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Re: Tidal wave of support for Colorado baker hits Supreme Court
« Reply #50 on: September 13, 2017, 04:18:05 pm »
Of course.  It's a product of using what God gave us.... a brain, discernment and common sense.... none of which liberals and/or 'some' that pretend not to be liberals seem to have....lol.

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Re: Tidal wave of support for Colorado baker hits Supreme Court
« Reply #51 on: September 13, 2017, 04:18:40 pm »
You're right.  More people have died in the name of God than any other reason.   Maybe it's time to wake up and realize the foolishness and destructiveness of man's obsession with religious tribalism.

 

I'll be waiting for you to try and enforce that idea.

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Re: Tidal wave of support for Colorado baker hits Supreme Court
« Reply #52 on: September 13, 2017, 04:19:11 pm »
I think Mao and Stalin each are listed at killing, well, it's a very high number. I think in even saying Communism killed 100,000,000 is understating it. They are atheists as well; might as well just say atheists killed these people. 

They lump together, we should too.

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Re: Tidal wave of support for Colorado baker hits Supreme Court
« Reply #53 on: September 13, 2017, 04:19:49 pm »
http://www.christianpost.com/news/bakeries-can-refuse-bible-verses-but-not-gay-weddings-colorado-decides-136971/

Bakers in CO can refuse to put Bible verses on a cake, but Phillips has to attend re-education classes.  This is un-American. 

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« Reply #54 on: September 13, 2017, 04:20:33 pm »
Not to mention... the millions of deaths that came from communism and communist dictators throughout the world.... who are vehemently anti-Christian, anti-religion and ergo, anti-God.

Yes, it's amazing how the religion hating atheists are the biggest sticklers about correctly following the collectivist dogma and doctrine, or die.
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« Reply #55 on: September 13, 2017, 04:21:32 pm »
Not sure about this; Communism killed at least 100,000,000 in the last century.

Islam has killed millions, Christianity had their crusades alright. Still, it should not be lumped together with Islam.


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Re: Tidal wave of support for Colorado baker hits Supreme Court
« Reply #56 on: September 13, 2017, 04:25:43 pm »
Yes, it's amazing how the religion hating atheists are the biggest sticklers about correctly following the collectivist dogma and doctrine, or die.

The very impetus that motivates our resident Leftist as well.  He just tries to hide it within clever and reasonable-sounding arguments while he champions the state putting a gun to your head while ordering you to "Bake the effing cake!" and whatever else he empowers the state to do to force collectivist dogma and doctrine.
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Re: Tidal wave of support for Colorado baker hits Supreme Court
« Reply #57 on: September 13, 2017, 04:26:10 pm »
http://www.christianpost.com/news/bakeries-can-refuse-bible-verses-but-not-gay-weddings-colorado-decides-136971/

Bakers in CO can refuse to put Bible verses on a cake, but Phillips has to attend re-education classes.  This is un-American.

Perfect illustration of the hypocrisy of the liberals position on this issue. Your belief, your morality is ok if you don't want Bible verses on a cake, but you must bake that cake if that person is gay, or transsexual. The govt picks our morality and beliefs, and gives certain groups morality favor over others, all in the name of the 14th amendment.

Yet the result is more unequal while the State plays Church.
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Re: Tidal wave of support for Colorado baker hits Supreme Court
« Reply #58 on: September 13, 2017, 04:28:51 pm »
You're right.  More people have died in the name of God than any other reason.   Maybe it's time to wake up and realize the foolishness and destructiveness of man's obsession with religious tribalism.

Comments like this, along with attempts to define conservatism for others, is what has people looking for the name of the poster then walk off shaking their heads. **nononono*
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Re: Tidal wave of support for Colorado baker hits Supreme Court
« Reply #59 on: September 13, 2017, 04:31:57 pm »
Perfect illustration of the hypocrisy of the liberals position on this issue. Your belief, your morality is ok if you don't want Bible verses on a cake, but you must bake that cake if that person is gay, or transsexual. The govt picks our morality and beliefs, and gives certain groups morality favor over others, all in the name of the 14th amendment.

