North Korea Plans To Fire Multiple Missiles Into Waters Around Guam

[rangerrebew]

North Korea Plans To Fire Multiple Missiles Into Waters Around Guam

Posted By Ryan Pickrell On 6:27 PM 08/09/2017 In | No Comments

North Korea stressed Thursday that President Donald Trump will only learn through a show of force.

Trump is “such a guy bereft of reason and only absolute force can work on him,” North Korean state media reported.
 

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[Victoria33]

@rangerrebew

This is Thursday - the latest from N. Korea is this:

"State-run media warned that North Korea would 'turn the U.S. mainland into the theater of a nuclear war' if it got signs of a possible American attack..."

So, from Guam to the US now.  Got water, food?  Before he was elected, I said Trump would start a war. He can't be controlled.

[edpc]

It's going to take them days to formulate a plan to miss Guam with four missiles?  Think about how pathetic that is.

[Sanguine]

@rangerrebew

This is Thursday - the latest from N. Korea is this:

"State-run media warned that North Korea would 'turn the U.S. mainland into the theater of a nuclear war' if it got signs of a possible American attack..."

So, from Guam to the US now.  Got water, food?  Before he was elected, I said Trump would start a war. He can't be controlled.

Trump isn't starting this war.  That honor can go to Clinton/Bush/0bama. 

[andy58-in-nh]

Won't that cause the island of Guam to tip over?

[driftdiver]

@rangerrebew

This is Thursday - the latest from N. Korea is this:

"State-run media warned that North Korea would 'turn the U.S. mainland into the theater of a nuclear war' if it got signs of a possible American attack..."

So, from Guam to the US now.  Got water, food?  Before he was elected, I said Trump would start a war. He can't be controlled.

So NK threatens us, just as they have for years, only now they have the capability.  But its Trumps fault?

[Right_in_Virginia]

Trump isn't starting this war.  That honor can go to Clinton/Bush/0bama.

 Exactly right.   :thumbsup3:

[dfwgator]

Exactly right.   :thumbsup3:

I hate that bitch.

[edpc]

I hate that bitch.

The best thing with her was when she showed up for the Bosnia talks and they told her to leave, because they thought she was the cleaning lady.

[truth_seeker]

@rangerrebew


So, from Guam to the US now.  Got water, food?  Before he was elected, I said Trump would start a war. He can't be controlled.

Guam=US territory. Hawaii in 1940s=US territory.  Did you feel the same way toward FDR, when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor?

[NavyCanDo]

@rangerrebew


So, from Guam to the US now.  Got water, food?  Before he was elected, I said Trump would start a war. He can't be controlled.

I'm not even a fan of Trump, but how can anyone blame him for a dynasty of Kims, who's mortal enemy has always been the United States and Democracy. And military build-up to be able to take on the U.S. begun long before Trump was even doing TV.   Granted, his administration has been far more articulate in their responses to the crisis than he has been, but the blame for this standoff can only be put on one person, and that is the little NK despot. 

[GtHawk]

Guam=US territory. Hawaii in 1940s=US territory.  Did you feel the same way toward FDR, when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor?

Well there is that theory about FDR.

[kidd]

This would be an act of war.
There is no way to know if a "near-miss" is actually an intended hit until it is too late.

Trump would be justified in shooting down every missile that is launched from North Korea from this point further, then taking out the launch sites.
It would be beneficial to have UN backing beforehand, but it is not necessary.

[Oceander]

I'm not even a fan of Trump, but how can anyone blame him for a dynasty of Kims, who's mortal enemy has always been the United States and Democracy. And military build-up to be able to take on the U.S. begun long before Trump was even doing TV.   Granted, his administration has been far more articulate in their responses to the crisis than he has been, but the blame for this standoff can only be put on one person, and that is the little NK despot. 

Exactly.  If this turns into a hot war, Trump won't be responsible for that.  He'll be responsible for how he conducts any such war, but he is blameless for the conditions that have brought us to the current state of affairs. 

[Bigun]

Won't that cause the island of Guam to tip over?

Hank Johnson!  Paging Hank Johnson!  Mr. Johnson please pick up the white courtesy phone!

[Fishrrman]

kidd wrote:
"Trump would be justified in shooting down every missile that is launched from North Korea from this point further, then taking out the launch sites.
It would be beneficial to have UN backing beforehand, but it is not necessary."

Exactly.

Perhaps there should be a Trump doctrine:
No more missiles will be permitted to be launched from North Korea, and any that are launched will be intercepted.

And then, just... do it.

If North Korea chooses to escalate -- then it's time for "a big response".

If I was in charge, I'd give orders to the military that North Korean submarines start to simply... disappear without a trace. I'm sure our Navy could manage that.

