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Report: Israel secretly giving aid to Syrian rebels
« on: June 19, 2017, 05:50:17 pm »
Report: Israel secretly giving aid to Syrian rebels
Jerusalem Post, Jun 19, 2017

Israel has been secretly providing aid to Syrian rebels groups in the Golan Heights for years, the Wall Street Journal reported on Sunday night.

According to the Journal, Israel has offered rebel groups medical supplies, food, funding and even hard cash in order to safeguard the country's border from the ever-deepening crisis taking place in Israel's northern neighbor Syria, which is suffering from the consequences of the bloody and grueling civil war raging in the country since 2011.

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The report alleged that the aid was mainly provided via a military unit set up in the IDF and tasked with supporting independent rebel groups that do not receive help from other Western powers. The funds directed to the groups are used to purchase ammunition and to pay fighters.

A spokesman for the rebel group Fursan al-Joulan told the Journal that Israel's help to his group was essential and significant. "We wouldn't have survived without Israel's assistance," Moatasem al-Golani was quoted as saying. "Israel stood by our side in a heroic way," he added.


More:  http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Report-Israel-secretly-giving-aid-to-Syrian-rebels-497239



 

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Re: Report: Israel secretly giving aid to Syrian rebels
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2017, 05:52:12 pm »
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the rebel group Fursan al-Joulan told the Journal that Israel's help to his group was essential and significant

Has anyone heard of this group and/or its affiliation?


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Re: Report: Israel secretly giving aid to Syrian rebels
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2017, 05:55:09 pm »
Another question .... and it's a serious one:  Does anyone know who we are fighting over there?

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Re: Report: Israel secretly giving aid to Syrian rebels
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2017, 05:55:43 pm »
Has anyone heard of this group and/or its affiliation?

Local territorial group, translates to Knights of the Golan. No real affiliations other than it's "their turf" - so basically a glorified gang.
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Re: Report: Israel secretly giving aid to Syrian rebels
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2017, 05:57:18 pm »
Another question .... and it's a serious one:  Does anyone know who we are fighting over there?

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An answer in all seriousness - do you have a week to spare? It's that complicated.
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Re: Report: Israel secretly giving aid to Syrian rebels
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2017, 06:05:12 pm »
An answer in all seriousness - do you have a week to spare? It's that complicated.

Good point.  I guess I'll tighten the question a bit.  Are we supporting members of or affiliations of AQ and/or ISIS in our (presumed) effort to oust Assad?

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Re: Report: Israel secretly giving aid to Syrian rebels
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2017, 06:05:43 pm »
Local territorial group, translates to Knights of the Golan. No real affiliations other than it's "their turf" - so basically a glorified gang.

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Re: Report: Israel secretly giving aid to Syrian rebels
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2017, 06:16:47 pm »
Good point.  I guess I'll tighten the question a bit.  Are we supporting members of or affiliations of AQ and/or ISIS in our (presumed) effort to oust Assad?

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Directly supporting (arms, training, material) - that's a flat no.

Indirectly supporting by not attacking them and permitting them uncontested passage - three AQ affiliates that I'm aware of, no ISIS. There may (probably will be) be more - I only know the conflict landscape in the north east of the country and a small subset of the Syrian/Jordanian border. All three are a result of agreements reached between the AQ affiliates and groups we do directly support. One of the agreements is a marriage of convenience, the other two are more complex, with inter tribal and inter family ties involved.

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Re: Report: Israel secretly giving aid to Syrian rebels
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2017, 10:47:19 pm »
Another question .... and it's a serious one:  Does anyone know who we are fighting over there?

Thanks.

Ever hear of ISIS?

You must not read much on the conflict or read the dispersing of Russian/Iranian/Syrian propaganda by some dunderheads (polite word) elsewhere.

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Good point.  I guess I'll tighten the question a bit.  Are we supporting members of or affiliations of AQ and/or ISIS in our (presumed) effort to oust Assad?


The war is in its 7th year, Russia has been there 2 years, Iran has been in there. Are we suppose to believe they can't defeat ISIS in all that time?

