Presser: Trump: Both Sides Deserve Blame in Charlottesville Deaths

[Bigun]

[LonestarDream]

Trap? Trump actually eviscerated those monomaniacs.

He did @don-o

[bolobaby]

I don't like Trump.

He did pretty good in that press conference.

[dfwgator]

I don't understand what any of this has to do with Trump, or why he is expected to issue condemnations.  The media are silly as ever.

[corbe]

   Some things never change, we tried to warn them.   Are those Loni Andersons headlights blinding me?

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Yep, bunch of fine people..

It is incredibly sad that must even be said.  There are no good people at a white supremacy rally, ever.

I care deeply about taxes.  I believe our government is crippling our economy with regressive taxes, but I would not attend a taxpayer rally headed by Richard Spencer.



I care deeply about the military, but I would not attend a pro military rally attended and promoted by David Duke.

http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/local/david-duke-urges-followers-to-attend-rally-in-charlottesville/article_8417980e-625e-11e7-b664-cfb49c966bd3.html

I care deeply about abortion...would any of you welcome these people to your side for a pro-life rally?

I doubt any of you would want to be associated with these people.  Why accept it from the standard bearer of the GOP?

[Smokin Joe]

Anymore I think Charles has become irrelevant and yes I agree, the violence, accusations, biased reporting ad fake news seems to be coming predominately from the left.  The left has no message of their own other than to counter the right.

They don't just want to counter the Right, they want people to hate it. They want to stir up anger against the Right, they want people to feel like victims of the Right. It's their reason for being.

Trump did well enough. He pointed the finger at the extremists on both sides. Psychologically, that gives the less extreme on both sides a more temperate mental climate to retreat to, to distance themselves from the violent extremists. He didn't close that door by insisting they were all evil 'A' or evil 'B'. That was masterful.
I have little doubt that there were folks who came just to protest the removal of the statue and renaming of the park, who were not affiliated with either the Klan or the White Nationalists present. You won't see those people, because those are not the optics the Media wanted you to see. Plain and simple. As I have pointed out in other posts, their ranks were thin, images reeked of the staging you saw in the Muslims Protesting violence photo op CNN engineered a while back (and got caught at). I think the idea was for you to think there were a lot more hate-filled honkies out there to hate on.
In reality, compared with the rest of America, these groups represent an incredibly small percentage of the population. They are getting press time and focus far in excess of their numbers. Their violence is being used by the press to foment resentment and violence where it just doesn't belong and where it would not ordinarily be.

I see this as a continuation of the Marxist Obama gambit to wreck anything they can and promote problems they can turn around and try to pin on the current administration, but those seeds were sown (ACORNs) long ago, and now have become scrub oaks.

[Chosen Daughter]

I don't understand how people can say he did well.  Protesting and violence is one thing.  But using your car to exterminate people is terrorism.  There is a clear difference.  Why can't he condemn the use of a vehicle to murder people?  Its OK with me for him to say violence on both sides but he must acknowledge that the Nazi drove a car into a crowd of people.

[Smokin Joe]

I don't understand how people can say he did well.  Protesting and violence is one thing.  But using your car to exterminate people is terrorism.  There is a clear difference.  Why can't he condemn the use of a vehicle to murder people?  Its OK with me for him to say violence on both sides but he must acknowledge that the Nazi drove a car into a crowd of people.

I am no Trump fan, but violence is violence. What I don't get, mainly because I saw this standard imposed on other people at TOS, is the apparent need to individually decry every bad event. I thought "violence" covered all of it.

As for the driver, that will be for the courts to handle.

[Chosen Daughter]

I am no Trump fan, but violence is violence. What I don't get, mainly because I saw this standard imposed on other people at TOS, is the apparent need to individually decry every bad event. I thought "violence" covered all of it.

As for the driver, that will be for the courts to handle.

