Trump v. everyone

[INVAR]

She is mocking you because someone who hated Trump, hates Trump and will always hate Trump is pretending to take some high road.

So you fell victim to the meme that anytime we disagree that automatically makes us 'haters'?

Wow.

I guess the warning that if possible even the elect would be deceived is very true.

Fact is that your just pissed that no one is flocking to your #NT side over any of this phony baloney bullshit.

Is that what you think the 'fact' is Frank? 

Do you see any of my comments or posts about the Trump/Russian conspiracy???

No.  You don't. 

There aren't any.

Because it is as you say - phony baloney bullshit.

That doesn't give Trump a pass on the atmosphere he created, his stupid and juvenile tweeting, his support of the first Senate healthcare bill, his threat to Primary members of the Freedom Caucus, his demand for loyalty, his pimping of his kid's 'family leave' and foundational initiative at the G-20 leaders while ponying up 50 million bucks of taxpayer money to 'jump-start' it...

I guess if pointing those things out makes me a 'hater' and upset in your estimation because no one if flocking to 'my side' - so be it.

[Oceander]

"President Trump"

/snicker

[driftdiver]

I have gone to town halls and participated in the process.  We are talking about Trump here. I am not a supporter or a NT, I was willing to give him a chance and see what happened.  So far I'm not impressed.  Sorry if that upsets you.

@Mom MD
We're 5 1/2 months into his administration, just how much should we expect?   Perhaps he should have solved world hunger by now?   Is parroting the lies of the leftists going to help get things done?   Focusing on irrelevant non-issues the answer?    Rehashing the deplorable tactics he used to get elected?

Because I don't see things getting any better if somehow Trump is forced from office.   Is the GOP gonna suddenly be pushing a conservative agenda?   Please help me, you're quite well educated, maybe you see something that I've missed.

The only way we (America & conservatives) come out with anything resembling a win is to work with the Trump administration and try to get conservative agenda items pushed through.

[RoosGirl]

Yeah right!.....

 

[truth_seeker]

So you fell victim to the meme that anytime we disagree that automatically makes us 'haters'?

You automatically throw around your overused, ridiculous term of "Trump militants," in almost every sermon.

[Right_in_Virginia]

What is the point of all this complaining about Trump.   I don't recall most of these people being this opposed to Obama but perhaps I missed it.   But now every single little thing is made into a major issue.  There is no discussion about whats going right, no grudging acknowledgment that he nominated a damn fine man to the Supreme Court.   They only focus is on anything that will weaken Trump.   There isn't even any discussion on convincing Trump to change his position, something he is very apparently open too.

Nope, its just bitch, moan, insults and then claim aggrieved status when challenged on it.

The point of all this complaining about and tarnishing of President Trump is, IMO, to stop him.  He has challenged every nook and cranny of established power ... nationally and globally; Republican, Conservative and Democrat.

When I read articles aimed solely at diminishing Donald Trump, the same questions are raised for me:  which side are you on; who are you actually helping?  It is why I find those Republic/Conservatives who embrace such articles as gospel---and delight in them---to be useful idiots. 

As for meaningful discussion .... that's tough to do when swimming against a tidal wave of adolescent feelings and misplaced righteous indignation.  For far too many Republicans and Conservatives emotional gratification has replaced winning strategic victories and fighting the true enemy.  In all candor, I am beginning to recoil at any attempt to reason with them with logic and accomplishments of the administration.  Both appear to fall on willfully deaf ears.   

@driftdiver

[driftdiver]

The point of all this complaining about and tarnishing of President Trump is, IMO, to stop him.  He has challenged every nook and cranny of established power ... nationally and globally; Republican, Conservative and Democrat.

When I read articles aimed solely at diminishing Donald Trump, the same questions are raised for me:  which side are you on; who are you actually helping?  It is why I find those Republic/Conservatives who embrace such articles as gospel---and delight in them---to be useful idiots. 

As for meaningful discussion .... that's tough to do when swimming against a tidal wave of adolescent feelings and misplaced righteous indignation.  For far too many Republicans and Conservatives emotional gratification has replaced winning strategic victories and fighting the true enemy.  In all candor, I am beginning to recoil at any attempt to reason with them with logic and accomplishments of the administration.  Both appear to fall on willfully deaf ears.   

@driftdiver

Man I wish I was as articulate as you.

[Mom MD]

@Mom MD
We're 5 1/2 months into his administration, just how much should we expect?   Perhaps he should have solved world hunger by now?   Is parroting the lies of the leftists going to help get things done?   Focusing on irrelevant non-issues the answer?    Rehashing the deplorable tactics he used to get elected?

Because I don't see things getting any better if somehow Trump is forced from office.   Is the GOP gonna suddenly be pushing a conservative agenda?   Please help me, you're quite well educated, maybe you see something that I've missed.