It's no secret, the missiles that terrorists such as Hamas fire into Israel come through Syria from Iran.  Syria has been listed as a state sponsor of terrorism since 1978; they are also still in a state of war with Israel.  Bush almost expanded the war into Syria, because Assad allowed Al Qaeda to operate, have camps and attack the US forces from Syria. This is all a matter of historic fact.  Not speculation. Father Hafez Assad probably helped blow up 250 Marines at the Beirut Barracks Bombing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombings

We have hit ISIS a lot; we don't really hear about the Russians and Syrians doing that much to them.

http://fortune.com/2017/01/20/oil-gas-isis-syria-assad/

Assad per the state department, is ISIS's biggest customer for oil and gasl.

We are not really fighting Assad per se at all, what we did was in self-defense.

Read Our Guys, the SDF, Syrian Democratic Forces, Kurds mainly with some Christians and Arabs too.

There is a lot of disinformation out there. Probably on both sides, dig into the matter.

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Syrian Democratic Forces
   
50,000 - 80,000+ fighters[49][50][51] (as of May 2017)

    36,000 YPG[52]
    24,000 YPJ[52]
    20,000 from mostly ethnic Arab militias[52][53]
    Several thousand from other exclusive & mixed groups

Allies    
The Syrian Democratic Forces (Arabic: قوات سوريا الديمقراطية‎, translit. Quwwāt Sūriyā al-Dīmuqrāṭīya‎, Kurdish: Hêzên Sûriya Demokratîk‎, Syriac: ܚܝ̈ܠܘܬܐ ܕܣܘܪܝܐ ܕܝܡܩܪܛܝܬܐ‎, translit. Ḥaylawotho d'Suriya Demoqraṭoyto), commonly abbreviated as SDF or QSD, are a multi-ethnic and multi-religious alliance of Kurdish, Arab, Assyrian, Armenian, Turkmen and Circassian militias in the Syrian Civil War.[85][86] The SDF is dominated in manpower and militarily led by the People's Protection Units (YPG), a mostly Kurdish militia.[87][88] According to the Pentagon, Kurds made up 40% of the SDF and Arabs 60% in March 2017.[89][90] Founded in October 2015, the SDF states its mission as fighting to create a secular, democratic and federal Syria, along the lines of the Rojava Revolution in northern Syria. The updated December 2016 constitution of the Democratic Federation of Northern Syria names the SDF as its official defence force.[91][92][93]

The primary opponents of the SDF and their allies are the Salafist and Islamic fundamentalist groups involved in the civil war, in particular the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), Turkey-backed Syrian opposition groups, al-Qaeda affiliates and their allies. The SDF has focused primarily on ISIL,[94] successfully driving them from important strategic areas, such as Al-Hawl, Shaddadi, Tishrin Dam, Manbij, al-Tabqah, Tabqa Dam & Baath Dam.[95][96][97][98][99][100][101]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Democratic_Forces

Even to those people saying "Oh, McCain met with Bagdadi, ISIS head, that is hardly proven and Rand Paul said it and the reporting on his saying that was that he said something that was debunked, let alone, those kinds of things are years and years old now.

You like Syrian refugees? Well, Assad is your guy then, he reportedly is the one most people flee.

Assad protects Christians? That's another you hear, research it again. The Assad likely assassinated Christian leaders in Lebanon let alone, the Syrian army invaded a largely Christian nation, at least a country with a lot of Christians. I don't quite understand the Lebanese civil war except it was long and many lost their lives in that one too. 

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Re: Report: Israel secretly giving aid to Syrian rebels
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US Judge Rules Assad Helped Al-Qaeda Kill Americans

A district court judge ruled the Syrian regime — and specifically its ruler, President Bashar al-Assad — are liable for the murders of three Americans by al-Qaeda because of the regime’s massive support for the terrorist group’s branch in Iraq.

In addition to those three Americans, tens of thousands of U.S. soldiers, Iraqis and others have been killed or injured due to Assad’s sponsorship of al-Qaeda and other jihadists.

The lawsuit was filed by the families of Laurence Michael Foley, a U.S. diplomat in Jordan assassinated by al-Qaeda in 2002; Staff Sgt. Keith Matthew Maupin, killed in Iraq in 2004 and Pvt. Kristian Menchacha, who was killed in Iraq in 2006.

https://clarionproject.org/us-judge-rules-assad-helped-al-qaeda-kill-americans/

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Re: Report: Israel secretly giving aid to Syrian rebels
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2017, 12:06:38 am »
Sounds to me like the Israelis are kinda "paying for peace" along their border, even if that means bribing the right party (in this case, the rebels).

It may seem cynical for them to do so, but "what works, works".