White House: Border wall funding doesn’t have to be tied to DACA legislation

[XenaLee]

If the Democrats insist on codifying DACA into law, of course Trump should counter with the wall.
Yes, there are places on the Texas/Mexico border where physical barriers are enough to not need a wall, but why lose this bargaining chip?
Dems want DACA as a law? Give up opposition to the wall.
Seems simple to me.
Yes, critics and supporters alike will say Trump wanted to return Dreamers to wherever they came from, but, frankly, he has been on both sides of that issue.

Personally, I'm not a fan of DACA becoming law, because it will lead to 100% citizenship, next time we have a Democrat controlled White house and congress.
It takes away future generations from feeling like they have to go through the process, just show up and wear'em down.

However, if it builds the wall, might it be worth the trade off?
I don't know, not sure.
Just throwing it out there.

I don't believe that ANY time you reward bad behavior it will turn out well.   Giving illegals citizenship based on emotional "those poor kids had no choice in the matter" memes is the very definition of rewarding bad behavior....that of those that brought them here, or had them here while illegally being here.   It's a slap in the face of any and everyone that has gone to the time, expense and trouble of the process of legal immigration to the USA, in fact. 

Further, the fraud and criminal aspect involved in the DACA program makes me want to say send them ALL back.  However, that isn't a logical option, apparently.  Nor will the gutless GOP dare to even try....since they're too worried about their own wallet and re-election prospects.

So what to do?  How to handle it?   I am already preparing myself for the reality that all those "kids" (now adults) will be given citizenship and will be voting Democrat.  It's.....

just part of the surreal aspect of living in this ever-changing (fundamentally transforming) nation now.

I don't like it....but I have no power to stop or change it.  Voting sure as hell doesn't work.

[Oceander]

So now the wall is just a metaphor, a means of virtue-signaling between Trump and his worshippers, I mean supporters. 

Geez.  The cult is thick with these ones. 

[GrouchoTex]

I don't believe that ANY time you reward bad behavior it will turn out well.   Giving illegals citizenship based on emotional "those poor kids had no choice in the matter" memes is the very definition of rewarding bad behavior....that of those that brought them here, or had them here while illegally being here.   It's a slap in the face of any and everyone that has gone to the time, expense and trouble of the process of legal immigration to the USA, in fact. 

Further, the fraud and criminal aspect involved in the DACA program makes me want to say send them ALL back.  However, that isn't a logical option, apparently.  Nor will the gutless GOP dare to even try....since they're too worried about their own wallet and re-election prospects.

So what to do?  How to handle it?   I am already preparing myself for the reality that all those "kids" (now adults) will be given citizenship and will be voting Democrat.  It's.....

just part of the surreal aspect of living in this ever-changing (fundamentally transforming) nation now.

I don't like it....but I have no power to stop or change it.  Voting sure as hell doesn't work.

I don't think it ends well, either.
Next time a group of people wants to overstay a visa, they'll just wait it out until they get what they want.

Too bad we can't try that with the IRS without going to jail....

If I had my way, no DACA and the wall gets built, but I just don't see that as a reality anymore.

So I  would agree and modify my on the fence (wall?) stance...The wall is not worth DACA.

[roamer_1]

Trump has issued a bunch of executive orders, most of which I like a lot.


•   Executive orders I like
•   Order reversing multiple Obama-era offshore drilling restrictions, review of limits on drilling locations.
•   Order directing a review of national monument designations from prior administrations.
•   Order freezing hiring for some federal government workers, excluding the military.
•   Orders reviving both the Keystone XL and Dakota Access pipelines.
•   Order issuing a five year-ban on officials becoming lobbyists after leaving government work, along with a lifetime ban on White House officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government.

Order mandating agencies abolish two regulations for every new regulation introduced

Have you ever seen a van that says 'Free Candy' on the side? EOs are nothing - a wisp, gone with the next presidency (if that long). If a stroke of a pen makes it, then a stroke of a pen takes it away again just as fast. It changes nothing in the long run. It is red meat for a psychophantic fan base, but little more than legislative flatulence.

Increase of immigration enforcement: President Trump may have had his travel ban blocked multiple times by the courts, but the president has still had an impact on the border through stepping up deportations and increasing immigration enforcement. Since Trump took office, Immigration and Customs Enforcement has reported 35,604 "removals" in January and February of this year, slightly more than former President Obama compared to 35,255 in the first two months of 2017

And amnesty will open the floodgates anyway. TENS of MILLIONS.

[Emjay]

So now the wall is just a metaphor, a means of virtue-signaling between Trump and his worshippers, I mean supporters. 

Geez.  The cult is thick with these ones.

 Speaking of thick ...No, of course not.

Trump meant a real wall and his followers expected a real wall.

I didn't because I didn't think it would be feasible given the length and terrain.

What I'm saying is that the wall became a symbol of wanting to stop the flood of illegal aliens.

It focused people on the problem which had been virtually ignored prior to Trump's promise of the wall.

Geeze

[Night Hides Not]

I don't know who Duane Dellacourt is, but as to my original point about symbolism ... I simply meant that by Trump focusing on a wall to keep illegals out, the Wall became a symbol of our desire to stop the flood of illegal immigration.

I think some form of a wall will be built eventually but maybe only in places where it is most needed and where the natural environment permits it.

Sometimes symbolism works and The Wall was an effective one to get people thinking about stopping illegal immigration.

@Emjay , I'm dating myself. Garry Trudeau created the character during the Carter years. He was named the Secretary of Symbolism.

[GrouchoTex]

A Brietbart reporter was on KTRH, a local radio station, on my way to work this morning.

He said (and I've seen this reported before) that for the first part of the year, illegal immigration was down, around a five year or better low.
That was due to Trump's election, fear of deportation, etc

Now, he claims, there is an increase, and he attributed it to a few things:

Illegal aliens aren't afraid of being deported anymore.The deportation numbers are actually around the same amount as Obama's were, according to the Brietbart reporter.
They do not believe a wall will be built.

They figure Trump has talked tough, but nothing has changed much, now this DACA business is headed to Congress, where some sort of law will come out.
We should expect another large increase, if they think that they can get in on that.


Stunning claim, they estimate the amount of illegals in the Houston area is over 600,000.

[Free Vulcan]

I'd keep them together, and use DACA as leverage to extract big concessions.

But of course the GOP won't do that. It's not bipahtisan enough.

[Emjay]

Any illegal immigration is too much, but I had not heard that the figures are back up.

We shouldn't assume anything is true because a reporter says it is.