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Venezuela's Perfect Storm for Oil May Be About to Break
« on: July 24, 2017, 01:46:45 pm »
Venezuela's Perfect Storm for Oil May Be About to Break
https://www.bloomberg.com/gadfly/articles/2017-07-21/venezuela-oil-storm-may-be-about-to-hit-the-market

"We may be about to see the first sovereign producer to unequivocally fail.

"The oil producer in question is Venezuela, and that assessment comes courtesy of Helima Croft, who is global head of commodity strategy at RBC Capital Markets and formerly worked with both the Council on Foreign Relations and the CIA.

In a global oil market mired in excess inventory and low expectations, Venezuela is the most tangible of wildcards. Its tragic and volatile mix of a failing, oil-dependent economy, political gridlock and simmering unrest is well known at this point.

But things are building to a head, partly due to the relentless logic of the bond market and partly due to the more proprietary logic of U.S. foreign policy.

Venezuelan bonds, which haven't looked rock-solid for a few years, crashed this week as embattled President Nicola Maduro renewed calls to rewrite the country's constitution, which would effectively disenfranchise the millions of Venezuelans who oppose him and entrench his regime. The U.S. has warned it may impose much tougher sanctions if Maduro goes ahead with his plan.

Whether Maduro will, and what those sanctions might be, are the big unknowns here. But there's an awful confluence of factors that could quite easily push this toward a debacle by the end of the year.

Venezuela's economy is in free-fall: By the end of this year, it will have shrunk by 32 percent compared to where it was at the end of 2013, according to International Monetary Fund forecasts. Also by the end of this year, the government is on the hook to pay back more than $5 billion in debt -- including bonds owed by the state-owned oil champion, Petróleos de Venezuela, S.A., or PdVSA -- plus billions more in interest. As of this week, Venezuela's international reserves stood at less than $10 billion.

Meanwhile, mismanagement, a lack of investment and re-nationalization of foreign oil companies' interests have caused Venezuela's oil production to slump from around 3.3 million barrels a day a decade ago to about 2 million now. Even allowing for the fact that domestic consumption has dwindled along with GDP, Venezuela's surplus of oil available for earning export dollars has shrunk considerably.

Compounding this is the fact that the country must devote a lot of its output to paying off loans from China and Russia, further reducing the actual amount it can use to generate cash. Francisco Monaldi, a fellow in Latin American energy policy at Rice University's Baker Institute for Public Policy, estimates that could be as little as 800,000 barrels a day....
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Re: Venezuela's Perfect Storm for Oil May Be About to Break
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2017, 01:50:31 pm »
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Doesn't help that only a few select refineries have the ability to process their ultra-sour crude.   I hope they drown in it.
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Re: Venezuela's Perfect Storm for Oil May Be About to Break
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2017, 01:56:06 pm »
U.S. eyes financial sanctions to cut off Venezuela’s oil revenue amid ongoing protests over Maduro
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/07/23/world/politics-diplomacy-world/u-s-eyes-financial-sanctions-cut-off-venezuelas-oil-revenue-amid-ongoing-protests-maduro/#.WXX8Iojys2x

The United States is considering financial sanctions on Venezuela that will halt dollar payments for the country’s oil, according to a senior White House official and an adviser with direct knowledge of the discussions.

The move could severely restrict the OPEC nation’s crude exports and starve its socialist government of hard currency.

Sanctions prohibiting any transaction in U.S. currency by Venezuela’s state-run oil firm, PDVSA, are among the toughest of various oil-related measures under discussion at the White House, the two sources said.

The administration aims to pressure socialist President Nicolas Maduro into aborting plans for a controversial new congress that critics say will cement him as a dictator.

Venezuela’s oil-based economy is in the grip of a brutal recession and a local currency crash, and Maduro has faced months of anti-government unrest that has claimed the lives of about 100 people. Sanctions on dollar transactions would make it even harder for Maduro’s government to secure cash for debt payments and finance imports of basic goods.

Venezuela’s opposition called a two-day national strike against Maduro after another day of violent clashes Saturday, where the injured included a violinist famous for his musical protests.

The opposition coalition — which organized a 24-hour shutdown last week that was heeded by millions and paralyzed large swaths of the South American nation — said the next strike will be Wednesday and Thursday.

Mass marches are also planned for Monday and Friday....
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Re: Venezuela's Perfect Storm for Oil May Be About to Break
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2017, 02:14:10 pm »
The United States is considering financial sanctions on Venezuela that will halt dollar payments for the country’s oil, according to a senior White House official and an adviser with direct knowledge of the discussions.

We should stay hands-off.  Let them sink or swim on their own. 

Interfering would give credence to those who say the US intervenes wherever there's oil. 
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Re: Venezuela's Perfect Storm for Oil May Be About to Break
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2017, 02:22:24 pm »
We should stay hands-off.  Let them sink or swim on their own. 

Interfering would give credence to those who say the US intervenes wherever there's oil.

