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Welcome To The Third World, Part 24: Illinois About To Default?

June 28, 2017

The train wreck that is the state of Illinois has generated a lot of questions lately, including “Will its government ever pass a budget?”, “Will it ever pay its overdue bills?”, and “Is it possible for a state to go bankrupt?”

Looks like we’re about to get some answers to these questions, along with one more: “What happens to the financial markets when people finally realize that Illinois is far from the only impending bankruptcy?”

Today’s Wall Street Journal has an anecdote-filled article illustrating what certainly looks like a case of terminal financial mismanagement (How Bad Is the Crisis in Illinois? It Has $14.6 Billion in Unpaid Bills):

Among the many, many data points: • The state comptroller predicts unpaid bills will soon top $16 billion. “It is almost hard to say those numbers out loud because they seem so insane, but that’s where we are right now.”

•  Unfunded pension liabilities now total $250 billion. That’s about one-third of state GDP, and is in addition the myriad other debts taken on in recent years.

• S&P Global Ratings has warned that it could lower the state’s rating to junk as early as this week if a budget isn’t passed.

• Peoria-based OSF Healthcare, a network with 10 Illinois hospitals, is owed about $115 million for bills over four months old, the equivalent of 18 days of operating expenses.

• The state owes Illinois dentists $225 million. Some dentists with lots of state workers are selling receivables to keep the lights on. Others are asking state employees to pay in cash.

• The state owes two Springfield hospital systems more than $200 million.

• The Coliseum building at the state fairgrounds closed indefinitely earlier this year after the state failed to fund needed repairs.

• Eastern Illinois University has received $53 million less in state funding in the past five years than the previous five. Professors in the chemistry department haven’t been able to print in color since the department’s printer ran out of yellow ink a year ago. Enrollment has fallen from 12,000 to 7,000 in the past decade.

• If the state doesn’t pass a budget in the current special legislative session or allocate emergency funding, about 700 road projects under way across the state—worth $2.3 billion and employing 20,000 people—will come to a stop.

• Some social-services agencies are operating without state help while others have closed entirely, leaving some rural communities without mental-health clinics, domestic-violence shelters and drug-treatment clinics, despite a raging opioid crisis.

• Illinois has lost more residents than any other American state for the third year in a row, with 90% of the state’s counties seeing a drop in population, shrinking the state’s tax base. In 2016, a net of 37,508 people left, according to census data, putting the population at its lowest in nearly a decade.

The impending downgrade to junk status might be the final push off the cliff, since Illinois – despite a constitution that kind-of-sort-of requires a balanced budget – still borrows a lot of money each year, mainly to fund its out of control pension system. As a junk-rated borrower, its interest costs will be much higher, making its financial imbalances that much worse. Assuming that anyone will lend money to the state on any terms.

Soon the junk line will be crossed, at which point it will become clear to everyone that the problem is unfixable and one or another doomsday scenario is imminent.

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Re: Welcome To The Third World, Part 24: Illinois About To Default?
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2017, 04:10:28 pm »
"From Horrific To Catastrophic": Court Ruling Sends Illinois Into Financial Abyss

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-01/horrific-catastrophic-court-ruling-send-illinois-financial-abyss
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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Re: Welcome To The Third World, Part 24: Illinois About To Default?
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2017, 04:41:23 pm »
Hey Illinois.

Michigan refused to take a federal bailout for Detroit and we're stronger for it.

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Re: Welcome To The Third World, Part 24: Illinois About To Default?
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2017, 12:29:12 pm »
Hey Illinois.

Michigan refused to take a federal bailout for Detroit and we're stronger for it.

A federal bailout is exactly what Madigan and Co want so they can continue on their corrupt merry way  for another few years.

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Re: Welcome To The Third World, Part 24: Illinois About To Default?
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2017, 01:12:31 pm »
A federal bailout is exactly what Madigan and Co want so they can continue on their corrupt merry way  for another few years.

People went ballistic over Michigan bailing out Detroit with good reason but it was the least bad of the options that existed. If the feds had bailed out Detroit it would have been like giving a debit card to a crack addict. The "let it burn" morons simply don't live in the real world which left us with fixing the mess instate.

