Why replacing Obamacare is so hard: It’s fundamentally conservative - Craig Garthwaite, Washington Post

[INVAR]

Working people want affordable health insurance. 

They can pay for it themselves instead of mooching off the rest of us.  Make payment arrangements like the rest of us.

Screw your Communism.

ObamaCare represents the creation of an entitlement for which there is no precedent for dismantling. 

There's plenty of precedent for resisting tyranny and refusing to comply with despotism.

[rodamala]

Working people want affordable health insurance.

How about affordable HEALTHCARE?

[Sanguine]

Quote from: Jazzhead on July 14, 2017, 09:30:27 PM

    Working people want affordable health insurance. 

How about affordable HEALTHCARE?

Either way, as long as the government is handling it we will get neither.

[Bigun]

How about affordable HEALTHCARE?


Either way, as long as the government is handling it we will get neither.

I would say that is a 100% certainty!

[Jazzhead]

They can pay for it themselves instead of mooching off the rest of us.

There's that Christian spirit!

[Jazzhead]

How about affordable HEALTHCARE?


Either way, as long as the government is handling it we will get neither.

There is a difference between government running healthcare FINANCING,  and the government regulating it.  The former is single payer, and perhaps something we may want to avoid.    Sensible, market-centric regulation is the best way to avoid it. 

The GOP bill deserves support not because it uproots an entitlement and stomps it to death, as viscerally satisfying as that may be to those who think only others will be affected by it.   It deserves support because it represents a big step in the direction of better, more market-centric regulation of a complex subject that affects all of us.   You think healthcare financing is easy?    What the GOP bills do is allow a change in philosophy toward consumer choice,  and the concomitant increase in consumer responsibility that comes with it.   It's the latter that liberals simply don't trust the people with.   

[IsailedawayfromFR]

There's that Christian spirit!

He read 2 Thessalonians 3:7-9
For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example, because we did not act in an undisciplined manner among you, nor did we eat anyone's bread without paying for it, but with labor and hardship we kept working night and day so that we would not be a burden to any of you; not because we do not have the right to this, but in order to offer ourselves as a model for you, so that you would follow our example.

[Sanguine]

There is a difference between government running healthcare FINANCING,  and the government regulating it.  The former is single payer, and perhaps something we may want to avoid.    Sensible, market-centric regulation is the best way to avoid it. 

The GOP bill deserves support not because it uproots an entitlement and stomps it to death, as viscerally satisfying as that may be to those who think only others will be affected by it.   It deserves support because it represents a big step in the direction of better, more market-centric regulation of a complex subject that affects all of us.   You think healthcare financing is easy?    What the GOP bills do is allow a change in philosophy toward consumer choice,  and the concomitant increase in consumer responsibility that comes with it.   It's the latter that liberals simply don't trust the people with.

Yep. And, that's why I chose the word "handling".  My statement stands as is.

[Jazzhead]

  My statement stands as is.

I wasn't attacking your statement.  I was using it as a springboard for my comment.   

It is common enough to refer to "health care reform" when what's being reformed is the system for financing health care.   Policy choices regarding financing will, of course, ultimately affect the quality of health care.   That's a subject I hear far more discussion about on the left than on the right.   

[Sanguine]

I wasn't attacking your statement.  I was using it as a springboard for my comment.   

It is common enough to refer to "health care reform" when what's being reformed is the system for financing health care.   Policy choices regarding financing will, of course, ultimately affect the quality of health care.   That's a subject I hear far more discussion about on the left than on the right.

And, I was just pointing out that there was no wiggle-room, or room to spring from in my statement.

[INVAR]

There's that Christian spirit!

What is the Eighth Commandment there Jazzy? 

Unless you want to assert Jesus was okay with it as long as you use government to do it on your behalf.

If you are sooooo moved with compassion to provide healthcare insurance for these 'poor' you are so concerned about - YOU can use your own wealth to provide it for them and thus fulfill your obligation to do charity.

Empowering the state to put guns to our heads to provide it, is breaking the 8th Commandment.

[Smokin Joe]

I wasn't attacking your statement.  I was using it as a springboard for my comment.   

It is common enough to refer to "health care reform" when what's being reformed is the system for financing health care.   Policy choices regarding financing will, of course, ultimately affect the quality of health care.   That's a subject I hear far more discussion about on the left than on the right.

You can't reform the financing by decree without reforming the actual care. But I have learned a lot about what antibiotics are good for what and where to get them.