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Re: GOP senators call on Bannon, Trump to lay off incumbents
« Reply #50 on: September 13, 2017, 02:19:28 AM »
I know, I know...you'd have ditched Churchill because we weren't in Berlin in '41...


But in the real world, we sometimes have to play with an imperfect hand, because the alternative is worse.

Does that mean we shouldn't primary Flake or other Establishment types? No. But we have to be smart and not put in Chris Coons, etc.

Or you can not buy into the sham at all and send pols backing every term or give them the threat of it. As for what the Rats do who gives a shit. Coons would have won that state no matter what. Know why? Because it is a Rat state. Even if his challenger won, the next second the losers in DE had a chance to boot the R out they would have. Beyond that the Rats haven't been doing to well in other parts of the country the last 8 years, now have they.

Rolling over for losers like Flake just so McConnell can sit in a better office while the rest of the country continues down the road to ruin in patently stupid establishment bullshit. Feel free to keep sending your checks to the effing RNC to prop up their losers. In the meantime I will be doing everything I can to blow it up. They serve no purpose in my life.
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Re: GOP senators call on Bannon, Trump to lay off incumbents
« Reply #51 on: September 13, 2017, 10:40:28 AM »
A fair description, but Pres. Trump would sign any bill the Pubs put on his desk and call it the greatest victory ever. So why can't the Pubs take this generational opportunity and actually put the bills on the President's desk for him to sign?

I think the root of the problem is the Pub party has no discipline. There are no consequences for going against the party on major issues. I don't see the Pubs ever developing any party discipline until there are real consequences for lying to their voters and taking money from their voters on false pretenses. The only way this happens is to stop voting for the liars and cheats.

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Oh, I agree that the Republicans are useless.  It's a sick irony that this potentially fantastic opportunity is being squandered by those invertebrates.  But Trump is just as much to blame.

I personally don't think those consequences will ever happen, will least not enough to matter.  There are too many voters willing to come back for more punishment and to support Republicans no matter what.  And the Repubs know it.
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Re: GOP senators call on Bannon, Trump to lay off incumbents
« Reply #52 on: September 13, 2017, 10:48:17 AM »
"Puh-leaze, massa' Bannon, don't fling us in dat brier patch!"
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Re: GOP senators call on Bannon, Trump to lay off incumbents
« Reply #53 on: September 13, 2017, 11:06:44 AM »
Peace, Applewood.  You have just accepted defeat.  Especially when you actually say you would not vote for Ted Cruz if he ran as a Republican.  I hope you're just blowing off steam with that one.

The Republican party has been a disappointment this year and they have used Trump as a foil for their stubbornness and incompetence.

But it doesn't have to stay that way.  We have a core of excellent conservatives and we can get more.  Even a few more at a time will help enormously.

Much more do-able than dreaming about a third party which you would probably become disillusioned with in 3-2-1.

That's why I'm okay with making those incumbents defend themselves and earn the nomination.

What I've accepted is that the Republican Party will never be conservative again.  These days, it's not much different from the liberal Democrats. 

You say the party has been a disappointment THIS YEAR?  No, it's gone on a lot longer than that.  Republicans make promises to voters they have no intention of keeping.  But we voters are lulled into believing that this time it will be different.  And of course, it never is. 

Throughout the Obama regime, we were told that the party could do nothing because the Democrats were in charge.  But then Republicans took control of both houses of congress and starting in January of this year, they took over the presidency too.  A perfect opportunity at last to finally do what they promised the voters.  But 9 months into this year, they have accomplished nothing.  Why?  Well, I don't think they ever had any intention of keeping those promises.  They are liars, cheats and frauds just like the Democrats. 

It is long past time to develop a real third party in this country.  Unfortunately, it seems people like you are stuck on the 2-party system.  Where is it written that we have to have just 2 parties?  Why do we have to be stuck today with  choices that aren't really any choice at all. 

You're right.  There are some conservative voices left.  But those voices are drowned out by the bleating of the liberal Republican sheep.  There really aren't that many true conservatives out there.  There are plenty of phonies. We have elected quite a few of them.  They either lied about their ideology or once they were elected, they  were lured away from whatever principles they may have had with the promise of money and power.  Anyone who really is a conservative needs to break away from the liberal Republican Party.  They aren't going to change the party.  If anything, the party might change them.

