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Re: Replacing the Republican Party
« Reply #550 on: August 24, 2017, 03:49:55 am »
You people can laud Ted Cruz all you want.

Do you REALLY think things would be better with a President Ted Cruz?

The intimation by McConnell that with a POTUS with more political experience that things would get done?

WHERE is the health care reform?

WHERE is the immigration reform?

WHERE is the tax reform?

nonexistent

I'm telling you with a more "experienced POTUS" things wouldn't have magically gotten better.

There is a better chance that they would be WORSE.

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Re: Replacing the Republican Party
« Reply #551 on: August 24, 2017, 03:55:56 am »

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Do you REALLY think things would be better with a President Ted Cruz?

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There is a better chance that they would be WORSE.

Wasn't Cruz already in conflict with McConnell, before the primaries?

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Re: Replacing the Republican Party
« Reply #552 on: August 24, 2017, 03:58:43 am »
Wasn't Cruz already in conflict with McConnell, before the primaries?

You mean Lyin' Ted?  Son of a Presidential assassin with an ugly wife?  Who knows.  He lies.  Right after he puts that Bible down, I hear.
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Re: Replacing the Republican Party
« Reply #553 on: August 24, 2017, 04:06:47 am »
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Quote from: Emjay on Today at 09:14:46 PM
.... you may have left the party but most conservatives haven't because the party is our best chance for achieving conservative goals.

After over 520 posts, this is a simple statement of fact; of the Truth.

Oh really?    Please list the fruits of the thirty years that prove your party is the best chance for achieving Conservative goals.

Where are we MORE Conservative in this country by the hand of the GOP than we were 30 years ago?  I keep watching you people move the goalposts Left and declare Touchdown! at your own 30 yard line.

I see a nation that has become a Socialist Democracy in those 30 intervening years since Reagan.  I've watched your party's promises become as worthless as dried up burnt leaves in a windstorm.  I've watched your party go to war on Conservatives, marginalize them, threaten them and write them out of relevance in the rules changes they have made, while embracing just about every single Democrat agenda-item on the docket including funding and refusing to repeal or rescind abject tyranny passed in the middle of the night without a single representative having read the bill.

No.  That statement is NOT the truth.  It's what people who do not want to be told that Santa and the Easter Bunny are not real do to hold onto the illusions they repeat to themselves so as to rest comfortably in their Normalcy Bias.
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Re: Replacing the Republican Party
« Reply #554 on: August 24, 2017, 04:28:46 am »
You people can laud Ted Cruz all you want.

Do you REALLY think things would be better with a President Ted Cruz?

The intimation by McConnell that with a POTUS with more political experience that things would get done?

WHERE is the health care reform?

WHERE is the immigration reform?

WHERE is the tax reform?

nonexistent

I'm telling you with a more "experienced POTUS" things wouldn't have magically gotten better.

There is a better chance that they would be WORSE.

No one is saying that the 'obstructionism' by the RINO's would be any less under Cruz; what has been said is Cruz is the better person.  Trump has created a lot of the resistance he's experiencing for being such a pompous, crude, arrogant, lying, s.o.b. during the campaign. Meanwhile ... you have the DEMS absolutely befuddled because they thought that Hillary had the presidency in the bag and the RINO's are befuddled because with Hillary at least their country club wouldn't have been upset. Who knows how the RINO's would have adjusted to a President Cruz.  I do know that at least Cruz would have the advantage of already knowing how the government functions and he would have picked different people other than Priebus and Bannon, etc., and certainly his children wouldn't be occupying the West Wing. Also Cruz wouldn't have insulted everybody and his brother along the way creating more enemies then when he started.  I believe he would have worked with the Freedom caucus instead of slamming them as Trump has done. I also believe that Cruz rather than threatening people and announcing his next steps to draw attention; he would have just gone ahead and done it. I don't believe Cruz would spend time tweeting back and forth; Cruz didn't create a three ring circus, Trump has.  Trump's biggest downfall is his narcissistic personality and his loud mouth and the DEMS and the MSM have preyed on this since he began his political journey. 
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Re: Replacing the Republican Party
« Reply #555 on: August 24, 2017, 04:30:08 am »
Well, when I consciously remember the quote, I know I am.  Under the guise of "conscience" Cruz was saying "I don't support Donald Trump for President".  Scratch the surface of this statement a little deeper, and he was saying:  "I can live with Hillary Clinton as POTUS".

Like it or not, Cruz was and will remain frozen in that moment in time a small-minded, whining, self-serving politician prepared to sell out this nation for four years because his feelings were hurt.   Insult to this self-inflicted injury:  This was his choice.    :shrug:


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Re: Replacing the Republican Party
« Reply #556 on: August 24, 2017, 04:31:55 am »

Do you REALLY think things would be better with a President Ted Cruz?


Infinitely so.

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Re: Replacing the Republican Party
« Reply #557 on: August 24, 2017, 04:32:05 am »
No, @Bigun   I'm begging you to let go of the Trump v Cruz  :bs:  It's over.  Let it go.

