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Re: Ex-Cruz aide: Trump presidency 'is effectively over'
« Reply #25 on: July 28, 2017, 06:23:53 pm »
Over? Did He say over? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the German's bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no! And it ain't over now for Trump.  Cuz when the going gets tough ...  the going gets tough
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Re: Ex-Cruz aide: Trump presidency 'is effectively over'
« Reply #26 on: July 28, 2017, 06:24:26 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on July 28, 2017, 06:20:38 pm
I really did think he could change, and could pivot effectively from campaigning to governing.   I thought most of his Cabinet picks were outstanding.    But I've given up hope - he cannot manage effectively,  he's increasingly erratic, he's sowed a culture of chaos,  and he won't do the hard work needed to advance his legislative priorities.  All he can do is tweet.   

We need President Pence, the sooner the better.

Yes, it's very sad. I had hoped he could rise to the challenge.  He's got some very good qualities going for him, but he lets the chaos override everything else. 
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Re: Ex-Cruz aide: Trump presidency 'is effectively over'
« Reply #27 on: July 28, 2017, 06:32:09 pm »
Quote from: Sanguine on July 28, 2017, 06:24:26 pm
Yes, it's very sad. I had hoped he could rise to the challenge.  He's got some very good qualities going for him, but he lets the chaos override everything else.

There was a constructive reason for the chaos at first, it kept the opposition off balance.  Well, that part worked fine and now he's keeping what are supposed to be his allies off balance.  That's pointless.  This health-care fiasco is a case in point.  No excuse for letting McCain wander off the plantation last night.  McCain said he went "Nay" because Governor Ducey didn't like the bill.  That would have been a great time to call his pal Ducey (a fellow CEO of a company) and explained how the bill was a good one (even if it wasn't).

Trump didn't bother.  He still doesn't know how to play the game, and he's not learning.  Oh sure, I can hear the words now, "He's changing the rules of the rigged game!"  When you sit down at the Monopoly board, you know the rules, there's no changing them after the game starts.
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Re: Ex-Cruz aide: Trump presidency 'is effectively over'
« Reply #28 on: July 28, 2017, 06:52:12 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on July 28, 2017, 05:37:29 pm
Purge what Conservative relevance?  The country was ready for change.  If Conservatives had any relevance, they would have won.   It's really that simple.

Face it, there hasn't been any Conservative relevance since Ronald Reagan.  Perhaps it's time to do something more than whine about it and point fingers???

Actually do something? Make convincing efforts? Or just issue forth repetitive, lengthy essays?

Conservatives as a class, have lost the willingness to learn effective arguments and to make them. They actually believe that threats to not vote, or to vote 3rd party get anything worthwhile, accomplished in terms of getting conservative RESULTS.
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Re: Ex-Cruz aide: Trump presidency 'is effectively over'
« Reply #29 on: July 28, 2017, 07:00:43 pm »
Quote from: truth_seeker on July 28, 2017, 06:52:12 pm
Conservatives as a class, have lost the willingness to learn effective arguments and to make them. They actually believe that threats to not vote, or to vote 3rd party get anything worthwhile, accomplished in terms of getting conservative RESULTS.

What it means is that Conservatives who actually have a brain to think with have figured out that the party they called 'home' is irrevocably corrupt and broken and there is no 'fixing' it given the rules changes to ensure the Oligarchy remains untouched by any attempt at grassroots replacement that is not groomed through them.

So, as the Colonies figured out back in 1775-76, their 'government' was a tyranny not worth working with anymore - and they went independent to effect change.

Which is the model Principled Conservatives have decided to follow.

Time to start over from scratch.
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Re: Ex-Cruz aide: Trump presidency 'is effectively over'
« Reply #30 on: July 28, 2017, 07:17:59 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on July 28, 2017, 05:40:45 pm
WTF???  LOL!   I had nothing, and I do mean NOTHING, to do with bringing anybody Trump.

Get.... a..... (much needed).... clue.


Who did you vote for?
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Re: Ex-Cruz aide: Trump presidency 'is effectively over'
« Reply #31 on: July 28, 2017, 07:20:45 pm »
Quote from: bolobaby on July 28, 2017, 07:17:59 pm
Who did you vote for?

I voted for the Constitution Party, Castle.  And I would do it again if the election were held today. 
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Re: Ex-Cruz aide: Trump presidency 'is effectively over'
« Reply #32 on: July 28, 2017, 08:05:01 pm »
Election day arrives after months - years even, in which a candidate's popularity, which eventually translates to votes, is sampled. So we have a pretty good idea where the candidates stand. Of course some candidates can rise and some can sputter and hit a brick wall. But, on the whole we have a pretty good idea of where they stand -- popularity wise.

But if on Election morning my candidate has gained 0 traction, polling in low single digits, there'd be no way I could have in good conscience voted for that candidate. Not with Hillary in the room. No way.

But, I assume you made your statement as you wished. Surprised to hear you'd make it again the same way.

Votes are wonderful things. Personally, I could never have done that in the 2016 election.
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Re: Ex-Cruz aide: Trump presidency 'is effectively over'
« Reply #33 on: July 28, 2017, 08:15:30 pm »
Quote from: aligncare on July 28, 2017, 05:08:14 pm
I must say, pithy logic and common sense seem to be your strongest suit. Of course, you have many more fine qualities, too. But, I'll leave those for later -- don't want too many splodie heads from the NT contingent -- might leave too big a mess for our ever vigilant moderators to clean up after.

It is a shame some things never last anymore.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,233998.msg1140360.html#msg1140360
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Re: Ex-Cruz aide: Trump presidency 'is effectively over'
« Reply #34 on: July 28, 2017, 08:26:01 pm »
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Re: Ex-Cruz aide: Trump presidency 'is effectively over'
« Reply #35 on: July 28, 2017, 08:29:33 pm »
This is rather a little premature.  Trump hasn't yet done anything so catastrophic that he can't recover from it.  There are 3-1/2 years left, so there's time for a turn around. 

