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Conservatives should prepare for the approaching danger




Todd Starnes
By Todd Starnes
Published June 18, 2017
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What role did divisive rhetoric play in Scalise shooting?

In recent days we've seen a massive upsurge in leftwing violence. The most devastating was the attempted assassination of Republican congressmen at baseball practice.

Even before the election, liberal activists have been attacking supporters of Donald Trump -- leaving behind a trail of bloodied and beaten men and women. Their only crime -- loving America.

And the hate and vitriol has only gotten worse since President Trump was sworn into office.

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And the hate and vitriol has only gotten worse since President Trump was sworn into office.

Given the vitriol coming from those supposedly on 'our side' towards anyone who voted third party or dares to criticize or point out issues that are seen as negative words Trump, I do not know which 'side' is worse in terms of where danger is going to come from. 
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Conservatives should prepare for the approaching danger




Todd Starnes
By Todd Starnes
Published June 18, 2017
Fox News



What role did divisive rhetoric play in Scalise shooting?

In recent days we've seen a massive upsurge in leftwing violence. The most devastating was the attempted assassination of Republican congressmen at baseball practice.

Even before the election, liberal activists have been attacking supporters of Donald Trump -- leaving behind a trail of bloodied and beaten men and women. Their only crime -- loving America.

And the hate and vitriol has only gotten worse since President Trump was sworn into office.

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http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/06/18/conservatives-should-prepare-for-approaching-danger.html


The hate and vitriol has not gotten worse but been made evident.

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Given the vitriol coming from those supposedly on 'our side' towards anyone who voted third party or dares to criticize or point out issues that are seen as negative words Trump, I do not know which 'side' is worse in terms of where danger is going to come from.
They're all over there, to the Left. One side sees a right and left side, one group sees an 'in' side and an  'out' side.
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They're all over there, to the Left. One side sees a right and left side, one group sees an 'in' side and an  'out' side.


Left-Right is not the political spectrum but an arc of collectivist tyranny. Individual freedom is nowhere to be found in that arc.

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Costa Mesa Calif. Trump Rally 2016. Arrested=100% anti-Trump, 0=pro-Trump. Mexican flags in view.

One or more police cars damaged. Bricks thrown onto car passing on nearby freeway.

Again for clarity 0% Violence by pro-Trump. 0 arrests of pro-Trump. For those that continually see Trump militants, Trump fanatics around every bend, get your vision checked.



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Left-Right is not the political spectrum but an arc of collectivist tyranny. Individual freedom is nowhere to be found in that arc.
Well I agree in a way.

Starting on the Left (in keeping with tradition), We have the Communists, the Socialists (including the misplaced National Socialists), the Democrats (although they drift back all the way to the Communists), The Republicans (GOPe, who just want smaller, more efficient, big government), The Republicans who want a Republic (with limits),  The libertarians (some of whom have become awfully polluted with Socialist ideas), Constitutionalists, and a scattering of others running up to Anarchists (who show a lot of tendencies the Communists have).

In theory, at least, that roughly defines the political expression of a spectrum from Totalitarianism to no government at all. In practice, Constitutionalist principles perhaps best balance the Liberty of the individual with the need for some controlling authority in a society, but fall far short of individual sovereignty. YMMV

There are a lot of different ways of defining what form of government falls where, and we all acknowledge that for any nation to function (any political entity at any level, for that matter) there must be some overweening set of principles which define what is considered an acceptable philosophy and an acceptable level and scope of authority of any government. Those who wrote our Constitution did a pretty fair job of balancing those needs at the time, and with minor tweaking, the same basic structure and philosophy would hold up fine today--IF we would just use that with clear heads, adhere to it in the actions of our government, and have those actions ruled upon by jurists who were not pushing a political agenda or beholden to some contrary philosophy.
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Costa Mesa Calif. Trump Rally 2016. Arrested=100% anti-Trump, 0=pro-Trump. Mexican flags in view.

