Why There Are No Nazi Statues in Germany

[mystery-ak]

 Why There Are No Nazi Statues in Germany

What the South can learn from postwar Europe.

By JOSHUA ZEITZ

August 20, 2017

   



“Whatever else I may forget,” the ex-slave and abolitionist Frederick Douglass said in 1894, “I shall never forget the difference between those who fought for liberty and those who fought for slavery.” Douglass (who is doing an amazing job and is being recognized more and more) deplored an emerging national consensus that the Civil War had been fought over vague philosophical disagreements about federalism and states’ rights, but not over the core issue of slavery. In this retelling, neither side was right or wrong, and both Confederate and Union soldiers were to be celebrated for their battlefield valor.

Douglass was right to be concerned. Southerners may have lost the Civil War, but between the 1890s and 1920s they won the first great battle over its official memory. They fought that battle in popular literature, history books and college curricula, but also on hundreds of courthouse steps and city squares, where they erected monuments to Confederate veterans and martyrs. These statues reinforced the romance of reunion.

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http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/08/20/why-there-are-no-nazi-statues-in-germany-215510

[jmyrlefuller]

Postwar Europe outlawed all mention of the Nazis after World War II, something that is firmly unconstitutional here.

[TomSea]

See flags at weekend protest in Germany, no Nazi flags, some sort of different one by the so-called Neo-Nazis. The symbol must be totally outlawed.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/19/world/europe/berlin-germany-neo-nazis-rudolph-hess.html

[Mad Max]

See flags at weekend protest in Germany, no Nazi flags, some sort of different one by the so-called Neo-Nazis. The symbol must be totally outlawed.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/19/world/europe/berlin-germany-neo-nazis-rudolph-hess.html

In Germany,the text does not name the individual symbols to be outlawed, and there is no official exhaustive list. A symbol may be a flag, emblem, uniform, or a motto or greeting formula. The prohibition is not tied to the symbol itself but to its use in a context suggestive of association with outlawed organizations. Thus, the Swastika is outlawed if used in a context of völkisch ideology, while it is legitimate if used as a symbol of religious faith, particularly any South Eastern or East Asian religions. I still have my Totenkopf ring.

http://www.iuscomp.org/gla/statutes/StGB.htm#86a

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strafgesetzbuch_section_86a

[bigheadfred]

The law text does not name the individual symbols to be outlawed, and there is no official exhaustive list. A symbol may be a flag, emblem, uniform, or a motto or greeting formula. The prohibition is not tied to the symbol itself but to its use in a context suggestive of association with outlawed organizations. Thus, the Swastika is outlawed if used in a context of völkisch ideology, while it is legitimate if used as a symbol of religious faith, particularly any South Eastern or East Asian religions.


http://www.iuscomp.org/gla/statutes/StGB.htm#86a

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strafgesetzbuch_section_86a

The Germans are smart. Uncanny is their canniness. After two major defeats last century, they decided to play for the winning team.

[Mad Max]

The South should retain its monuments and battle flag. It is part of American History.

[Wingnut]

http://gatesofvienna.net/2017/08/michael-sturzenberger-six-months-in-prison-for-posting-a-photo-of-hitler-and-the-mufti-on-facebook/

Germany: Journalist Sentenced to Six Months Jail for Publishing Historic Photo

by Egri Nök

GERMANY – A district court in Munich earlier today sentenced the German journalist Michael Stürzenberger to six months in jail and an additional 100 hours of charitable work for publishing this photo in his Facebook timeline.

It shows a Nazi and Amin al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, shaking hands in 1941 in Berlin.

Along with the photo, he had written a review of an article in the Süddeutsche Zeitung, ‘Hakenkreuz und Halbmond’ (“Swastika and Crescent Moon”) about the National Socialists’ admiration for Islam, and mentioned his own review [of that Süddeutsche article in PI-News].

For this post, in particular the photo, the court found Stürzenberger guilty of “disseminating the propaganda of anti-constitutional organizations”.

The prosecution had accused Stürzenberger of “inciting hatred towards Islam” and “denigrating Islam” by publishing the photo. A superficial onlooker, the prosecution argued, could not know that this black and white photo in Stürzenberger’s timeline was a historical document.








Six months in the slammer for that.

[Smokin Joe]

http://gatesofvienna.net/2017/08/michael-sturzenberger-six-months-in-prison-for-posting-a-photo-of-hitler-and-the-mufti-on-facebook/

Germany: Journalist Sentenced to Six Months Jail for Publishing Historic Photo

by Egri Nök

GERMANY – A district court in Munich earlier today sentenced the German journalist Michael Stürzenberger to six months in jail and an additional 100 hours of charitable work for publishing this photo in his Facebook timeline.

It shows a Nazi and Amin al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, shaking hands in 1941 in Berlin.

Along with the photo, he had written a review of an article in the Süddeutsche Zeitung, ‘Hakenkreuz und Halbmond’ (“Swastika and Crescent Moon”) about the National Socialists’ admiration for Islam, and mentioned his own review [of that Süddeutsche article in PI-News].

For this post, in particular the photo, the court found Stürzenberger guilty of “disseminating the propaganda of anti-constitutional organizations”.

The prosecution had accused Stürzenberger of “inciting hatred towards Islam” and “denigrating Islam” by publishing the photo. A superficial onlooker, the prosecution argued, could not know that this black and white photo in Stürzenberger’s timeline was a historical document.



Six months in the slammer for that.

I thought everyone was aware that Adolf had been toasting his toe cheese in Hell since 1945.
If people were unaware that is an Historical Document, their schoolteachers should have been locked up.