fossil fuels. 

Can you imagine the competitive advantage in cost of producing goods we will get here in the US?


Let them play stupid, and we'll enjoy the boom of the 2020's and 2030's.

I'm with you.  Let 'em go green.