The only way we (America & conservatives) come out with anything resembling a win is to work with the Trump administration and try to get conservative agenda items pushed through.

We aren't going to get anyone better to work with, that ship sailed when insanity prevailed in the primaries.
I would love to see the republicans work together to get things done, but they are too busy rolling over and showing the Dems their tummies hoping for a scratch or kind word.  What I would like to see from Trump is focus on the problems at had. He could use his twitter platform to hold congresses feet to the fire. Instead he picks wars with the media. Entertaining?  maybe.  Counterproductive - you betcha. He is wasting his platform and capital on petty sniping instead of working on the problems at hand. And for that I will be on his case.

[INVAR]

You automatically throw around your overused, ridiculous term of "Trump militants," in almost every sermon.

Certainly.  There are Trump Militants, the Trump Faithful, Trump Fans, and True Believers among those who just wish he would do what he promised during the campaign.

That they disagree with my assessment of their political hero and messiah does not make them 'haters'.

Misguided and wrong, but not 'haters'.

Little bit of a difference there I thought I might clear up.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Man I wish I was as articulate as you.

Why thank you....

@driftdiver

[driftdiver]

We aren't going to get anyone better to work with, that ship sailed when insanity prevailed in the primaries.
I would love to see the republicans work together to get things done, but they are too busy rolling over and showing the Dems their tummies hoping for a scratch or kind word.  What I would like to see from Trump is focus on the problems at had. He could use his twitter platform to hold congresses feet to the fire. Instead he picks wars with the media. Entertaining?  maybe.  Counterproductive - you betcha. He is wasting his platform and capital on petty sniping instead of working on the problems at hand. And for that I will be on his case.

Ahhh a breath of sanity, thank you.

I think his wars with the media do have some value.  While I would prefer he push his agenda what he's done has caused chaos in the media.   I doubt it was intentional but I think he's taking advantage of it.    The media needs to be lowered a few pegs and he might have just done it. 

I for one think an Administration can do more than one thing at a time.    He can be thumbing his nose at the media while his staff is accomplishing something.    The lack of GOP leadership in the  House and Senate is what is killing us.    I think its intentional, they are throwing out the baby with the bath water because they are part of the swamp.

[GrouchoTex]

From the moment he announce he was running, up until today, he has derided and insulted people from both sides of the aisle, the MSM, etc. You name it.
A lot of people cheered him on, "attaboy, way to go, give 'em hell!"
If you go out and call everyone out on their (some perceived, and some real) character flaws, why would anyone by surprised now, that it is done in return?
Now, I mean, really, now folks want to know why people from all over, of all political affiliations, don't really want to work with him? Really?
His supporters are saying "Everyone v. Trump", but the headline is correct, it's "Trump v. everyone".

Having said all that, I do like the Gorsuch pick, A LOT, and the deregulation, along with enforcement of the immigration laws (finally).
But there are things that bother me, like worrying if healthcare reform will be too "mean", and this Family leave thing.

Frankly, the one thing Trump hasn't seemed to grasp is that not everything is a battle.
Pick and choose them wisely.

[XenaLee]

Yeah right!.....

Hey.....there's the door!  (ooops)

[INVAR]

The point of all this complaining about and tarnishing of President Trump is, IMO, to stop him.

That's a bullshit and not-so-clever attempt to silence criticism.  To cover for Trump's behavior and distract  the notation of Trump walkbacks by imputing nefarious motives to those of us on this board who are not Democrats, as being guilty of sharing the same reasons of opposition to Trump that they do.

We're insisting Trump's feet be held to the fire of Conservative principles, something you people promised you would do in the election - but have thus far, willfully refused to do so.

Instead you people have resorted to this kind of garbage - which is just an extension of the crap flung about during the Primaries.

which side are you on; who are you actually helping? 

I'm on the side of the principles and heritage you have discarded in favor of pragmatic Populist Statism.

It is why I find those Republic/Conservatives who embrace such articles as gospel---and delight in them---to be useful idiots. 

I see you who use the same tactics as Saul Alinsky, as no different than Democrats.

As for meaningful discussion ....

You've told us that only happens when we agree with you.

In all candor, I am beginning to recoil at any attempt to reason with them with logic and accomplishments of the administration.

That's perfectly fine.  We've given up any attempt to persuade you to regard the Conservative principles you have discarded that the rest of us are governed by.

[XenaLee]

We aren't going to get anyone better to work with, that ship sailed when insanity prevailed in the primaries.
I would love to see the republicans work together to get things done, but they are too busy rolling over and showing the Dems their tummies hoping for a scratch or kind word.  What I would like to see from Trump is focus on the problems at had. He could use his twitter platform to hold congresses feet to the fire. Instead he picks wars with the media. Entertaining?  maybe.  Counterproductive - you betcha. He is wasting his platform and capital on petty sniping instead of working on the problems at hand. And for that I will be on his case.