I'm tired of business as usual.  I'm tired of promises that won't be kept. No, thank you.  I will stay as a registered independent.  Sooner or later, the Republican Party will go the way of the Whigs.  This country doesn't need 2 liberal parties.  One will have to go and more likely, the one to go will be the Republican Party.  Good riddance.

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Re: GOP senators call on Bannon, Trump to lay off incumbents
« Reply #54 on: September 13, 2017, 11:09:33 AM »
I support federalism and don't need Trump or Bannon attempting to stand in the way of it.

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Re: GOP senators call on Bannon, Trump to lay off incumbents
« Reply #55 on: September 13, 2017, 11:14:01 AM »
What I've accepted is that the Republican Party will never be conservative again.  These days, it's not much different from the liberal Democrats. 

You say the party has been a disappointment THIS YEAR?  No, it's gone on a lot longer than that.  Republicans make promises to voters they have no intention of keeping.  But we voters are lulled into believing that this time it will be different.  And of course, it never is. 

Throughout the Obama regime, we were told that the party could do nothing because the Democrats were in charge.  But then Republicans took control of both houses of congress and starting in January of this year, they took over the presidency too.  A perfect opportunity at last to finally do what they promised the voters.  But 9 months into this year, they have accomplished nothing.  Why?  Well, I don't think they ever had any intention of keeping those promises.  They are liars, cheats and frauds just like the Democrats. 

It is long past time to develop a real third party in this country.  Unfortunately, it seems people like you are stuck on the 2-party system.  Where is it written that we have to have just 2 parties?  Why do we have to be stuck today with  choices that aren't really any choice at all. 

You're right.  There are some conservative voices left.  But those voices are drowned out by the bleating of the liberal Republican sheep.  There really aren't that many true conservatives out there.  There are plenty of phonies. We have elected quite a few of them.  They either lied about their ideology or once they were elected, they  were lured away from whatever principles they may have had with the promise of money and power.  Anyone who really is a conservative needs to break away from the liberal Republican Party.  They aren't going to change the party.  If anything, the party might change them.

I'm tired of business as usual.  I'm tired of promises that won't be kept. No, thank you.  I will stay as a registered independent.  Sooner or later, the Republican Party will go the way of the Whigs.  This country doesn't need 2 liberal parties.  One will have to go and more likely, the one to go will be the Republican Party.  Good riddance.

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Re: GOP senators call on Bannon, Trump to lay off incumbents
« Reply #56 on: September 13, 2017, 11:23:05 AM »
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It is long past time to develop a real third party in this country.  Unfortunately, it seems people like you are stuck on the 2-party system.  Where is it written that we have to have just 2 parties?  Why do we have to be stuck today with  choices that aren't really any choice at all. 
Duverger's Law. With three or more parties, two of them can gang up on the third to destroy it.

Let's use the 2013 shutdown as a benchmark. Say that we have about 50-50 Democrats to Republicans now. About 15 sided with Cruz on the budget standoff over Obamacare, so let's assume they're the 15% of Americans who would associated with this conservative party. So, if there's a split, it becomes 50% Democrat, 35% Republican, and 15% new party.

Now let's assume that the new party refuses to budge on principle and considers the other two a "uniparty." The Republicans take it seriously and make deals with the Democrats, whose sole goal in life is to maintain power. So now you're back to a two-party system, but now the progressive uniparty has 85% and your new, pure, conservative party is now at a literally useless 15%. As the uniparty hijacks the system, begins controlling the message, and discredits the "fringe" new party and silly notions like there not being a right to other people's goods or services, fewer people take it seriously and that 15% drops, in short order, to zero.

You now have a progressive, socialist state with one party rule, making the situation worse.

A third party should be a last resort when nobody represents the truth.
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Re: GOP senators call on Bannon, Trump to lay off incumbents
« Reply #57 on: September 13, 2017, 03:42:02 PM »
Duverger's Law. With three or more parties, two of them can gang up on the third to destroy it.