Really?  I agree the courts will handle it.  I don't agree violence and murder (or domestic terrorism) are equal.  I see that President Trump is angered with the removal of the Confederate monuments.  I agree that we should not remove our history.  But it doesn't give any person or group the right to mow people down the same way terrorists do.  And President Trump should be able to acknowledge the difference.

[FeelNoPain]

I believe he was talking about the previous night when some people were protesting the removal of a statue of Robert E. Lee.  I would protest that also.  It's ridiculous.

Yes, it is. But once people around me started chanting Third Reich slogans like "blood and soil," such as they did Friday night, then I would realize that this isn't the company that I want to keep. I would realize that some bad actors, whose ideology I find reprehensible, have attached themselves to my just cause.

[Smokin Joe]

Really?  I agree the courts will handle it.  I don't agree violence and murder (or domestic terrorism) are equal.  I see that President Trump is angered with the removal of the Confederate monuments.  I agree that we should not remove our history.  But it doesn't give any person or group the right to mow people down the same way terrorists do.  And President Trump should be able to acknowledge the difference.

I don't agree with terrorist acts either.
I listened to the presser (on infrastructure) and the questions afterward, two of which were actually on infrastructure, the rest on Charlottesville. Silly me, (and I am no Trump fan), but I thought he decried all the violence, on both sides (which would include running people down). He also said he wanted to have all the facts. We don't know much about that except that the guy behind the wheel had posed with the White Nationalists holding a shield and wearing a white shirt (although, iirc, they claimed he wasn't one of their usual number). I don't claim to know who the guy is, really, beyond the stuff people have posted, and know that what he did was just. plain. wrong. I don't need Trump or the Media to tell me that, nor does the rest of America.

But what really distresses me is that the takeaway optics on a(n intended) peaceful protest to retain Confederate monuments are of torchlight (KKK style) parades, violence in the streets, and some goon running people down. Which means either the original issue gets lost, or worse, it gets conflated with neonazis and the Klan running down women in the streets.

None of the violence is justified, except those who acted in self-defense, but had the City Commission set this up a little differently, moving the antifa and BLM people to another venue (and keeping them there), or even another day, there would have been a lot less violence. 

[Chosen Daughter]

I don't agree with terrorist acts either.
I listened to the presser (on infrastructure) and the questions afterward, two of which were actually on infrastructure, the rest on Charlottesville. Silly me, (and I am no Trump fan), but I thought he decried all the violence, on both sides (which would include running people down). He also said he wanted to have all the facts. We don't know much about that except that the guy behind the wheel had posed with the White Nationalists holding a shield and wearing a white shirt (although, iirc, they claimed he wasn't one of their usual number). I don't claim to know who the guy is, really, beyond the stuff people have posted, and know that what he did was just. plain. wrong. I don't need Trump or the Media to tell me that, nor does the rest of America.

But what really distresses me is that the takeaway optics on a(n intended) peaceful protest to retain Confederate monuments are of torchlight (KKK style) parades, violence in the streets, and some goon running people down. Which means either the original issue gets lost, or worse, it gets conflated with neonazis and the Klan running down women in the streets.

None of the violence is justified, except those who acted in self-defense, but had the City Commission set this up a little differently, moving the antifa and BLM people to another venue (and keeping them there), or even another day, there would have been a lot less violence.

I appreciate your post.  I agree that no violence is justified.  And the Nazi protesting of the removal of monuments doesn't help the cause at all.  If it was a peaceful civilian protest to protect history that would have been different.  But its ugly.  Very ugly and racist.  I still say,......violence is violence.  Murder and domestic terrorism are not violence. 

[Smokin Joe]

I appreciate your post.  I agree that no violence is justified.  And the Nazi protesting of the removal of monuments doesn't help the cause at all.  If it was a peaceful civilian protest to protect history that would have been different.  But its ugly.  Very ugly and racist.  I still say,......violence is violence.  Murder and domestic terrorism are not violence.

It really doesn't get much more violent than that, short of outright war.

