The Coming GOP Electoral 'Health Care' Disaster

[endicom]

PJ Media
Michael Walsh
July 16, 2017

It is ironic, but somehow fitting, that the illness of one of the worst men in American political life should be the thing that might save the Republican Party from the ineptitude of its leadership and its own cowardly instincts. I'm referring, of course, to John McCain, a man who's been in the public eye since his Vietnam captivity in the 1960s and has contributed exactly nothing since to the country he professes to serve. So maybe inadvertently delaying the "health care plan" vote in the Senate, if that can enable its defeat, is the way McCain can finally make up for his years as a showboating, self-aggrandizing "maverick" who never met a political friend he didn't want to stab in the back, nor enemy he didn't wish to cozy up to.

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First off, nothing we are talking about here has anything to do with "health care." Health care is when your family doctor arrives at your sickbed to diagnose you and prescribe medication. Rather, the congressional bills have to do with medical insurance, which is something entirely separate and apart from health care -- although leave it to both parties to deliberately confuse the two in order to play on taxpayers' emotions and deceive them as to Washington's real intentions.

More... https://pjmedia.com/michaelwalsh/2017/07/16/the-coming-gop-electoral-health-care-disaster/

[corbe]

   Good Article, @endicom I wasn't reminded until the 4th or 5th paragraph why I don't get over to PJMedia much anymore

Congressional Oath should begin with, "first, do no harm." That's why I said before the 2014 midterms that the ideal outcome in the Senate would be a Republican victory and a McConnell defeat in Kentucky. "Leaders" in the Senate come cheap, as every senator sees himself as a president-in-waiting (even Ted Cruz, whose chance at being popularly elected to the White House is somewhat less than Vladimir Putin's); even Trump's naked attempt to curry favor with the majority leader by appointing Mrs. McConnell, Elain Chao, to the useless sinecure of secretary of transportation has failed to light a fire under Yertle the Turtle.

    But there was a lot of good insight here, reading the article in it's entirety, rare here, I know. and I appreciate you posting this.

[endicom]

   Good Article, @endicom I wasn't reminded until the 4th or 5th paragraph why I don't get over to PJMedia much anymore


    But there was a lot of good insight here, reading the article in it's entirety, rare here, I know. and I appreciate you posting this.

Walsh doesn't hold back so he's, at the least, interesting.

[INVAR]

taxpaying Americans desired, therefore, was Repeal -- not Replace. Nobody asked for Replace. Nobody wants Replace -- except, naturally, the Beltway Busybodies, who never met an intrusive program or a new tax they didn't love. I've been warning on Twitter for months now that the worst thing that could possibly happen to the GOP is that they somehow get Replace passed. Why? Because then they own the hot potato of Obamacare forever, and will be punished accordingly.

^^^ THIS.

I have already dumped the GOP, but I will go to war against it as assuredly I do the Democrats when they rebrand ObamaCare instead of Repeal it as promised.

As the article states, The primary Conservative principle is getting the government OUT of medical care and deregulating medical insurance, and it wouldn't cost a dime.

But some, even among us insist that ObamaCare and government-run healthcare is here to stay and get angry at even the suggestion.

[RoosGirl]

A fix that wouldn't cost a dime?!  The horror!  How would they bribe certain members to pass such a bill?

[Hondo69]

Next election, I might vote straight ticket for once in my life just for the heck of it.  Will it matter which side I choose?

[INVAR]

Next election, I might vote straight ticket for once in my life just for the heck of it.  Will it matter which side I choose?

Judging by the fruits....


NOPE.

I know I know........ the name Gorsuch is going to be dropped, but being handed a bone, patted on the head while they all go full-tilt Socialism is not exactly 'winning' or giving a choice outside of one party more leftwing than the other.

[endicom]

Next election, I might vote straight ticket for once in my life just for the heck of it.  Will it matter which side I choose?

In terms of outcome, in some districts it might matter and in others not.

[jpsb]

Nobody voted for repeal and replace, we voted repeal, period.

[Fantom]

^^^ THIS.

I have already dumped the GOP, but I will go to war against it as assuredly I do the Democrats when they rebrand ObamaCare instead of Repeal it as promised.

As the article states, The primary Conservative principle is getting the government OUT of medical care and deregulating medical insurance, and it wouldn't cost a dime.

But some, even among us insist that ObamaCare and government-run healthcare is here to stay and get angry at even the suggestion.

Go to "war"  really, just who are you gong to vote for?

Not meaning to "jerk" your chain. But , unfortunately, all democrats are craven leftist. So too are the "centrist" RINO's in the repub party. Unfortunately there are too few Ted Cruz's and Mike Lee's.

Would that there were more.

So , do we "Go too War". Or take a bite at the apple, hopefully to return with a larger Senate in 2018.. and take a bigger bite when the likes of democrat Collins is not one of three votes to sink us ..but maybe one of 8-14 votes.

That is what will dis-empower the RINO democrats.... less need of their votes. 

[Fantom]

Nobody voted for repeal and replace, we voted repeal, period.

Well , unless 60 million voters go on strike..shut down the country.... not going to happen.

I am willing to go on strike. Lets do it for one day. Next week two days.. beef rotting on the freeways, power plants shut down.

Short of a shooting war.. what other choice?

[TomSea]

The biggest problem is still how the Democrats controlled the House, the Senate and the Presidency to push this through in 2009. It's an entitlement and it is tougher than nails to get a consensus on this.