You cannot destroy principles.  Corruption is employed to ensure those with principles are prohibited from being in a position of power.  That is one definition of tyranny.

Now let's assume that the new party refuses to budge on principle and considers the other two a "uniparty." The Republicans take it seriously and make deals with the Democrats, whose sole goal in life is to maintain power. So now you're back to a two-party system, but now the progressive uniparty has 85% and your new, pure, conservative party is now at a literally useless 15%.

That is precisely where we are already at. 

No harm comes from separating oneself from corruption and maintaining and promoting the principles the other two parties have soundly rejected in favor of embracing Statism.  You are looking at all of this backwards and attempting to suggest political power is a top-on-down procedure relegated to voting for a monarchy that gives people what they want and all we have to do is keep voting for the monarchy and one day the right people will do something that benefits liberty.

Doesn't work that way.  We've devolved to a pure mobocracy.  If the people want Socialism and Statism, they shall have it - and this is indeed what they want as long as they get to cover it up in their own brand of chocolate sauce.

You now have a progressive, socialist state with one party rule, making the situation worse.

We are already there.  Wake up and look around.

A third party should be a last resort when nobody represents the truth.

Nobody in either party currently represents 'the truth'.    If you do not see the necessity for a third party now, you never will because you will continue to make this same exact excuse cycle after cycle after cycle until one day you actually wake up to realize we went full Soviet right under your nose.
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Re: GOP senators call on Bannon, Trump to lay off incumbents
« Reply #58 on: September 13, 2017, 03:49:15 PM »
What I've accepted is that the Republican Party will never be conservative again. 

It never really was in the first place. Reagan paved it into a home for Conservatism, but only among the grassroots that the party has demonstrated it holds in utter contempt.

It is imposible for it to be a Conservative party ever again given how they have rewritten the rules in the last several sets of conventions.  Conservatives are out.  Told to get in line, or get punched in the nose and told to leave by the party leadership itself.


These days, it's not much different from the liberal Democrats. 

They are worse.  They lie to their base and continue to insist they are Conservative while actually imposing Obama's agenda themselves.

It is long past time to develop a real third party in this country.  Unfortunately, it seems people like you are stuck on the 2-party system. 

A perfect example of that is posted above.

There are some conservative voices left.  But those voices are drowned out by the bleating of the liberal Republican sheep.  There really aren't that many true conservatives out there.  There are plenty of phonies. We have elected quite a few of them.  They either lied about their ideology or once they were elected, they  were lured away from whatever principles they may have had with the promise of money and power.  Anyone who really is a conservative needs to break away from the liberal Republican Party.  They aren't going to change the party.  If anything, the party might change them.

AMEN!  and  AMEN!!!!

Exactly correct.  Remaining in corruption for poet's sake only guarantees being corrupted.

This country doesn't need 2 liberal parties.

Sure it does.  The shell game and con has to continue for a little while longer.  One party is Marxist/Communist and the other party will be Nationalist Socialist Populist, both will continue to declare themselves either "progressive" or 'Conservative" when neither of them are either definition.
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Re: GOP senators call on Bannon, Trump to lay off incumbents
« Reply #59 on: September 13, 2017, 04:48:34 PM »
Duverger's Law. With three or more parties, two of them can gang up on the third to destroy it.

Let's use the 2013 shutdown as a benchmark. Say that we have about 50-50 Democrats to Republicans now. About 15 sided with Cruz on the budget standoff over Obamacare, so let's assume they're the 15% of Americans who would associated with this conservative party. So, if there's a split, it becomes 50% Democrat, 35% Republican, and 15% new party.

Now let's assume that the new party refuses to budge on principle and considers the other two a "uniparty." The Republicans take it seriously and make deals with the Democrats, whose sole goal in life is to maintain power. So now you're back to a two-party system, but now the progressive uniparty has 85% and your new, pure, conservative party is now at a literally useless 15%. As the uniparty hijacks the system, begins controlling the message, and discredits the "fringe" new party and silly notions like there not being a right to other people's goods or services, fewer people take it seriously and that 15% drops, in short order, to zero.

You now have a progressive, socialist state with one party rule, making the situation worse.