Yet the result is more unequal while the State plays Church.

Bingo.  The state BECOMES the church - using the force of the color of law to tell you whether or not your beliefs are permitted or restricted.  Failure to comply results in punishment - to loud cheers and applause of tyrants like our resident Leftist.

Like I originally said, this kind of crap is how bloodbaths are started - or a people are subjugated with a boot on their necks and every thought monitored for obeisance to the state.
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« Reply #60 on: September 13, 2017, 04:33:27 pm »
The very impetus that motivates our resident Leftist as well.  He just tries to hide it within clever and reasonable-sounding arguments while he champions the state putting a gun to your head while ordering you to "Bake the effing cake!" and whatever else he empowers the state to do to force collectivist dogma and doctrine.

That's the hypocrisy of the leftist position. Talk about Jesus and Christian compassion all you want as long as it's liberals spending billions on a wasteful bureaucratic social program, but don't you dare not bake that cake for that gay person. But you can discriminate as long as it's not one of the govt approved grievance groups, or you are professing a morality that is not counter to what the govt allows.

That is the heart of this debate, and the liberals don't want to acknowledge it. The govt picks and chooses who is equal and not under the 14th amendment, as the State plays the Church and determines our national morality, and those righteous and unrighteous under it.
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« Reply #61 on: September 13, 2017, 04:37:24 pm »
You do indeed. Yet you retain your religious freedom, and the freedom to turn down work, for whatever reason. Maybe you want to go on vacation. Maybe your sister is getting married. Maybe you just don't wanna.

No, you don't, not without qualification. 

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Re: Tidal wave of support for Colorado baker hits Supreme Court
« Reply #62 on: September 13, 2017, 05:29:37 pm »
Not sure about this; Communism killed at least 100,000,000 in the last century.

Islam has killed millions, Christianity had their crusades alright. Still, it should not be lumped together with Islam.

Not to mention the historical fact.... that the crusades only occurred because of and as a result of radical Islam trying to take over other cultures and nations. 

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« Reply #63 on: September 13, 2017, 05:32:56 pm »
No, you don't, not without qualification.

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« Reply #64 on: September 13, 2017, 05:51:55 pm »
Then you are violating the 14th amendment. Either all are the same or what you advocate is a national code of morality and a caste system, with the FedGov playing God and determining the righteous and unrighteous ones. You can't say people can't act on their religious beliefs, then turn around and force your own religion on them.

Stop playing the drama queen.   It's simple as can be -  exercise complete freedom in deciding whether or not you'll bake wedding cakes.  If you do, then serve the customers who've come in for the service you've said you'd provide. 

It's really just a matter of being decent and honorable.   Even Christians can manage that, I would think.   
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Re: Tidal wave of support for Colorado baker hits Supreme Court
« Reply #65 on: September 13, 2017, 05:58:24 pm »
Stop playing the drama queen.   It's simple as can be -  exercise complete freedom in deciding whether or not you'll bake wedding cakes.  If you do, then serve the customers who've come in for the service you've said you'd provide. 

It's really just a matter of being decent and honorable.   Even Christians can manage that, I would think.

I refuse to celebrate wickedness such as adultery, abortion and homosexuality with the business services I advertise that I provide.   I refuse to create any marketing vehicles that support or aid Democrats and the Leftist agenda.

Now, if meddlesome busybody tyrants want to put a gun to my head to force me to do so, this is why we have a Second Amendment.
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Re: Tidal wave of support for Colorado baker hits Supreme Court
« Reply #66 on: September 13, 2017, 06:03:24 pm »
Stop playing the drama queen.   It's simple as can be -  exercise complete freedom in deciding whether or not you'll bake wedding cakes.  If you do, then serve the customers who've come in for the service you've said you'd provide. 

