VIDEO: Protesters Attacked Charlottesville Driver’s Car With Baseball Bat (Respectful discussion only please)

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

http://www.departmentofmemes.com/article/protesters-attacked-charlottesville-drivers-car-baseball-bat/

This was posted at tos, I link to it for commentary only.

[bigheadfred]

What is the law in Virginia concerning protesters blocking the streets?

It seems there are laws out there somewhere stating you can run them down.

[ABX]

Erase the titles of the groups involved. If some maniac slammed his car into a group of people with the intent to kill, wouldn't you be beating on his car and doing whatever you needed to do to stop him from fleeing or backing up and running forward again?

Like I said, erase the titles and look at the situation from the perspective of the action alone, not what you feel about the victims.

Case in point, if it weren't this case but this one:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/07/truck-crashes-in-central-stockholm-sweden

Or this one

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4652076/Man-tries-drive-car-crowd-French-mosque-police.html

Or this one

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/car-drives-pedestrians-heidelberg-germany-9917011


And so on and so on...

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Erase the titles of the groups involved. If some maniac slammed his car into a group of people with the intent to kill, wouldn't you be beating on his car and doing whatever you needed to do to stop him from fleeing or backing up and running forward again?

Like I said, erase the titles and look at the situation from the perspective of the action alone, not what you feel about the victims.

Case in point, if it weren't this case but this one:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/07/truck-crashes-in-central-stockholm-sweden

Or this one

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4652076/Man-tries-drive-car-crowd-French-mosque-police.html

Or this one

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/car-drives-pedestrians-heidelberg-germany-9917011


And so on and so on...

I agree with all this, but I was under the impression that his car was attacked prior to the attack, from the video. While I still think he's totally at fault, that makes me think just a little differently about what happened.

[ABX]

What is the law in Virginia concerning protesters blocking the streets?

It seems there are laws out there somewhere stating you can run them down.

You can't take a three block running start and slam into them on purpose. That is premeditated murder and if it was a muslim doing it, we would be screaming terrorism as ISIS has done the same thing several times recently (links above as an example). Some laws protect you if you are trying to flee danger and hit someone in the road or if they step out into a busy road. The laws don't give you carte blanche to gun it and run down people.

[ABX]

I agree with all this, but I was under the impression that his car was attacked prior to the attack, from the video. While I still think he's totally at fault, that makes me think just a little differently about what happened.

If you look at some of the videos that show him up the hill, he took a three block running start at them with no one around. He had many safe places to turn off or turn around or could have backed up. His actions in no way appear as to be someone in danger trying to flee. That was an attack not much different than recent Isis terrorist actions using vehicles to run into crowds.

[bigheadfred]

Lots of stories with similar titles as this:

'Common-Sense Legislation' Would Shield Drivers Who Run Over Protesters

I don't know if any states actually passed any laws.

[Cripplecreek]

Nice, now we can join Klan Republic and attempt to justify murder by using an alt right site. (Note the Trump Frog emblem)

[bigheadfred]

You can't take a three block running start and slam into them on purpose. That is premeditated murder and if it was a muslim doing it, we would be screaming terrorism as ISIS has done the same thing several times recently (links above as an example). Some laws protect you if you are trying to flee danger and hit someone in the road or if they step out into a busy road. The laws don't give you carte blanche to gun it and run down people.

Yeah. I know.

Going to be for an interesting trial. Doubt it will be held in Charlottesville, though.

[ABX]

Nice, now we can join Klan Republic and attempt to justify murder by using an alt right site. (Note the Trump Frog emblem)

There is one I saw posted in a thread from one of their favorite sites, The Daily Stormer, that attacks the young lady who was killed as, 'fat, childless... ' etc. They are disgusting. Obviously not going to post that here 'for discussion'.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

I'm not justifying anything, and I still think he's a murderer. And he's also a disgusting Nazi.

 But someone did hit his car before he did this.

