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I would fire Mueller today. I like Mueller, and I have no problem with what he is doing. I would fire him anyway, just to stuff it down the Democrats throat.


Impeach me! Bitch! Bring it on you bastards!

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Nope.  I know you won't accept it, so I'll make it short and sweet: what counts as a high crime or misdemeanor is a political decision, not something bound by the existing federal criminal code. 

At one end of the spectrum, we have this claim.  At the other end of the spectrum, we have reality.

Bill Clinton got impeached for obstructing justice and committing perjury in a civil trial.  Those are crimes.

So again, back to your charge of obstruction of justice.  What criminal proceeding was being obstructed?  What crime took place?  What criminal act was being investigated.  Please be specific.


Believe what you want - facts and reality have never stopped most people from doing so - but the fact is that if Trump gets impeached, obstruction of justice based on his extremely unseemly attempt to get Comey to leave Flynn alone will be a count.

What crime did Flynn commit, and where was the investigation of that crime?  Because without it, there is no obstruction.

Also, if we are to follow this same line of logic [sic], then shouldn't Bush have been impeached for ordering a halt to the investigation of the trashing of the White House executive offices by departing Clinton staff?

Seriously, if you have some beef with Trump, then call him out on what he actually did instead of repeating baseless Dem talking points.  I don't even like Trump.  But damn sure will not throw him under the bus based upon a lie.  He is the President.  He can hire and fire whoever he damn well pleases.  And the FBI director works for him at his discretion.

The last time a President was impeached for firing someone, it did not turn out well.  The Supreme Court came in and ruled that it was absolutely within the Executive powers of the President to do what he did.  So yes, the President can fire whoever he damn well pleases.  The Supreme Court said so.  And so does the Constitution of the United States.  So to hell with the Dem talking points.
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Totally up the combined mental age of a large portion of the posting group brings the total to 2.375.

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I know, it gets old...
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This is why threads get locked..the insults just won't stop and nobody wants to be the first to simply walk away.
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This must be the most absurd scandal I have seen in 50 years of following politics. The POTUS is being investigated by a special prosecutor for obstructing justice in a case where no crime would have been committed even if he had done what is alleged, and there is no evidence he did squat.  In fact, the whole thing was initiated based on a completely bogus document likely produced by the Clinton dirty tricks division. 

In short, this is an establishment attempt to rein in Trump and keep him from doing what he was elected to do, dismantle the managerial state and put the people back in charge of their own lives.

Trump can't fire Rosenstein and Mueller fast enough, IMHO.  The media will squeal and yelp, but Trump's popularity will increase and congress will have to do its own investigation if it is at all interested in this goofy charade.

This president, any president, is entitled an opportunity to govern.  So far, Trump has been denied that opportunity by those with vested interests that are 180 degrees from those of the American taxpayer. 

Trump's last chance is at hand. I say he should use the constitutional authority the people gave him, and drain both Rosenstein and Mueller from the swamp.

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I am torn on this.  On one hand, firing Mueller and Rosenstein would seem to be the common sense thing to do, considering their obvious anti-Trump bias.  However.... it is probably too late to do so now.... and firing Mueller & Rosenstein is exactly what the radical left and RINO Trump haters want him to do. 

So I would have to say...hell no.   Let them muck about, wasting taxpayer money trying to find something, anything, with which to hang Trump on.... and let Trump point that out to voting taxpayers...


every.. single.. day.   

Trump should rub their noses in it.... re: how the Dems (America's enemy within) are wasting time, money and energy trying to destroy a duly elected president..... even while America's enemies without are busily making plans to destroy us.

@XenaLee   I want him to fire them, but I sure see your point !!
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How many people have been found guilty of "hoping". Trump as the chief law enforcer in the country could have legally stopped the Flynn investigation any time he wanted. Comey is a liar and a Clinton crony as is Mueller.

He can hope all he wants to but why mention his hopes to Comey who was in charge of the investigation if not to communicate to Comey that you want him to drop the investigation?

He didn't mention his "hopes" in passing to his wife or some casual friends. He mentioned it to the head of the FBI who was doing the investigation. I think his intentions are pretty clear. Unless Comey and Trump were besties who often shared their hopes and dreams with each other. But they were not. This was the head of the FBI and the POTUS.

While I am not sure that they would be able to successfully remove the POTUS via impeachment and prove collusion I do believe there is certainly enough evidence to proceed with an Article 25 removal. JMO.

This is not something that I wanted for our country but it could have been prevented. There were plenty of warning signs.

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I am torn on this.  On one hand, firing Mueller and Rosenstein would seem to be the common sense thing to do, considering their obvious anti-Trump bias.  However.... it is probably too late to do so now.... and firing Mueller & Rosenstein is exactly what the radical left and RINO Trump haters want him to do. 

Here is the best solution.  Continue to let Mueller do his thing, except severely curtail his budget.  Cap it at $1 million.  Once the money is gone, he's done.  And when he complains, put it back on him.  "Hey, you were in charge of the taxpayers' money.  What happened?"

Lawrence Walsh spent $71 million of the taxpayers' money on Iran-Contra, and did not have a single conviction upheld.  Not a single one.  So yes, the President does have control here.  He simply limits the money spent.  See how many of these Mueller hacks jump ship once they find out they won't be getting paid.  Besides, it is illegal to work for the government for free which we learned during Clinton's early years.
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Oh, goodie .... another "Saturday with Oceander".