[catfish1957]

Yes, it is. But once people around me started chanting Third Reich slogans like "blood and soil," such as they did Friday night, then I would realize that this isn't the company that I want to keep. I would realize that some bad actors, whose ideology I find reprehensible, have attached themselves to my just cause.

Sadly there isn't a larger stronger contingent of folks from SCV or WBTS reenactors who aren't taking up the mantle to save southern statues.  Instead we have these low lifes.  It sure has me depressed.

[Smokin Joe]

Sadly there isn't a larger stronger contingent of folks from SCV or WBTS reenactors who aren't taking up the mantle to save southern statues.  Instead we have these low lifes.  It sure has me depressed.

True, that. Unfortunately, few decent folks want to go duke it out with the inevitable BLM/Antifa crowds that get community organized in.

[don-o]

That statement was cringe worthy...he was doing fantastic until he said that.

@mystery-ak
Wasn't that "fine people" a characterization of folks whose interest was simply in opposition  to removal of the monument? Perhaps @AbaraXas is trying to connect "fine people" to those images an hang that on Trump.

At worst, it's a verbal foot fault. And it is expected from the cabal whose mission since 11/9/16 at 0200 hours has been the overturn of the election.

Does anyone here believe that, in his heart, Trump is a seig heil saluting, blood and soil fanatic or that he holds any brief at all for such nonsense? That is what antifa and their useful idiots in the media want us to believe.

[don-o]

Sadly there isn't a larger stronger contingent of folks from SCV or WBTS reenactors who aren't taking up the mantle to save southern statues.  Instead we have these low lifes.  It sure has me depressed.

True. Civil War Trust does great work on preserving battle fields. To my knowledge, they would weigh in if battlefield monuments were threatened.

You know, for years the Klan put on their costumes and flounced around in their tiny numbers in various locales and were roundly ignored, like the crazy uncles who we cannot send to the home yet.

11/9/16 changed all that as the Prime Directive became to over turn the election, by any means necessary.

[libertybele]

I don't understand how people can say he did well.  Protesting and violence is one thing.  But using your car to exterminate people is terrorism.  There is a clear difference.  Why can't he condemn the use of a vehicle to murder people?  Its OK with me for him to say violence on both sides but he must acknowledge that the Nazi drove a car into a crowd of people.

He acknowledged violence on both sides and condemned violence on both sides.  He also stated that he waited till he had the facts before speaking.  Somehow I doubt that the MSM is reporting all the facts and as usual is focusing on reporting the facts to avoid any blame to their side.  I think President Trump is handling this issue in a way to not further escalate violence on either side.

[libertybele]

I appreciate your post.  I agree that no violence is justified.  And the Nazi protesting of the removal of monuments doesn't help the cause at all.  If it was a peaceful civilian protest to protect history that would have been different.  But its ugly.  Very ugly and racist.  I still say,......violence is violence.  Murder and domestic terrorism are not violence.

??? Your definition of violence is different than mine. Murdering someone is ending their life.  I don't think you can get much more violent.

[jpsb]

I agree with a lot of his messages, but... as President he shouldn't be saying them. This will just further divide the country.

I doubt that, but telling the truth in the face of the Big Lie is almost always a good idea.

[jpsb]

Had he prepared, he could have skillfully played the media, but yet again, they played him like a fiddle.

Tell me again how you don't bash Trump 24/7? I guess I can put you down as an antifa, BLM supporter. Only condemning one side is the same as approving the side you did not condemn.

[dfwgator]

This is the same when people were attacked for saying "ALL Lives Matter."

[Restored]

1. There was violence on both sides. As a matter of fact, the alt-left people started the violence.
2. The truth is frequently the hardest message to hear.
3. The media controls the message and punishes anyone who opposes the narrative.
4. Nothing Trump was going to say was going to be sufficient so doubling down didn't hurt him that much.

[aligncare]

Right up there with his speech in Poland as far as clarity, coherence and staying on message.

Impossible. Trump is incapable of forming a coherent sentence, much less than a coherent thought.