It won't be on their own; it will be with the Russians and/or Chinese.  And then one of those will control the Citgo properties including three refineries in the US, 48 petroleum product terminals, 3 fully-owned pipelines and 6 jointly-owned pipelines.

I'm not suggesting in any way the US government should be bailing them out.  They are going to sink.  We should be prepared for the impacts to ourselves.
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« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2017, 02:43:06 pm »
It won't be on their own; it will be with the Russians and/or Chinese.  And then one of those will control the Citgo properties including three refineries in the US, 48 petroleum product terminals, 3 fully-owned pipelines and 6 jointly-owned pipelines.

I'm not suggesting in any way the US government should be bailing them out.  They are going to sink.  We should be prepared for the impacts to ourselves.

Fine. Buy them out.  I don't disagree with a trade, a financial transaction.  But currency games, no.
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« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2017, 02:44:26 pm »
Fine. Buy them out.  I don't disagree with a trade, a financial transaction.  But currency games, no.

Nope.  Any help we give them will be re-nationalized later.  Let them drown.
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« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2017, 02:54:26 pm »
Nope.  Any help we give them will be re-nationalized later.  Let them drown.

You think they will nationalize assets in the US that are owned by other entities in the US?
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« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2017, 05:27:24 pm »
You think they will nationalize assets in the US that are owned by other entities in the US?

No.  I meant any aid in infrastructure there.
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« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2017, 05:28:27 pm »
No.  I meant any aid in infrastructure there.

I'm not suggesting any aid.
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Re: Venezuela's Perfect Storm for Oil May Be About to Break
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2017, 05:42:26 pm »
I'm not suggesting any aid.

I know you weren't.

These banana republic type despot run places sweet talk companies (with US funds) into building, only to have the assets go the way of the Nationalization Train.  Venezuela has done it twice now.  Even Pavlov's Dog got the message the third time.

I think our confusion is in that help can come from both the public and private sector. 
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Re: Venezuela's Perfect Storm for Oil May Be About to Break
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2017, 05:57:24 pm »
It won't be on their own; it will be with the Russians and/or Chinese.  And then one of those will control the Citgo properties including three refineries in the US, 48 petroleum product terminals, 3 fully-owned pipelines and 6 jointly-owned pipelines.

I'm not suggesting in any way the US government should be bailing them out.  They are going to sink.  We should be prepared for the impacts to ourselves.

Do you mean that Venezuela might sell off rights to its oil?

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« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2017, 06:10:23 pm »
Do you mean that Venezuela might sell off rights to its oil?

Venezuela has already used oil payments as a way to get loans.

Selling off mineral rights to produce their oil by an outside party would be a large risk to the investor.  Too likely for Venezuela to nationalize after the investment and development.

Venezuela falls behind on oil-for-loan deals with China, Russia
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-oil-insight-idUSKBN15O2BC

Venezuela's state-run oil company, PDVSA, has fallen months behind on shipments of crude and fuel under oil-for-loan deals with China and Russia, according to internal company documents reviewed by Reuters.

The delayed shipments to such crucial political allies and trading partners - which together have extended Venezuela at least $55 billion in credit - provide new insight into PDVSA's operational failures and their crippling impact on the country's unraveling socialist economy....
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Re: Venezuela's Perfect Storm for Oil May Be About to Break
« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2017, 06:16:45 pm »
China Could Have a Say on Venezuela's Future
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-07-18/china-could-have-a-say-on-venezuela-s-future

...Here's where China comes in: Venezuela owes it more than $62 billion for loans, and is behind in the oil shipments used for payment. A Venezuelan default -- or worse, a slide into civil war -- is not in China's interests. On the other hand, China could benefit from better ties with Venezuela's opposition parties, which have threatened to repudiate debt instruments that lack the legislature's approval. More broadly, Chinese aid and investments are crucial to Venezuela's escape from economic misery.

A Chinese-led effort to show Maduro the error of his ways might have some impact. Meanwhile, the U.S. and other countries should emphasize that rewriting the constitution in the face of public opposition would only deepen Venezuela's isolation and stiffen the penalties against it.

What about China's vaunted pledge of "non-interference" in other countries' internal affairs? Given the choices it faces in Venezuela, China may have little choice but to intercede -- for its own good and for the benefit of the region. President Xi Jinping's has often spoken of China's larger aspirations for global leadership. In Venezuela, he has an opportunity to use China's leverage to help prevent the country with the world's largest oil reserves from turning into a failed state....
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Re: Venezuela's Perfect Storm for Oil May Be About to Break
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2017, 01:35:51 am »
Selling off mineral rights to produce their oil by an outside party would be a large risk to the investor.  Too likely for Venezuela to nationalize after the investment and development.
Re nationalization: Fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice, shame on me.  Fool me a third time and, gee, I don't know what that should be.  But it is unlikely to happen.

China and Russia are in our back yard, and more likely to go after someone's oil provinces closer to them elsewhere.
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