I’m a conservative – and I now see voting Republican is a waste of time

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 I’m a conservative – and I now see voting Republican is a waste of time
John Daniel Davidson
Friday 28 July 2017 11.46 EDT

The Obamacare fiasco reveals that once they are in power, Republicans in Washington refuse to deliver on their promises

What would you conclude if you voted for a candidate or a party because of a promise to repeal or change a law that you strongly felt was harmful and unjust, but once in office the party refused to do it? You might conclude, rightly, that those politicians didn’t really work for you, and the party didn’t care what you thought.

That’s precisely the message Republicans have been sending their constituents throughout the Obamacare repeal fiasco. The failure of Senate Republicans to pass a so-called “skinny repeal” in the early hours of Friday is merely the latest instance of GOP fecklessness on health care reform.

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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/28/republicans-healthcare-conservative-voters

[ABX]

Not only do I agree, I've been seeing it as detrimental.  It is rewarding and growing  momentum counter to conservative principles.

[XenaLee]

I’m a conservative – and I now see voting Republican is a waste of time
John Daniel Davidson
Friday 28 July 2017 11.46 EDT

The Obamacare fiasco reveals that once they are in power, Republicans in Washington refuse to deliver on their promises

What would you conclude if you voted for a candidate or a party because of a promise to repeal or change a law that you strongly felt was harmful and unjust, but once in office the party refused to do it? You might conclude, rightly, that those politicians didn’t really work for you, and the party didn’t care what you thought.

That’s precisely the message Republicans have been sending their constituents throughout the Obamacare repeal fiasco. The failure of Senate Republicans to pass a so-called “skinny repeal” in the early hours of Friday is merely the latest instance of GOP fecklessness on health care reform.

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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/28/republicans-healthcare-conservative-voters

I'm seeing the same thing.  Fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice, shame on me.  Try to fool me again?   No friggin way.

[Restored]

How many Republicans voted against the Repeal? How many Democrats?

[rodamala]

How many Republicans voted against the Repeal? How many Democrats?

Pretty sure you mean, "Thank Gawd that the passed bill is not going to Hillary to be vetoed".

Your strawman argument point is denied.

[INVAR]

The Republican Party is not just a waste of time, they have been taken over in total by the Liberal/Left.  All the infighting in the GOP is the final last gasp struggle as any semblance of  Conservatism/limited government is strangled to death or they fold and go along with the new agenda of Statism.

The term Uniparty is more than appropriate.

It is time for something totally different.  There is no possibility of 'reforming' the GOP from within.  The rules have been rewritten to ensure any grassroots Conservatives are stopped dead from advancement within the party or they are corrupted by the Oligarchy.   

The GOP is a dead party, just another arm of the Democrat party shell game, and voting for anyone in it at this point is simply voting for liberalism and statism. 

[TomSea]

What would you expect from the notoriously left wing Guardian that has crucified Conservatives and Republicans, now they expect to be respected?

And the author takes one issue to dump on the whole party, 50 states and multiple accomplishments.

The Executive Branch and the House did fine, blame it on a few individuals in the Senate and some persons wearing black robes on the SCOTUS.

Good, this Davidson can make his vote effective by voting for the Libertarians or the Constitutional party.

[INVAR]

What would you expect from the notoriously left wing Guardian that has crucified Conservatives and Republicans, now they expect to be respected?

And the author takes one issue to dump on the whole party, 50 states and multiple accomplishments.

The Executive Branch and the House did fine, blame it on a few individuals in the Senate and some persons wearing black robes on the SCOTUS.

Good, this Davidson can make his vote effective by voting for the Libertarians or the Constitutional party.

Lots of us 'Davidsons' are in exodus from your corrupted, deceitful and manipulative party.  I have 25 years in and for nothing.

The Statist Left have successfully infiltrated and taken over the Republican party as readily as the Marxist Left took over the Democrat party. 

Polish the turd all you like, bash the messenger all you like.

The fruits of your party on the national level are less than worthless.

It is time for Conservatives to move their support elsewhere if they want to keep their principles alive in the political sense.

[Taxcontrol]

That is why during the last election, I voted Constitution Party

[dfwgator]

Join the club, we've got jackets.

[TomSea]

Good riddance to these types, probably the kind that said they would not vote for Romney, etc.

The Republican party is now stronger than since the 1920s; per across the country in what offices they hold.

The author is just dead weight, don't let the door hit ya on the way out if you are really a conservative.

[INVAR]

Good riddance to these types, probably the kind that said they would not vote for Romney, etc.

The Republican party is now stronger than since the 1920s; per across the country in what offices they hold.

The author is just dead weight, don't let the door hit ya on the way out if you are really a conservative.

Your leadership already told us to get out of your party in the last cycle.

Rejoice that we're gone.  We're no longer part of you or your failed and corrupt party.

We're free.  Off your master's plantation.

I find it the height of hilarity how unhinged you people get, especially you when we refuse to toss accolades and laurels to your anointed.

You made us enemies.  Good job.

[bolobaby]

Pretty sure you mean, "Thank Gawd that the passed bill is not going to Hillary to be vetoed".

Your strawman argument point is denied.

LOL - going to Hillary???

Talk about a straw man!

hy·poc·ri·sy
həˈpäkrəsē/
noun
noun: hypocrisy; plural noun: hypocrisies

    the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.

[XenaLee]

Good riddance to these types, probably the kind that said they would not vote for Romney, etc.

The Republican party is now stronger than since the 1920s; per across the country in what offices they hold.

The author is just dead weight, don't let the door hit ya on the way out if you are really a conservative.

Reality:  The Republican Party has become a farce and a phony imitation of what it represents itself as.  The last pretenda Republican, lesser of two evils, that I voted for was that snake McCain.  And I held my nose and told myself I was really voting for Palin.  I am now ashamed of myself for having fooled myself in to ever giving that azhole my vote.