I have to agree.  Obviously, (since nobody can deny it), that is spot-on.

[Hondo69]

I have gone to town halls and participated in the process.  We are talking about Trump here. I am not a supporter or a NT, I was willing to give him a chance and see what happened.  So far I'm not impressed.  Sorry if that upsets you.

I doesn't upset me personally one bit, to each his own.  From my viewpoint Trump has been kicking ass and taking names. 

I understand without the support of Congress there are limitations on what can be accomplished by one man.  Not to mention he's fighting against 80% of his own party, 100% of the other party, most every federal judge, 90% of the media, and the boogieman we call the Deep State.

Which is exactly why I'm pulling for him.

[alicewonders]

I doesn't upset me personally one bit, to each his own.  From my viewpoint Trump has been kicking ass and taking names. 

I understand without the support of Congress there are limitations on what can be accomplished by one man.  Not to mention he's fighting against 80% of his own party, 100% of the other party, most every federal judge, 90% of the media, and the boogieman we call the Deep State.

Which is exactly why I'm pulling for him.

Me too Hondo.   

[roamer_1]

So how about spending the energy of bitching about Trump to calling or writing letters to Congress.  Ya know the people actually writing the dang bills

I have. ALL of them, and read em the riot act about where they'll be if they follow trump into trumpcare. I also told em just how much I'd work for them if they didn't hear me, and where all that money I raise for them wouldn't go.

So I have every right to bitch, even by your standards.

[rodamala]

WINNING.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTtfVOyVsf0

[EasyAce]

Yeah right!.....

Damn, I thought behind that door was the big deal of the day . . . ;)

[corbe]

....with unwavering Admin support.   

   I just can't let this one go @DCPatriot  cheap shot.....there are a few here, more #nevertrump (whatever that is) than me and I have been called on the carpet more times than I want to admit, you are seriously mistaken, but it fits your argument....Myst allows that too.

   Why must the few of you disparage this Board?

[Frank Cannon]

Yeah right!.....

Yellow door? It's supposed to be green....

[Hondo69]

When Bush was elected president I wasn't overly excited, better than the alternative I figured.  Over time the media transformed from ape sh*t mode to double overdrive ape sh*t mode, which had the net effect of making me more supportive of Bush.  I don't know if it was the old rooting for the underdog syndrome or just naturally opposing the forces of evil on moral grounds. 

Pretty much the same with Sarah Palin.  I liked her just fine I guess but more than anything admired her hard work and tenacity.  But when the media went into full out Nazi Blitzkrieg mode and brutally attacked her and her family in every way humanly possible I became one of her biggest supporters.  Looking back I'm not sure if it was more being for Palin as it was against the dark forces hell bent on ruining this country.

Either way it became unmistakably clear to me that we were at war, and war has a way of forcing people to choose sides.

[roamer_1]

When Bush was elected president I wasn't overly excited, better than the alternative I figured.  Over time the media transformed from ape sh*t mode to double overdrive ape sh*t mode, which had the net effect of making me more supportive of Bush.  I don't know if it was the old rooting for the underdog syndrome or just naturally opposing the forces of evil on moral grounds. 

I was pretty done with dubya by the end of his first term. The ONLY reason I voted for him was the war... And calling me a 'nativist' blew the bottom out. By the end, when he was participant in the bailouts and dumping 3x the cash ever created (since dollars were invented) into the market... By then I was cussing him a blue streak.

Pretty much the same with Sarah Palin.  I liked her just fine I guess but more than anything admired her hard work and tenacity.  But when the media went into full out Nazi Blitzkrieg mode and brutally attacked her and her family in every way humanly possible I became one of her biggest supporters.  Looking back I'm not sure if it was more being for Palin as it was against the dark forces hell bent on ruining this country.

I though Palin was cute and personable, but I never did like her. Everywhere she went, when she left, somebody was paying more than when she came. And the predating the law putting incremental fees on oil companies flat did her in with me. It is not Conservative in the least to make laws proactive prior to the establishment of the law, and it is certainly not a Conservative tax that taxes at progressive rates. Another one I was hotly cussing before it was done.

I wouldn;t have voted for her, not to mention John McAin't.

[Hondo69]

My gripes with both Bush and Palin are many, I could go on and on.

But the point I was trying to make was that both were treated unfairly to the extent that the media crossed the line.  I understand that public life brings a certain amount of slings and arrows, comes with the territory.  But they crossed the line.

It's a moral issue I suppose and we all have our own "lines" that cannot be crossed.  I'll defend a stranger or even a person I really, really don't like if they are being brutally attacked by a bully.  Morals don't discriminate.