It's really just a matter of being decent and honorable.   Even Christians can manage that, I would think.

Fine, advertise as a provider of heterosexual marriage wedding cakes.

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Re: Tidal wave of support for Colorado baker hits Supreme Court
« Reply #67 on: September 13, 2017, 06:09:26 pm »
Stop playing the drama queen.   It's simple as can be -  exercise complete freedom in deciding whether or not you'll bake wedding cakes.  If you do, then serve the customers who've come in for the service you've said you'd provide. 

It's really just a matter of being decent and honorable.   Even Christians can manage that, I would think.

Obviously you don't like what I say because it brings out the hypocritical inconsistency of your position. You're not going to pull your little liberal framing garbage on me. This is a broad issue that isn't just about not baking a wedding cake for gays.

By that token then a vendor has no right to express their morality, but their customers can express any morality they choose, as long as the are a govt protected grievance group. Those that aren't don't get that right. A very unequal application of the 14th amendment, and a violation of the Separation of Church and State.

Which is even more egregious in the case of transsexuals and public accomodation. Transsexualism is a BELIEF with no basis in science. Yet the govt has chosen to not only honor that BELIEF but exclude other beliefs and identities as not having the same rights. For example those who identify as transspecies, transracial, or transageist. Furthermore anyone who's BELIEF disagrees with a transsexual's BELIEF is given a lesser status of rights, even there is no science to back a transsexual's claims.

That extends to wedding services such as cakes. By your logic me as the baker should honor two transsexuals' marriage to each other, even though it is nothing but a BELIEF, yet somehow that BELIEF overrides my BELIEF.

How exactly is that not govt sponsored inequality and the State playing Church and deciding morality?
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« Reply #68 on: September 13, 2017, 06:13:05 pm »
Fine, advertise as a provider of heterosexual marriage wedding cakes.

That is illegal and discriminatory according to the radical hedonist Leftists, and using the government force one to celebrate deviancy in the name of diversity and inclusiveness is the "law of the land" according to them.

Which is why I said - wars and bloodbaths happen when such people push for the punishment of those who refuse to comply.
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« Reply #69 on: September 13, 2017, 06:20:33 pm »
You're right.  More people have died in the name of God than any other reason.   Maybe it's time to wake up and realize the foolishness and destructiveness of man's obsession with religious tribalism.

 

Ummm, no.   Communism has killed more people in the last century that have ever been killed "in the name of God".  You really don't believe this, do you?

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« Reply #70 on: September 13, 2017, 06:25:14 pm »
Ummm, no.   Communism has killed more people in the last century that have ever been killed "in the name of God".  You really don't believe this, do you?

The bible is abhorrent to him outside of whatever he wants to pick and choose off the Sermon on the Mount buffet table.  His real faith is in Social Justice by the hands of the secular state.
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« Reply #71 on: September 13, 2017, 06:27:06 pm »
Ummm, no.   Communism has killed more people in the last century that have ever been killed "in the name of God".  You really don't believe this, do you?

That's your defense of religion?  That communism is worse?   *****rollingeyes*****
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« Reply #72 on: September 13, 2017, 06:28:15 pm »
The bible is abhorrent to him outside of whatever he wants to pick and choose off the Sermon on the Mount buffet table.  His real faith is in Social Justice by the hands of the secular state.

No, my faith is in Jesus Christ.  Not in your sick vision of religious tribalism and violence. 
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« Reply #73 on: September 13, 2017, 06:28:44 pm »
That's your defense of religion?  That communism is worse?   *****rollingeyes*****

It would seem you're being a drama queen while ignoring the much more factually worse problem.
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« Reply #74 on: September 13, 2017, 06:30:33 pm »
No, my faith is in Jesus Christ.  Not in your sick vision of religious tribalism and violence.

So we can have religious belief if it is govt approved religious belief, such as supporting some new entitlement program for the poor? But we can't if it's something that disagrees with the govt approved morality, like baking cakes for gay weddings.
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