[Oceander]

I'm not justifying anything, and I still think he's a murderer. And he's also a disgusting Nazi.

 But someone did hit his car before he did this.

So what?  His car could have been targeted by someone with a baseball bat; that wouldn't justify or excuse using his car as a weapon the way he did.

[Cripplecreek]

There is one I saw posted in a thread from one of their favorite sites, The Daily Stormer, that attacks the young lady who was killed as, 'fat, childless... ' etc. They are disgusting. Obviously not going to post that here 'for discussion'.

The alt right are all about perpetuating "pure" bloodlines which is why so many of them are into incest porn.

[dfwgator]

Yeah. I know.

Going to be for an interesting trial. Doubt it will be held in Charlottesville, though.

They better not put him in Gen Pop if they want him to live to the trial.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

So what?  His car could have been targeted by someone with a baseball bat; that wouldn't justify or excuse using his car as a weapon the way he did.

I don't disagree with you, but isn't it good to know all the facts?

[Oceander]

I don't disagree with you, but isn't it good to know all the facts?

Yes, but facts are curious things - not all of them are relevant, and emphasizing the irrelevant is often a tool for hiding or misrepresenting the relevant.  What's relevant is that he intentionally used his car as a weapon to kill people.  The fact that somebody hit his car before that is irrelevant.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Yes, but facts are curious things - not all of them are relevant, and emphasizing the irrelevant is often a tool for hiding or misrepresenting the relevant.  What's relevant is that he intentionally used his car as a weapon to kill people.  The fact that somebody hit his car before that is irrelevant.

I'm not emphasizing anything, just informing the forum. IMO, this is a relevant fact, even if doesn't exonerate him because you can bet his defense and his muttonhead defenders will bring this video up.

[dfwgator]

I'm not emphasizing anything, just informing the forum. IMO, this is a relevant fact, even if doesn't exonerate him because you can bet his defense and his muttonhead defenders will bring this video up.

If they were beating his car, the antifas should have been arrested as well.

[bigheadfred]

Yes, but facts are curious things - not all of them are relevant, and emphasizing the irrelevant is often a tool for hiding or misrepresenting the relevant.  What's relevant is that he intentionally used his car as a weapon to kill people.  The fact that somebody hit his car before that is irrelevant.

Not in court.

The fight or flight instinct.

Be for an interesting trial.  Betcha they make it a dog and pony show.  And juries can be funny animals, too.

[ABX]

If they were beating his car, the antifas should have been arrested as well.

In that video, they were beating his car as he was in the middle of ramming them at high speed. They slowed the video down to make it look like he was driving casually, but the little snip they showed there was after he took a running start and was slamming into them at I would guess at least 40 if not faster.

Beating his car while he is ramming into them at high speed could easily be argued as self defense or an attempt to stop murder.

[Oceander]

I'm not emphasizing anything, just informing the forum. IMO, this is a relevant fact, even if doesn't exonerate him because you can bet his defense and his muttonhead defenders will bring this video up.

That's fine.  And I'll inform the forum that its paint color was black.  And it had black tires, too.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

That's fine.  And I'll inform the forum that its paint color was black.  And it had black tires, too.

You're hyperventilating. You might get a nosebleed.

[ABX]

Per my previous post, here is a video close up to show just how fast he ran into those people, and they were hitting the car with the bat during and after the attack. The hitting was a reaction, not a provocation.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFR-iHmTWVo

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Per my previous post, here is a video close up to show just how fast he ran into those people, and they were hitting the car with the bat during and after the attack. The hitting was a reaction, not a provocation.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFR-iHmTWVo

Of course, then there's the question of why they, or the white supremacists, had bats in the first place.

[Cripplecreek]

Per my previous post, here is a video close up to show just how fast he ran into those people, and they were hitting the car with the bat during and after the attack. The hitting was a reaction, not a provocation.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFR-iHmTWVo

Someone would have been very justified in putting a round in his head at that point.