Not this time.

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I'm tempted also but I've resolved only to block people ... and right now, there is just one ... who have engaged in personal insults containing bad language.
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I know, it gets old...

Bless your heart!  And you have to read it all in case someone really needs to be bitch-slapped.
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Here is the best solution.  Continue to let Mueller do his thing, except severely curtail his budget.  Cap it at $1 million.  Once the money is gone, he's done.  And when he complains, put it back on him.  "Hey, you were in charge of the taxpayers' money.  What happened?"

Lawrence Walsh spent $71 million of the taxpayers' money on Iran-Contra, and did not have a single conviction upheld.  Not a single one.  So yes, the President does have control here.  He simply limits the money spent.  See how many of these Mueller hacks jump ship once they find out they won't be getting paid.  Besides, it is illegal to work for the government for free which we learned during Clinton's early years.

Good idea. These people spend way too much time whittling the straws they grasp at.
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I'm tempted also but I've resolved only to block people ... and right now, there is just one ... who have engaged in personal insults containing bad language.

I don't have anyone on "ignore" @Emjay .....  I find I'm able to ignore just by moving on down the list  ^-^

When that becomes tiresome, I just log off.

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At one end of the spectrum, we have this claim.  At the other end of the spectrum, we have reality.

Bill Clinton got impeached for obstructing justice and committing perjury in a civil trial.  Those are crimes.

So again, back to your charge of obstruction of justice.  What criminal proceeding was being obstructed?  What crime took place?  What criminal act was being investigated.  Please be specific.


What crime did Flynn commit, and where was the investigation of that crime?  Because without it, there is no obstruction.

Also, if we are to follow this same line of logic [sic], then shouldn't Bush have been impeached for ordering a halt to the investigation of the trashing of the White House executive offices by departing Clinton staff?

Seriously, if you have some beef with Trump, then call him out on what he actually did instead of repeating baseless Dem talking points.  I don't even like Trump.  But damn sure will not throw him under the bus based upon a lie.  He is the President.  He can hire and fire whoever he damn well pleases.  And the FBI director works for him at his discretion.

The last time a President was impeached for firing someone, it did not turn out well.  The Supreme Court came in and ruled that it was absolutely within the Executive powers of the President to do what he did.  So yes, the President can fire whoever he damn well pleases.  The Supreme Court said so.  And so does the Constitution of the United States.  So to hell with the Dem talking points.


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Here is the best solution.  Continue to let Mueller do his thing, except severely curtail his budget.  Cap it at $1 million.  Once the money is gone, he's done.  And when he complains, put it back on him.  "Hey, you were in charge of the taxpayers' money.  What happened?"

Lawrence Walsh spent $71 million of the taxpayers' money on Iran-Contra, and did not have a single conviction upheld.  Not a single one.  So yes, the President does have control here.  He simply limits the money spent.  See how many of these Mueller hacks jump ship once they find out they won't be getting paid.  Besides, it is illegal to work for the government for free which we learned during Clinton's early years.

Excellent idea.  It never occurred to me that Trump could cut their budget.   As Picard would say.... make it so!   ^-^
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And the kicker is..... the Dems have absolutely no proof at all of any crime having been committed by Trump.

Exactly.  How can one obstruct justice for a crime that was never committed in the first place?
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Oh, goodie .... another "Saturday with Oceander".

Not this time.

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Sometimes ... it's better to just let some people sink their own ship.  Have a good one RIV.
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Exactly.  How can one obstruct justice for a crime that was never committed in the first place?

One can't.   But per usual, the Dems are counting on the sublime ignorance of most of their voting public (their constituents) to not know that and ergo, to support their calling for further investigation towards impeachment proceedings.

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While I am not sure that they would be able to successfully remove the POTUS via impeachment and prove collusion I do believe there is certainly enough evidence to proceed with an Article 25 removal. JMO.

Should a President object to The 25th Amendment, Section 4. removal, you realize that it takes 2/3 vote by BOTH legislative chambers, which is a steeper hill to climb then mere impeachment?

It is highly unlikely this will occur. Reaching that conclusion, takes both knowledge and good judgment; qualities in scarce supply these days.
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I haven't read through the entire thread, so maybe I'm repeating someone else, but after reading this headline the first question that springs to mind is - why is a dem quoted? don't the republicans run congress?

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I haven't read through the entire thread, so maybe I'm repeating someone else, but after reading this headline the first question that springs to mind is - why is a dem quoted? don't the republicans run congress?

The Dems are betting they'll win Congress in '18, in which case the hearing for Impeachment will start around Jan 5, 2019 (8:00 AM).  They'll fabricate a "high crime or Misdemeanor" from whole cloth if they have to.  As a practical matter, @Oceander is correct to point out there doesn't have to be a crime committed, as you and I understand the word "crime."
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The Dems are betting they'll win Congress in '18, in which case the hearing for Impeachment will start around Jan 5, 2019 (8:00 AM).  They'll fabricate a "high crime or Misdemeanor" from whole cloth if they have to.  As a practical matter, @Oceander is correct to point out there doesn't have to be a crime committed, as you and I understand the word "crime."

Exactly.