While MI taxpayers have been on the hook for the bailout its under the strict control of a GOP supermajority state government who have been creating a much more pro business environment. In just a few years all those empty buildings in downtown Detroit have filled up and new skyscrapers are being built.

Our governor Rick Snyder deserves a great deal of credit despite my desire to kick him in the ass occasionally. Socially he's a liberal republican but almost never weighs in on social issues aside from the financial aspects. He personally supports gay marriage but officially opposed it because of the economics of it. He's an extremely shrewd businessman who actually is getting a new bridge over the Detroit river and Canada is actually paying for it. Snyder did ask Obama for $250 million for related highway infrastructure on this side of the river. Obama agreed but wanted Snyder to promise to give $100 million to union pension funds in Detroit. Snyder said "No thank you" and walked away from it.

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« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2017, 01:30:54 pm »
Madigan should follow Christine Radogno example and resign too.

Where else can you fail at your duties for 3 years and still keep your job? 

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Re: Welcome To The Third World, Part 24: Illinois About To Default?
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2017, 09:49:02 pm »
People went ballistic over Michigan bailing out Detroit with good reason but it was the least bad of the options that existed. If the feds had bailed out Detroit it would have been like giving a debit card to a crack addict. The "let it burn" morons simply don't live in the real world which left us with fixing the mess instate.

While MI taxpayers have been on the hook for the bailout its under the strict control of a GOP supermajority state government who have been creating a much more pro business environment. In just a few years all those empty buildings in downtown Detroit have filled up and new skyscrapers are being built.

Our governor Rick Snyder deserves a great deal of credit despite my desire to kick him in the ass occasionally. Socially he's a liberal republican but almost never weighs in on social issues aside from the financial aspects. He personally supports gay marriage but officially opposed it because of the economics of it. He's an extremely shrewd businessman who actually is getting a new bridge over the Detroit river and Canada is actually paying for it. Snyder did ask Obama for $250 million for related highway infrastructure on this side of the river. Obama agreed but wanted Snyder to promise to give $100 million to union pension funds in Detroit. Snyder said "No thank you" and walked away from it.

Good for him. At least he takes the taxpayers into consideration when having to make tough decisions. Hopefully you guys can get rid of Debbie Stabencow soon too.

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Re: Welcome To The Third World, Part 24: Illinois About To Default?
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2017, 09:49:57 pm »
Madigan should follow Christine Radogno example and resign too.

Where else can you fail at your duties for 3 years and still keep your job?

Hell, Madigan has been speaker for 34 years in and in the legislature for 40 years. He'll go out in a pine box.

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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2017, 10:22:16 pm »
Hell, Madigan has been speaker for 34 years in and in the legislature for 40 years. He'll go out in a pine box.

Sumbitch.  He is making the whole state look like a possums pecker.

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Re: Welcome To The Third World, Part 24: Illinois About To Default?
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2017, 01:23:02 am »
Sumbitch.  He is making the whole state look like a possums pecker.

And most of the Republican party here has been helping him do that. Those who don't go along get blindsided. Ask Peter Fitzgerald about that.

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Re: Welcome To The Third World, Part 24: Illinois About To Default?
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2017, 02:06:49 am »
A lot of people don't realize this but back in the 19th century, shortly before the Civil War, about half the states in the union declared bankruptcy.

Nothing new.

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Re: Welcome To The Third World, Part 24: Illinois About To Default?
« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2017, 02:18:01 am »
And most of the Republican party here has been helping him do that. Those who don't go along get blindsided. Ask Peter Fitzgerald about that.

Isn't THAT the unabashed truth?

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Re: Welcome To The Third World, Part 24: Illinois About To Default?
« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2017, 02:30:22 am »
And most of the Republican party here has been helping him do that. Those who don't go along get blindsided. Ask Peter Fitzgerald about that.

I remember FReeper Rosanna Pulido ran for a congressional seat in Illinois. She won her primary to face Rahm Emanuel and the Illinois GOP told people to write in Abe Lincoln rather than vote for Pulido.

Granted she was a long shot but the party was enraged that she beat their chosen candidate.

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Re: Welcome To The Third World, Part 24: Illinois About To Default?
« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2017, 03:25:12 am »
I remember FReeper Rosanna Pulido ran for a congressional seat in Illinois. She won her primary to face Rahm Emanuel and the Illinois GOP told people to write in Abe Lincoln rather than vote for Pulido.