Never... and I sincerely do mean NEVER... again.

[ABX]

Good riddance to these types, probably the kind that said they would not vote for Romney, etc.

The Republican party is now stronger than since the 1920s; per across the country in what offices they hold.

The author is just dead weight, don't let the door hit ya on the way out if you are really a conservative.

And Kanye West and Justin Beiber are selling a thousand times more albums than the top artists in the 1920s. It doesn't mean their music is any better.

[Cripplecreek]

Demanding 1 thing from congressional candidates while voting for the opposite in a presidential candidate is a formula for failure.

[Sighlass]

I have wrote in someone the last three presidential elections and finally others are starting the see the wisdom of it.



McCain 2008 - did not get my vote (wrote in Duncan Hunter)

Mitt Romney 2012 - did not get my vote (wrote in Roy Moore)

Donald J. Trump 2016 - did not get my vote (wrote in Cruz)

Looking back in time, I'm proud of my non-winning votes. I didn't pick a traitor once.

[INVAR]

I have wrote in someone the last three presidential elections and finally others are starting the see the wisdom of it.



McCain 2008 - did not get my vote (wrote in Duncan Hunter)

Mitt Romney 2012 - did not get my vote (wrote in Roy Moore)

Donald J. Trump 2016 - did not get my vote (wrote in Cruz)

Looking back in time, I'm proud of my non-winning votes. I didn't pick a traitor once.

Congratulations.  You actually voted FOR someone with an agenda that was more closely aligned with your principles rather than voting for a lesser liberal to simply block a greater liberal.

[corbe]

   You're more perceptive than I @Sighlass McCain was my last GOP Pres vote.

[goatprairie]

Lots of us 'Davidsons' are in exodus from your corrupted, deceitful and manipulative party.  I have 25 years in and for nothing.

The Statist Left have successfully infiltrated and taken over the Republican party as readily as the Marxist Left took over the Democrat party. 

Polish the turd all you like, bash the messenger all you like.

The fruits of your party on the national level are less than worthless.

It is time for Conservatives to move their support elsewhere if they want to keep their principles alive in the political sense.

Move it where?

[aligncare]

No political party on the horizon appears anywhere near capable of taking more than just a few protest votes away from the main parties. Like it or not, we're stuck with a two party country.

In full disclosure, I re-registered Independent after it became apparent the GOP was withholding support from Donald Trump. I wasn't expecting a ringing endorsement for "the uncouth outsider," but at least put up a show for their own nominee.

Short of switching registration, I don't see a way forward for conservatives except to vote strategically for the most conservative candidate likely to win. And those are found at the national level primarily within the R party.

[TomSea]

No political party on the horizon appears anywhere near capable of taking more than just a few protest votes away from the main parties. Like it or not, we're stuck with a two party country.

In full disclosure, I re-registered Independent after it became apparent the GOP was withholding support from Donald Trump. I wasn't expecting a ringing endorsement for "the uncouth outsider," but at least put up a show for their own nominee.

Short of switching registration, I don't see a way forward for conservatives except to vote strategically for the most conservative candidate likely to win. And those are found at the national level primarily within the R party.

I think people like say Governor Walker in a lot of states do well on the local level.

And look at people like former Governor Rick Perry, he put Trump down real good last year; but, like adults should,  they seemed to work things later on and Perry is now energy secretary. And he's a former democrat as well; Perry can be criticized but at least, he has a record as an elected official.

Walker goes with the flow, was against Trump as well but they apparently have made amends as well.

[EasyAce]

I have wrote in someone the last three presidential elections and finally others are starting the see the wisdom of it.



McCain 2008 - did not get my vote (wrote in Duncan Hunter)

Mitt Romney 2012 - did not get my vote (wrote in Roy Moore)

Donald J. Trump 2016 - did not get my vote (wrote in Cruz)

Looking back in time, I'm proud of my non-winning votes. I didn't pick a traitor once.

In my state, the write-in presidential vote isn't an option, alas, but "None of These Candidates"
is. I cast that vote proudly in 2008 (a year after I moved to Las Vegas), 2012, and 2016. My
only regret is that I couldn't have the write-in vote last November, and thus was I unable
to write in Groucho Marx, on two sound grounds:

a) He once said, Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it, misdiagnosing it, and
misapplying the wrong solutions, a comment that shows more political wisdom than any-
thing coming from the mouth of any candidate or officeholder in my lifetime; and,

b) Artemus Ward's maxim that if we can't find a live manperson who amounts to anything,
by all means let us have a first class corpse. (And if the dead in Chicago can still vote, why
can't the living vote for the dead, who'd surely do far less damage to what remains of the
republic than the living have been doing?)

[INVAR]

No political party on the horizon appears anywhere near capable of taking more than just a few protest votes away from the main parties. Like it or not, we're stuck with a two party country.

Some said the same thing about remaining under the rule of the Crown.

Short of switching registration, I don't see a way forward for conservatives except to vote strategically for the most conservative candidate likely to win. And those are found at the national level primarily within the R party.

Time to begin changing that, if there is still a remote chance to avoid what is necessary to stop tyranny and corruption. 

You go ahead and continue practicing insanity thinking you are advancing Conservatism.   You're not.

You're burying it and deceiving yourself that your actions are the best way to advance those principles in two totally corrupted parties who loathe limited government as much as Stalin did.

[TomSea]

The Democratic/Obama agenda was so left wing, you bet, I'll do what ever pragmatically can stop that roll.

Sure, there is plenty to criticize, Reagan can also be criticized for what he did; but I see he adorns the header of this forum as something to look up to and in most cases, that is correct.