A third party should be a last resort when nobody represents the truth.

Trump would have been a good third party candidate because he appealed to the masses.  Reminds me of the great Savior, H. Ross perot.  Perot gave us 8 years of Bill Clinton.

Our best bet is to work within the party and try to move it more to the right.  We have elections in 2018 and 2020 which would enable us to do that if we would get behind a conservative candidate ... and, yes, primary the do nothings.

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Re: GOP senators call on Bannon, Trump to lay off incumbents
« Reply #60 on: September 13, 2017, 04:58:07 PM »
Trump would have been a good third party candidate because he appealed to the masses.  Reminds me of the great Savior, H. Ross perot.  Perot gave us 8 years of Bill Clinton.

Our best bet is to work within the party and try to move it more to the right.  We have elections in 2018 and 2020 which would enable us to do that if we would get behind a conservative candidate ... and, yes, primary the do nothings.

63+ Million Americans voted for President Trump.

If he were to declare himself the head of the Constitution Party, every single voter would follow him.

That, my FRiend, would make the [fill-in-the-blank] GOP candidate, the Third Party spoiler.

The Republican Party will commit hari kari if they keep this sh*t up.
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« Reply #61 on: September 13, 2017, 05:21:51 PM »
Our best bet is to work within the party and try to move it more to the right. 

Been practicing that insipid insanity for three decades plus.

It doesn't work.  It will never work.  The rules were rewritten in the last 3 cycles to ensure that never happens.

But, please - continue practicing insanity if it helps you sleep at night.

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Re: GOP senators call on Bannon, Trump to lay off incumbents
« Reply #62 on: September 13, 2017, 05:47:21 PM »
63+ Million Americans voted for President Trump.

If he were to declare himself the head of the Constitution Party, every single voter would follow him.

That, my FRiend, would make the [fill-in-the-blank] GOP candidate, the Third Party spoiler.

The Republican Party will commit hari kari if they keep this sh*t up.

Absolutely false.
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Re: GOP senators call on Bannon, Trump to lay off incumbents
« Reply #63 on: September 13, 2017, 06:05:42 PM »
Absolutely false.

No Trump voter is going to change their mind.

We chose him...an outsider among 16 others. 

This entire propaganda HATE/RACIST campaign is to rile up the great unwashed masses in the DEM Party who didn't get off their asses to vote.

Nothing more than that.
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Re: GOP senators call on Bannon, Trump to lay off incumbents
« Reply #64 on: September 13, 2017, 06:17:14 PM »
No Trump voter is going to change their mind.


Wrong.

Many pulled for the big red 'R'
Many were 'Anyone but Hillary'
There are no principles behind it.
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Re: GOP senators call on Bannon, Trump to lay off incumbents
« Reply #65 on: September 13, 2017, 06:33:18 PM »
63+ Million Americans voted for President Trump.

If he were to declare himself the head of the Constitution Party, every single voter would follow him.

That, my FRiend, would make the [fill-in-the-blank] GOP candidate, the Third Party spoiler.

The Republican Party will commit hari kari if they keep this sh*t up.

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I wouldn't follow him. 

How would he "declare" himself head of the Constitution Party?  Divine right?
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« Reply #66 on: September 13, 2017, 06:38:32 PM »
63+ Million Americans voted for President Trump.

If he were to declare himself the head of the Constitution Party, every single voter would follow him.

That, my FRiend, would make the [fill-in-the-blank] GOP candidate, the Third Party spoiler.

The Republican Party will commit hari kari if they keep this sh*t up.


Actually millions voted against Hillary, the lesser of two evil thing. Unless he faces another Hillary, if he even makes it that far, he'll be one and done.

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Re: GOP senators call on Bannon, Trump to lay off incumbents
« Reply #67 on: September 13, 2017, 06:43:54 PM »
@DCPatriot

I wouldn't follow him. 

How would he "declare" himself head of the Constitution Party?  Divine right?

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The Constitution Party, unlike others, has means testing... Anyone can join the party, but to run for office, you have to enjoin their beliefs.

I do not believe the Constitution Party would have him.