Granted she was a long shot but the party was enraged that she beat their chosen candidate.

The Illinoisy dhimmicraps are plain evil, but I really detest the Illinois Republican party. Jim Edgar, George Ryan, and Judy Topinka ruined the party.

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Re: Welcome To The Third World, Part 24: Illinois About To Default?
« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2017, 01:19:30 pm »
A federal bailout is exactly what Madigan and Co want so they can continue on their corrupt merry way  for another few years.
And that is exactly what we do not wish to do, hand over our money to them.
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« Reply #15 on: July 04, 2017, 07:54:50 pm »
Today 07/04/2017.... Rauner vetoes budget. In response The Illinois Senate voted to override the veto. The IL House is expected to follow suit this afternoon. Happy Independence day Illinois. 

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« Reply #16 on: July 04, 2017, 08:14:36 pm »
Today 07/04/2017.... Rauner vetoes budget. In response The Illinois Senate voted to override the veto. The IL House is expected to follow suit this afternoon. Happy Independence day Illinois.

The exodus should pick up some real speed now.

Nashville and its 'burbs are booming with refugees from Chicagoland.

But I fear that like locusts, the transplants will just vote for more of the same Socialist crap they demanded back up there.
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Re: Welcome To The Third World, Part 24: Illinois About To Default?
« Reply #17 on: July 04, 2017, 08:32:25 pm »
The exodus should pick up some real speed now.

Nashville and its 'burbs are booming with refugees from Chicagoland.

But I fear that like locusts, the transplants will just vote for more of the same Socialist crap they demanded back up there.

Well I am kinda stuck here until I can get my two sons and their families to move with me..I won't leave without them.
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« Reply #18 on: July 04, 2017, 09:53:47 pm »
Well I am kinda stuck here until I can get my two sons and their families to move with me..I won't leave without them.

Cut the cord. Cut the cord.

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« Reply #19 on: July 04, 2017, 09:56:10 pm »
Cut the cord. Cut the cord.

LOL....Won't leave my grandchildren....the adults are another story...hehehe
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« Reply #20 on: July 04, 2017, 10:21:30 pm »
LOL....Won't leave my grandchildren....the adults are another story...hehehe

It's just gonna cost you another $600-$1200.00 in addition to what you paid last year in state income taxes.

Not to mention the hike in property taxes to cover the failed Teacher's Union Pensions that are coming to just about every county in Chicagoland.

When I was up at my sister's in early June - I've never seen so many houses up for sale like I saw in her neighborhood.  Entire industrial parks and business centers are totally abandoned and empty.  A ghost town in almost the literal sense.

It's eerie as all get out.
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Re: Welcome To The Third World, Part 24: Illinois About To Default?
« Reply #21 on: July 04, 2017, 10:21:38 pm »
LOL....Won't leave my grandchildren....the adults are another story...hehehe

Where do you live here in Madiganistan? I live near Joliet in between Minooka and Channahon.

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« Reply #22 on: July 04, 2017, 10:24:33 pm »
LOL....Won't leave my grandchildren....the adults are another story...hehehe

I was planning a trip back home this fall. I wonder if anybody would think I've flipped If I went to IL  via Missouri, Iowa and Wisconsin? ...:shrug:

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« Reply #23 on: July 04, 2017, 10:27:27 pm »
It's just gonna cost you another $600-$1200.00 in addition to what you paid last year in state income taxes.

Not to mention the hike in property taxes to cover the failed Teacher's Union Pensions that are coming to just about every county in Chicagoland.

When I was up at my sister's in early June - I've never seen so many houses up for sale like I saw in her neighborhood.  Entire industrial parks and business centers are totally abandoned and empty.  A ghost town in almost the literal sense.

It's eerie as all get out.

Mike's retirement is mostly military... Il doesn't tax it.

property taxes we have reached the senior citizen discount...lol...may not help next year.
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« Reply #24 on: July 04, 2017, 10:30:22 pm »
Where do you live here in Madiganistan? I live near Joliet in between Minooka and Channahon.

I live right out side that hellhole Decatur....although our county and most surrounding counties are Conservative and red....which most of central and southern Il is.....it's Chicagostan that drags the whole state down
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