[edpc]

@kidd
@Fishrrman

We haven't done that, to this point, because China and Russia are monitoring the events.  We don't want to give them free data on our capabilities.

[Suppressed]

This would be an act of war.
There is no way to know if a "near-miss" is actually an intended hit until it is too late.

Trump would be justified in shooting down every missile that is launched from North Korea from this point further, then taking out the launch sites.
It would be beneficial to have UN backing beforehand, but it is not necessary.

I think people are wildly overestimating our ABM capability.  Even in highly controlled recent tests, there hasn't been a great success rate.

And if we attempt and miss, that's not good.

Kim's choice of "near-miss" with conventional warheads at Guam is a great choice.   Let's look at our options...

1) Respond by trying to shoot them down.
We'll get partial success, at best.  That just reveals our capability level.  When the remaining missiles splash down off Guam, he can point that out, and point out that he wasn't firing for effect.  Even if we hit them all, jump ahead to our response, below.

2) Don't respond.  Looks bad.  When they splash down not hitting anything, we have to figure out our response.


For our response, strategic nukes are out.  We'd have the condemnation of the world for using strategic nukes on someone who fired conventional warning shots.  Plus, we'd have collateral effects on ROK, PRC, and Japan.

Tactical nukes, similar problems, plus would lack total effectiveness.

Conventional response.  Oh, boy.  At best, we do a bit of damage.  But again, Kim can point out that we responded with live fire to his warning "tests".  What does it really do for us?  Watch for video of all the collateral damage, as weak-minded world opinion turns against us.


I hope Trump doesn't back himself into a corner.

[edpc]

I think people are wildly overestimating our ABM capability.  Even in highly controlled recent tests, there hasn't been a great success rate.

There are 3 layers of defense between Korea and Guam.  The Aegis cruisers with the SM variants off the Korean coast, Patriot PAC-3 in Japan, and THAAD in Guam.

[Suppressed]

There are 3 layers of defense between Korea and Guam.  The Aegis cruisers with the SM variants off the Korean coast, Patriot PAC-3 in Japan, and THAAD in Guam.

Yes, and we will be revealing performance data on whatever engages. 

[edpc]

Yes, and we will be revealing performance data on whatever engages.

Which is why I said what I did in post 16.  The phased array will have good telemetry on the missiles very soon after launch.  The Japanese may engage, because the fight path will be over their territory.  We may or may not, depending on the trajectory.  That, however, doesn't mean there won't be a response.

[Suppressed]

Which is why I said what I did in post 16.  The phased array will have good telemetry on the missiles very soon after launch.  The Japanese may engage, because the fight path will be over their territory.  We may or may not, depending on the trajectory.  That, however, doesn't mean there won't be a response.

Yes, we will have to respond, which is a win for DPRK, China, and Russia. By forcing the issue now, there's higher odds of a bug.

[edpc]

Yes, we will have to respond, which is a win for DPRK, China, and Russia.

How so?

[TomSea]

Navy, I am a huge fan of yours. I do not see the wisdom in the remarks made by trump, once again presented in a manner one would expect of a child. Everyone knows the NK despot is a nutcase and a dangerous one at that. He would be responsible for war if he attacked. He has not. It seems our own nutcase, trump is trying to build up the rhetoric to force conflict. The destruction would be devastating in Seoul and possibly Japan. But this is usually (not always) missing in the macho talk we hear from trump supporters in the media. Obviously, NK would be wiped out..but not before hundreds of thousands of innocent deaths. It is not necessary yet. Why use the rhetoric of a massive fiery response if he threatens again? It just eggs on a nutcase....  Guess what.....Pyongyang threatened again...this time Guam.  trump in charge of this crisis is one of many reasons he should not have been elected. Integrity matters....intellect matters....truthfulness matters.....SANITY matters.

Appeasement worked very well in 1938, didn't it.



I've read many remarks like the above, Kim firing missiles towards Japan and threatening all of his neighbors and even some far off countries like Israel, more nearby, Australia even. Oh, but let's find fault with Trump and the McMullin (YES) supporter name calls at Trump.

It's a wonder the appeasers didn't get their way and have us living under the 3rd Reich.

[TomSea]

@rangerrebew

This is Thursday - the latest from N. Korea is this:

"State-run media warned that North Korea would 'turn the U.S. mainland into the theater of a nuclear war' if it got signs of a possible American attack..."

So, from Guam to the US now.  Got water, food?  Before he was elected, I said Trump would start a war. He can't be controlled.

Okay, we got it. Let little Kim fire off missiles at Japan, threaten all of their neighbors but Trump is the one starting a war. Got it.