Keep bringing up the primary and dissing Trump because he won and Cruz lost, just keeps the wound open and Cruz will be the loser for it.

Your choice.

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You say that like it's a bad thing. Cruz is nothing but a spineless weasel.
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Re: Replacing the Republican Party
« Reply #558 on: August 24, 2017, 04:38:45 am »
Wasn't Cruz already in conflict with McConnell, before the primaries?

Absolutely.  Cruz has been in conflict with him shortly after he took office.  McConnell asked him to join the GOP leadership as vice chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee.  Cruz soon learned that the NRSC's intent was to support incumbents in the primaries and go against conservative challengers.  He didn't resign, but he stopped asking donors to support the NRSC -- that didn't sit well with many, nor did it sit well with Mitch.  Cruz also had a run in with him over TPP and took to the Senate floor and called him out for the liar that he is.
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Re: Replacing the Republican Party
« Reply #559 on: August 24, 2017, 04:43:39 am »
Oh really?    Please list the fruits of the thirty years that prove your party is the best chance for achieving Conservative goals.

Where are we MORE Conservative in this country by the hand of the GOP than we were 30 years ago?  I keep watching you people move the goalposts Left and declare Touchdown! at your own 30 yard line.

I see a nation that has become a Socialist Democracy in those 30 intervening years since Reagan.  I've watched your party's promises become as worthless as dried up burnt leaves in a windstorm.  I've watched your party go to war on Conservatives, marginalize them, threaten them and write them out of relevance in the rules changes they have made, while embracing just about every single Democrat agenda-item on the docket including funding and refusing to repeal or rescind abject tyranny passed in the middle of the night without a single representative having read the bill.

No.  That statement is NOT the truth.  It's what people who do not want to be told that Santa and the Easter Bunny are not real do to hold onto the illusions they repeat to themselves so as to rest comfortably in their Normalcy Bias.

I agree; the GOPe certainly has declared war on conservatism.  The past several general election cycles have proven that.  McCain - Romney - Trump?  Seriously??
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Re: Replacing the Republican Party
« Reply #560 on: August 24, 2017, 04:49:00 am »
No one is saying that the 'obstructionism' by the RINO's would be any less under Cruz; what has been said is Cruz is the better person.  Trump has created a lot of the resistance he's experiencing for being such a pompous, crude, arrogant, lying, s.o.b. during the campaign. Meanwhile ... you have the DEMS absolutely befuddled because they thought that Hillary had the presidency in the bag and the RINO's are befuddled because with Hillary at least their country club wouldn't have been upset. Who knows how the RINO's would have adjusted to a President Cruz.  I do know that at least Cruz would have the advantage of already knowing how the government functions and he would have picked different people other than Priebus and Bannon, etc., and certainly his children wouldn't be occupying the West Wing. Also Cruz wouldn't have insulted everybody and his brother along the way creating more enemies then when he started.  I believe he would have worked with the Freedom caucus instead of slamming them as Trump has done. I also believe that Cruz rather than threatening people and announcing his next steps to draw attention; he would have just gone ahead and done it. I don't believe Cruz would spend time tweeting back and forth; Cruz didn't create a three ring circus, Trump has.  Trump's biggest downfall is his narcissistic personality and his loud mouth and the DEMS and the MSM have preyed on this since he began his political journey. 


   Brilliant analysis @libertybele Thanks for sharing



   I also believe Pres. Cruz would not have hesitated to sign an EO cutting off the Congressional subsidies for their vaulted Health Care, the good Lord knows he didn't have many friends over there.
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Re: Replacing the Republican Party
« Reply #561 on: August 24, 2017, 05:22:10 am »
Best to replace the Mark Levin/Ted Cruz/Glen Beck smear machine, this is the toxic influence, as they supposedly think they represent conservatism per the deeds of Senator Do-Nothing. They set the rules, they should be challenged.

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Re: Replacing the Republican Party
« Reply #562 on: August 24, 2017, 06:03:52 am »
By nature I am a Nerd, and tonight, incredibly bored, I researched when was the last time we had a 20+ page count on a thread in Politics, I do not have access to the databases, I did it the old fashioned way~I looked.

                     It's been 1 Month

   Clocking in at 21 pages.

POTUS SLAMS SESSIONS AGAIN: He Endorsed Me Because of Big Crowds, Not Loyalty

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http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,273368.0.html

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The Foolishness of Never Trumpers   (that was a damn good thread, thanks @truth_seeker)

Bruce Bialosky  Posted: Jul 09, 2017 12:01 AM

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,271218.0.html

   Proving once again that Briefers can talk shit for days, about anything........
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Re: Replacing the Republican Party
« Reply #563 on: August 24, 2017, 06:11:31 am »
I thought Ted Cruz endorsed Romney but now we heard how bad the GOP were to nominate him.

Folks, you can't make this stuff up.

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Re: Replacing the Republican Party
« Reply #564 on: August 24, 2017, 06:40:46 am »
No it isn't. 'Most Conservatives' have not been Republican for nigh on a decade now.
'Most Conservatives' are Independent.