One or more police cars damaged. Bricks thrown onto car passing on nearby freeway.

Again for clarity 0% Violence by pro-Trump. 0 arrests of pro-Trump. For those that continually see Trump militants, Trump fanatics around every bend, get your vision checked.




There are laws against rioting, breaking other people's stuff, and assault, to name a few. Arrest those who break the laws. Simple as that.
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Well I agree in a way.

Starting on the Left (in keeping with tradition), We have the Communists, the Socialists (including the misplaced National Socialists), the Democrats (although they drift back all the way to the Communists), The Republicans (GOPe, who just want smaller, more efficient, big government), The Republicans who want a Republic (with limits),  The libertarians (some of whom have become awfully polluted with Socialist ideas), Constitutionalists, and a scattering of others running up to Anarchists (who show a lot of tendencies the Communists have).

In theory, at least, that roughly defines the political expression of a spectrum from Totalitarianism to no government at all. In practice, Constitutionalist principles perhaps best balance the Liberty of the individual with the need for some controlling authority in a society, but fall far short of individual sovereignty. YMMV

There are a lot of different ways of defining what form of government falls where, and we all acknowledge that for any nation to function (any political entity at any level, for that matter) there must be some overweening set of principles which define what is considered an acceptable philosophy and an acceptable level and scope of authority of any government. Those who wrote our Constitution did a pretty fair job of balancing those needs at the time, and with minor tweaking, the same basic structure and philosophy would hold up fine today--IF we would just use that with clear heads, adhere to it in the actions of our government, and have those actions ruled upon by jurists who were not pushing a political agenda or beholden to some contrary philosophy.


Most anarchists are in fact socialist, as foolish as that may be. Anarchocapitalists, IMO, subscribe to a foolish consistency in their opposition to government.

The US Constitution is unique in having the limiting of government as its purpose. And that fits with my notion of libertarianism, not a knee-jerk opposition to government but keeping government limited to its usefulness.

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Most anarchists are in fact socialist, as foolish as that may be. Anarchocapitalists, IMO, subscribe to a foolish consistency in their opposition to government.

The US Constitution is unique in having the limiting of government as its purpose. And that fits with my notion of libertarianism, not a knee-jerk opposition to government but keeping government limited to its usefulness.
The Constitution delegates narrow and defined powers to the Government, then secures the rights and all other power to the individual and sovereign states and the people. The beauty of that is indeed the limits on power, once granted by the People.

Unfortunately (and here we are dealing with labels co-opted by people who just aren't) the whole Libertarian thing got sort of hijacked this last time around.

It will be good when the candidate asked about policy says "I don't see where government should be involved in that at all".

And also agreed, many "Anarchists" just want a totalitarianism they control instead of someone else, or more rarely, no government at all, which they fantasize as being the same thing.
 
Maybe they have watched too many post-apocalypse movies an fancy themselves as the mostest badassedest survivor on the planet (usually so far from the case that it borders on delusion).
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Unfortunately (and here we are dealing with labels co-opted by people who just aren't) the whole Libertarian thing got sort of hijacked this last time around.


I don't know that there was anything to hijack. The LP should have been the pragmatic force in that movement but it never got serious.

I suspect that the majority of people attracted to the libertarian movement were personally conservative, live-and-let-live, small government types who saw that small government conservatives were mostly FOS. I believe that most of those people moved on when sufficiently frustrated with the pie-in-the-sky irrelevance of the libertarian movement.

You see much the same in this forum as ostensibly conservative Republicans frustrate who would like to believe in them.

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I don't know that there was anything to hijack. The LP should have been the pragmatic force in that movement but it never got serious.

I suspect that the majority of people attracted to the libertarian movement were personally conservative, live-and-let-live, small government types who saw that small government conservatives were mostly FOS. I believe that most of those people moved on when sufficiently frustrated with the pie-in-the-sky irrelevance of the libertarian movement.