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« Reply #68 on: September 13, 2017, 06:49:25 PM »
63+ Million Americans voted for President Trump.

If he were to declare himself the head of the Constitution Party, every single voter would follow him.

That, my FRiend, would make the [fill-in-the-blank] GOP candidate, the Third Party spoiler.

The Republican Party will commit hari kari if they keep this sh*t up.

You're kidding.   That was satire, right?  Sarcasm? 

Trump can declare himself to be anything he pleases..... that won't make it so AND it won't make people that know better (not you, apparently) follow him blindly and unquestionably. 

Catch.... a..... clue.

His kissy face dinner with Chucky & Nancy tonight will make history all right.  But it won't be the kind of history people like you will be wanting.


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« Reply #69 on: September 13, 2017, 06:49:53 PM »
63+ Million Americans voted for President Trump.

If he were to declare himself the head of the Constitution Party, every single voter would follow him.

That, my FRiend, would make the [fill-in-the-blank] GOP candidate, the Third Party spoiler.

The Republican Party will commit hari kari if they keep this sh*t up.

Waidaminit!  Is this like him being able to shoot someone in Times Square?
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Re: GOP senators call on Bannon, Trump to lay off incumbents
« Reply #70 on: September 13, 2017, 06:53:09 PM »
You're kidding.   That was satire, right?  Sarcasm? 

Trump can declare himself to be anything he pleases..... that won't make it so AND it won't make people that know better (not you, apparently) follow him blindly and unquestionably. 

Catch.... a..... clue.

His kissy face dinner with Chucky & Nancy tonight will make history all right.  But it won't be the kind of history people like you will be wanting.

What he's saying is that Trump could now run as a Democrat and they'd vote for him. What he doesn't realize is he's was already there.
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Re: GOP senators call on Bannon, Trump to lay off incumbents
« Reply #71 on: September 13, 2017, 06:54:35 PM »
Waidaminit!  Is this like him being able to shoot someone in Times Square?

Nah....nothing like that.  It was Fifth Avenue (big/long street).  He's got a LOT more range than just Times Square!  lolol
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Re: GOP senators call on Bannon, Trump to lay off incumbents
« Reply #72 on: September 13, 2017, 06:55:45 PM »
No Trump voter is going to change their mind.

We chose him...an outsider among 16 others. 

This entire propaganda HATE/RACIST campaign is to rile up the great unwashed masses in the DEM Party who didn't get off their asses to vote.

Nothing more than that.

I just have to laugh every time some Trump worshipper calls the consummate insider an outsider. 

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Re: GOP senators call on Bannon, Trump to lay off incumbents
« Reply #73 on: September 13, 2017, 06:56:45 PM »
Duverger's Law. With three or more parties, two of them can gang up on the third to destroy it.

Let's use the 2013 shutdown as a benchmark. Say that we have about 50-50 Democrats to Republicans now. About 15 sided with Cruz on the budget standoff over Obamacare, so let's assume they're the 15% of Americans who would associated with this conservative party. So, if there's a split, it becomes 50% Democrat, 35% Republican, and 15% new party.

Now let's assume that the new party refuses to budge on principle and considers the other two a "uniparty." The Republicans take it seriously and make deals with the Democrats, whose sole goal in life is to maintain power. So now you're back to a two-party system, but now the progressive uniparty has 85% and your new, pure, conservative party is now at a literally useless 15%. As the uniparty hijacks the system, begins controlling the message, and discredits the "fringe" new party and silly notions like there not being a right to other people's goods or services, fewer people take it seriously and that 15% drops, in short order, to zero.

You now have a progressive, socialist state with one party rule, making the situation worse.

A third party should be a last resort when nobody represents the truth.

Then why do parliamentary democracies have more than two parties?

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Re: GOP senators call on Bannon, Trump to lay off incumbents
« Reply #74 on: September 13, 2017, 06:56:52 PM »
What he's saying is that Trump could now ran as a Democrat and they'd vote for him. What he doesn't realize is he's was already there.

Yeah.... and as I recall, back during the GOP primary....it was Democrats that were ""crossing over"" and voting for Trump....

just like they did when McLame McCain was running for pres.   

Hmmm.....

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