And there hasn't been a Conservative goal met in THIRTY YEARS.
Not a single conservative principle has gained ground.
And that is entirely at the feet of the Republican party <SPIT>
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Re: Replacing the Republican Party
« Reply #565 on: August 24, 2017, 06:48:18 am »
I thought Ted Cruz endorsed Romney but now we heard how bad the GOP were to nominate him.

Folks, you can't make this stuff up.
At least he didn't donate to Hillary.
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Re: Replacing the Republican Party
« Reply #566 on: August 24, 2017, 11:23:42 am »
At least he didn't donate to Hillary.

Yes, but he DID consult Bill Clinton about making a run for the presidency. Oh, wait.....

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Re: Replacing the Republican Party
« Reply #567 on: August 24, 2017, 11:43:45 am »
Best to replace the Mark Levin/Ted Cruz/Glen Beck smear machine, this is the toxic influence, as they supposedly think they represent conservatism per the deeds of Senator Do-Nothing. They set the rules, they should be challenged.

Oh, Tom, you're so last year.  Levin and Cruz are, albeit reluctantly, supporting Trump now.  Is that the "smear" you are referring to?

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« Reply #568 on: August 24, 2017, 11:44:46 am »
At least he didn't donate to Hillary.

Or Kamala Harris.

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« Reply #569 on: August 24, 2017, 12:10:39 pm »
I find it more than mildly amusing the American people threw a great big turd in the middle of the DC punchbowl.

Proves that the American people still have the ultimate power.

It is the Joe Schmos like me, and you, who are holding this country together. Go to work everyday. Hoping that somehow things will get better. But still trying.

Which is more than the people in Washington.

Forming a new party would be easy. Tell Cruz, if he such a conservative, to drop the R and go with an I. People can encourage all their reps to do the same. The people want something different. Look at who they elected.

But that won't happen. All those azzholes in DC like it the way it is. They don't care that much to try and actually go with something different.
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Re: Replacing the Republican Party
« Reply #570 on: August 24, 2017, 12:15:00 pm »
No it isn't. 'Most Conservatives' have not been Republican for nigh on a decade now.
'Most Conservatives' are Independent.


If you're a conservative but not a Republican then you're irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.   Only if you're a Republican do you have the means of translating conservative ideas into conservative policy.  Sure, you'll have to put up with those nasty centrists and libertarians and Trumpsters who disturb the echo chamber you'd prefer, but that's the price of belonging to a coalition that can successfully obtain and wield political power.

Conservatives who aren't Republican make a little noise on the internet but otherwise contribute bupkis.

What is it, 29 governorships and counting?  Control of the House and Senate?   Yup,  the Republican party is alive and well - thanks in part to the cretins who think "conservatives" need to reject the GOP.   Who needs that negative energy anyway?   Politics is a different game than venting on the internet.   
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« Reply #571 on: August 24, 2017, 12:23:59 pm »
If you're a conservative but not a Republican then you're irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.   Only if you're a Republican do you have the means of translating conservative ideas into conservative policy.  Sure, you'll have to put up with those nasty centrists and libertarians and Trumpsters who disturb the echo chamber you'd prefer, but that's the price of belonging to a coalition that can successfully obtain and wield political power.

Conservatives who aren't Republican make a little noise on the internet but otherwise contribute bupkis.

What is it, 29 governorships and counting?  Control of the House and Senate?   Yup,  the Republican party is alive and well - thanks in part to the cretins who think "conservatives" need to reject the GOP.   Who needs that negative energy anyway?   Politics is a different game than venting on the internet.
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« Reply #572 on: August 24, 2017, 12:32:50 pm »
The old "Might makes right" argument?
If it wins, but doesn't stand for what you believe, you don't.

I know what I believe in, SJ.  My principles are as firm as yours are.    Don't think that you're more virtuous than others because you won't sully yourself with a party that includes others who may disagree with you from time to time, or who see the utility of pragmatism.   
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Re: Replacing the Republican Party
« Reply #573 on: August 24, 2017, 12:34:26 pm »
Absolutely.  Cruz has been in conflict with him shortly after he took office.  McConnell asked him to join the GOP leadership as vice chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee.  Cruz soon learned that the NRSC's intent was to support incumbents in the primaries and go against conservative challengers.  He didn't resign, but he stopped asking donors to support the NRSC -- that didn't sit well with many, nor did it sit well with Mitch.  Cruz also had a run in with him over TPP and took to the Senate floor and called him out for the liar that he is.
Case in point on the NRSC protecting its own -
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Flake will have the backing of the National Republican Senatorial Committee and a score of outside groups that look to protect GOP incumbents, whether or not they have Trump’s support.
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« Reply #574 on: August 24, 2017, 12:40:11 pm »
Case in point on the NRSC protecting its own -  http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,278015.msg1428905.html#msg1428905

It's much more immediate than that my friend!  The NRSC will pull out ALL the stops to try and prevent the election of Roy Moore to the Senate next month in Alabama!
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