You see much the same in this forum as ostensibly conservative Republicans frustrate who would like to believe in them.
Actually, and this is somewhat superficial because after I did some digging on the candidate I wasn't interested, it seemed more focused on legalizing pot than anything else, at least that's how what I caught came across. Granted, I had already made up my mind and was done looking very hard and it may be that is biased by where I caught snippets of interviews. Social Conservatives who felt disaffected by the GOP choice  and were looking for a conscience vote rather than abstention were likely turned off by that one issue alone, although many of us are for regulation at the State level.  In CO, they crow about the revenues (about half gets taxed, half still doesn't), but ignore the other complications that have come with legalization (Word of mouth from a friend who left there that property crimes short of GTA were pretty much not being pursued or written up. So the stats show something different than reality because the police reports filed just don't reflect it).  Anyhow, those disparate laws allow for a degree of experimentation on the part of more intrepid jurisdictions, that (hopefully) other states can learn from.

However, that doesn't give the States the Right to defy matters of mutual security, and that means the border/immigration policy should not be thwarted by the States. The Common Defense is a Federal issue, and should be.
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Unfortunately (and here we are dealing with labels co-opted by people who just aren't) the whole Libertarian thing got sort of hijacked this last time around.

I always just assumed that Libertarians were conservatives who smoked pot.
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I always just assumed that Libertarians were conservatives who smoked pot.
That sure seemed to be the crux of things last time, but they aren't quite so conservative about some things.
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Left-Right is not the political spectrum but an arc of collectivist tyranny. Individual freedom is nowhere to be found in that arc.

I really don't want to veer off the topic, but I will give a succinct reply.

My political designation is contained in a short excerpt from Ronald Reagan's 1964 A Time for Choosing speech:

You and I are told we must choose between a left or right, but I suggest there is no such thing as a left or right. There is only an up or down.

I consider myself neither left or right, but on top.

 
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I always just assumed that Libertarians were conservatives who smoked pot.

I have come to understand Libertarians are Liberals, who want lower taxes.
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There are laws against rioting, breaking other people's stuff, and assault, to name a few. Arrest those who break the laws. Simple as that.

You're correct, it is as simple as that.  It gets complicated when cities like Berzerkely do things like tell their cops to stand down and not enforce the law.  That's not the only place that's done that, either.
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According to the Obama administration, there is no such thing as Muslim terrorists, only disadvantaged enemy combatants.  But potential terrorists do exist and they are typically white male, often ex-military according to their definition.

And while the Obama administration is long gone many of those who remain in Washington still cling to these warped definitions.  The "profiling" embedded in these "bitter clingers" make up a good portion of the Deep State that isn't going away any time soon.

When violent radicals attack Trump supporters these Deep State True Believers only shrug their shoulders since those dirty Trump supporters had it coming to them.  They also sympathize with Democratic Congressmen who hang pictures of cops being executed in the halls of Congress since they know in their hearts all cops are racist bastards.  And the suggestion by a New Jersey Democratic operative that people go out and "hunt Republicans" makes perfectly good sense to them.

Make no mistake, we're at war folks.

The headlines keep pouring out each and every day.  You read them and I read them, they are just individual battles in the ongoing war.  In the back of your mind you might be thinking this description of America contains words that are too strong.  Just ask yourself a simple question:  If the other side believes we are at war then are we not at war?

We've seen repeated calls go out for the assassination of president Trump and the Deep State True Believers are mostly mum on the topic.  That is tacit approval in my book - whether or not they come right out and cheer on the idea is beside the point, their silence speaks volumes.  I have no doubt whatsoever these fanatics wouldn't blink an eye at rounding up Trump supporters, tattooing numbers on their arms, and loading them onto trains bound for "re-education camps".  Does the notion seem out of the realm of possibility to you?  You read the headlines too.

The history books are full of examples eerily similar to that playing out right this very minute in America.  Yet we somehow hold tightly to the belief "it could never happen here", only the millions of others that fill the pages of history.  Don't kid yourself - we're at war folks.