It ain't over til it's over.  The fat lady may be testing her pipes, but she ain't singing yet. 
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Re: Ex-Cruz aide: Trump presidency 'is effectively over'
« Reply #36 on: July 28, 2017, 08:31:12 pm »
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Re: Ex-Cruz aide: Trump presidency 'is effectively over'
« Reply #37 on: July 28, 2017, 08:31:47 pm »
Quote from: Oceander on July 28, 2017, 08:29:33 pm
This is rather a little premature.  Trump hasn't yet done anything so catastrophic that he can't recover from it.  There are 3-1/2 years left, so there's time for a turn around. 

It ain't over til it's over.  The fat lady may be testing her pipes, but she ain't singing yet.

Unless Trump changes it's over.

And he won't change, in all likelihood.

Therefor it's over.
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Re: Ex-Cruz aide: Trump presidency 'is effectively over'
« Reply #38 on: July 28, 2017, 08:38:15 pm »
Quote from: Weird Tolkienish Figure on July 28, 2017, 08:31:47 pm
Unless Trump changes it's over.

And he won't change, in all likelihood.

Therefor it's over.

Nixon was far more popular than Trump and not constantly attacking his own party.

Trump will eject before the end of his first term.

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Re: Ex-Cruz aide: Trump presidency 'is effectively over'
« Reply #39 on: July 28, 2017, 08:42:11 pm »
Quote from: Cripplecreek on July 28, 2017, 08:38:15 pm
Nixon was far more popular than Trump and not constantly attacking his own party.

Trump will eject before the end of his first term.

Yeah, and I don't think he'll be pardoned either. I think it will be a riches to rags situation for the whole Trump clan.
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Re: Ex-Cruz aide: Trump presidency 'is effectively over'
« Reply #40 on: July 28, 2017, 08:52:43 pm »
Quote from: Weird Tolkienish Figure on July 28, 2017, 08:42:11 pm
Yeah, and I don't think he'll be pardoned either. I think it will be a riches to rags situation for the whole Trump clan.

That wouldn't be all bad.  Melania can come live in the treehouse in my back yard.
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Re: Ex-Cruz aide: Trump presidency 'is effectively over'
« Reply #41 on: July 28, 2017, 08:53:26 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on July 28, 2017, 07:20:45 pm
I voted for the Constitution Party, Castle.  And I would do it again if the election were held today. 

Well, who the heck was that obnoxious white-cat-avatar Trumpette?
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Re: Ex-Cruz aide: Trump presidency 'is effectively over'
« Reply #42 on: July 28, 2017, 08:56:10 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on July 28, 2017, 04:35:56 pm
What would you do to bring McCain, Murkowski and Collins into the fold @Weird Tolkienish Figure

Tell us all what the President missed.  Be specific---this is your moment to truly shine.

@Right_in_Virginia @Weird Tolkienish Figure

That's an easy one.  The president spends time in those states giving speech after speech after speech presenting a coherent argument for at the ACA must be repealed.  You state again and again and again that "your senators promised to repeal it". You cause those three drooling buffoons to catch unbearable heat from their constituents.  It's how it is done.

Of course the problem with this scenario in this particular instance is that our illustrious president cannot string two coherent sentences together, let alone make a coherent argument.
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Re: Ex-Cruz aide: Trump presidency 'is effectively over'
« Reply #43 on: July 28, 2017, 08:56:10 pm »
Quote from: bolobaby on July 28, 2017, 08:53:26 pm
Well, who the heck was that obnoxious white-cat-avatar Trumpette?

She still posts here, she posted the other day.
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Re: Ex-Cruz aide: Trump presidency 'is effectively over'
« Reply #44 on: July 28, 2017, 08:57:11 pm »
Quote from: bolobaby on July 28, 2017, 08:53:26 pm
Well, who the heck was that obnoxious white-cat-avatar Trumpette?

Just look elsewhere on this thread friend
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Re: Ex-Cruz aide: Trump presidency 'is effectively over'
« Reply #46 on: July 28, 2017, 08:58:27 pm »
Quote from: bolobaby on July 28, 2017, 08:53:26 pm
Well, who the heck was that obnoxious white-cat-avatar Trumpette?

Which obnoxious white-cat-avatar?  Waitaminute...that didn't come out right...

Ooops, @XenaLee  :tongue2:
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Re: Ex-Cruz aide: Trump presidency 'is effectively over'
« Reply #47 on: July 28, 2017, 09:45:14 pm »
Quote from: Axeslinger on July 28, 2017, 08:57:11 pm
Just look elsewhere on this thread friend

AH! I've had that person on ignore for a while, so even their avatar doesn't show up. Heh.

Apologies, @XenaLee, for conflating you with someone else.
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Re: Ex-Cruz aide: Trump presidency 'is effectively over'
« Reply #48 on: July 28, 2017, 11:55:25 pm »
Quote from: bolobaby on July 28, 2017, 09:45:14 pm
AH! I've had that person on ignore for a while, so even their avatar doesn't show up. Heh.

Apologies, @XenaLee, for conflating you with someone else.

No problem   ^-^. 
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Re: Ex-Cruz aide: Trump presidency 'is effectively over'
« Reply #49 on: July 28, 2017, 11:58:42 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on July 28, 2017, 08:58:27 pm
Which obnoxious white-cat-avatar?  Waitaminute...that didn't come out right...

Ooops, @XenaLee  :tongue2:

Careful.  I'm watching you.   You shall not escape my wrath!   22222frying pan ****slapping :bash: :2gunz: 13859

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