[INVAR]

Go to "war"  really, just who are you gong to vote for?

Third Party Conservative.  I really don't give a rat's ass what the 'chances' are of a "win" given the amount of corruption that is now institutionalized.

So , do we "Go too War". Or take a bite at the apple, hopefully to return with a larger Senate in 2018.. and take a bigger bite when the likes of democrat Collins is not one of three votes to sink us ..but maybe one of 8-14 votes.

I am done practicing insanity with an entrenched oligarchy.  You are certainly free to once again play Charlie Brown while Lucy holds the football.  I'm done with it.

That is what will dis-empower the RINO democrats.... less need of their votes.

I tried that for 3 decades and we have fared worse and worse each cycle until today... today we have a lifelong NYC Liberal Democrat with a Tweet problem as head of the GOP.

We've all been suckered, and the Democrats have successfully taken over the GOP exactly as the Commies said they would do to both parties.

To grand applause I might add.

Screw Party.  Screw faction.

I vote principles and they are not found in the GOP anymore and I have no faith or belief they will ever be upheld by entrusting anyone running in their party.

[truth_seeker]

Does anybody know for certain that Collins ran on repeal, replace? Same for Murkowski, and a few others.

I assume Rand Paul is a special case, whereby he would vote for repeal, but not for repeal/replace. How many others in that category?

The rant seems to be that voters are entitled to have every GOP Senator vote for repeal, regardless of whether they individually made such a promise.

If Trump cannot persuade a few to go along with the party, he is not much of a Nazi, a Fascist, or a monarch.

[roamer_1]

The rant seems to be that voters are entitled to have every GOP Senator vote for repeal, regardless of whether they individually made such a promise.

And party platform and planks then mean nothing. What should be happening is strong-arming to KEEP THEIR PROMISES and adhering to the platform. Not strong arming to get out of those promises and teat down the platform.

If Trump cannot persuade a few to go along with the party, he is not much of a Nazi, a Fascist, or a monarch.

Right. And neither is he much of a dealmaker, salesman, or leader. Hate to say I told you so, but I did.

[Hondo69]

Not that long ago the liberal media was asking, "Is the Republican Party dead?"  They were asking because the Democrats controlled all 3 branches of government - the presidency, Congress and the media.

As it turns out, no, the Republican party wasn't dead at all.  But since the Republicans will never control the media they will always remain in "turtle mode" and hide in their shell at the first hint of controversy.

[Suppressed]

Nobody voted for repeal and replace, we voted repeal, period.

Many, many people voted for repeal and replace.   Not everyone who voted for GOP is in favor of repeal only.

[truth_seeker]

Many, many people voted for repeal and replace.   Not everyone who voted for GOP is in favor of repeal only.

Trump said "repeal and replace." But each GOP Senate and House candidate in 2016 said what they INDIVIDUALLY said.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJXR2zUdmAU

[bilo]

In a new twist, the final version of the amendment leaves in place Obamacare’s requirement for insurers in every state to have one single risk pool rather than one for sicker individuals and one for healthier individuals as had been originally envisioned. That means that as currently written, the Cruz proposal would be asking insurers to operate plans governed by two different regulatory regimes within a single risk pool. The novel idea comes with many complicated implications, has left even the most seasoned healthcare experts scratching their heads as they try to game out how this might work in the real world, and has left many inside the insurance industry uneasy.


http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2017/07/17/the-tweak-that-could-cost-mike-lees-vote-and-sink-the-healthcare-bill/

More and more it looks like the Pubs are trying to just leave obamacare in place. I would expect all conservatives to vote no if this is in the bill.

I am so disgusted with the Pubs I can't put it into words.

[Hoodat]

Nobody voted for repeal and replace, we voted repeal, period.

In 2012, we had a candidate who supported exactly that.  Don't know how we strayed away from that in only four short years.

[bilo]

I see Sen Lee has now come out against the bill.

The Pubs can stop trying to "thread the needle" and actually vote for the House bill with the original Cruz amendment attached, or reach across the aisle and embrace single payer through medicaid.

What a mess.

[Hondo69]

Hey Congress, you had no problem whatsoever sending Obama 7 different repeal bills - just dust one of those off you dingleberries.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

@Suppressed

Many, many people voted for repeal and replace.   Not everyone who voted for GOP is in favor of repeal only.

I simply don't understand why some people refuse to accept that.  This "I know that everyone thinks exactly the same way I do" is simply juvenile self-delusion.   This particular article claims that "repeal and replace":
 

"is something that exactly nobody voted for in the three straight congressional elections of 2010, 2012 and 2014, and in the presidential election last year, but never mind

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All taxpaying Americans desired, therefore, was Repeal -- not Replace. Nobody asked for Replace. Nobody wants Replace -- except, naturally, the Beltway Busybodies, who never met an intrusive program or a new tax they didn't love.

Under what rock has that ator been living, and who the hell appointed him to speak for "all taxpaying Americans"????  I mean, I wanted just repeal and no replace, but I'm not self-centered enough to believe that every single other taxpayer wanted the same thing.  Hell, I know plenty of taxpayers who did want to keep parts of ObamaCare.

This is really the part of this entire discussion I find the most frustrating.  The insistence on the part of some that everyone else voted for the exact same things they did.  I can say for a fact that my GOP Senator, Portman, did campaign on keeping some parts of ObamaCare, so if you voted for him, you had fair warning that's what he was going to do.