Can a divided America survive? (Victor Davis Hanson)

[Free Vulcan]

VERY well said sir!  I fully concur!  Been there, done that,  got the damned tee shirt!

Thank you sir. You know as well as I, when you get neck deep in it, you see how the Left works. Not saying there aren't some alt-right nutters out there, but the Left is far far more organized, and it flows right down from the top to the protest down the street, all bankrolled, managed, and coordinated astroturf.

Most don't see this because it doesn't splash in the headlines, but those who have gotten beyond the surface do. Little of what you do see from them is random, and they are working their scorched earth agenda with full intentions of escalating.

[INVAR]

What will it look like?  Venezuela is probably a good example:

That is a good bet given it's modern occurrence.

Frighteningly, Venezuela didn't have hundreds of Trillions of dollars in debt and unfunded liabilities to sustain it's welfare state culture.

One can only wonder in cold sweats what that is going to look like here once confidence pops in an unsustainable economy based on debt and fiat currency.

[Sanguine]

That is a good bet given it's modern occurrence.

Frighteningly, Venezuela didn't have hundreds of Trillions of dollars in debt and unfunded liabilities to sustain it's welfare state culture.

One can only wonder in cold sweats what that is going to look like here once confidence pops in an unsustainable economy based on debt and fiat currency.

Yep.

[Bigun]

Thank you sir. You know as well as I, when you get neck deep in it, you see how the Left works. Not saying there aren't some alt-right nutters out there, but the Left is far far more organized, and it flows right down from the top to the protest down the street, all bankrolled, managed, and coordinated astroturf.

Most don't see this because it doesn't splash in the headlines, but those who have gotten beyond the surface do. Little of what you do see from them is random, and they are working their scorched earth agenda with full intentions of escalating.

Indeed! And that is because they have no other choice at this point! They have lost everywhere and cannot now depend on the courts to save them. What is coming will NOT be pretty but it MUST come and be dealt with if we are to survive.

[INVAR]

Thank you sir. You know as well as I, when you get neck deep in it, you see how the Left works. Not saying there aren't some alt-right nutters out there, but the Left is far far more organized, and it flows right down from the top to the protest down the street, all bankrolled, managed, and coordinated astroturf.

Most don't see this because it doesn't splash in the headlines, but those who have gotten beyond the surface do. Little of what you do see from them is random, and they are working their scorched earth agenda with full intentions of escalating.

As a former GOP precinct captain in Cook County, IL - some 20-plus years ago, you have no idea how prescient your comments are given what I saw firsthand all those years ago.

It is a form of extortion being organized to the point where we will be demanded to capitulate and surrender to their total rule or they will incite their pawns to burn it all down and take out all potential 'enemies' of their progressive putsch.

For them, this is war - and a significant portion of the population is on their side.

[Free Vulcan]

As a former GOP precinct captain in Cook County, IL - some 20-plus years ago, you have no idea how prescient your comments are given what I saw firsthand all those years ago.

It is a form of extortion being organized to the point where we will be demanded to capitulate and surrender to their total rule or they will incite their pawns to burn it all down and take out all potential 'enemies' of their progressive putsch.

For them, this is war - and a significant portion of the population is on their side.

 

[Old Warrior in Exile]

I pray that I am wrong, but in my own opinion, I suspect that yesterday the first shots of CWII were fired.

It appears that all hell is about to break loose and the S is about to HTF (feel free to add your own doomsday metaphor here).

The Left will see to it that we have no choice but to fight back. The coup with the usurper failed to destroy our Republic.

 Hillary Clinton failed to get elected. If you think about it, it's really the only move they have, now.

[INVAR]

I pray that I am wrong, but in my own opinion, I suspect that yesterday the first shots of CWII were fired.

It appears that all hell is about to break loose and the S is about to HTF (feel free to add your own doomsday metaphor here).

The Left will see to it that we have no choice but to fight back. The coup with the usurper failed to destroy our Republic.

 Hillary Clinton failed to get elected. If you think about it, it's really the only move they have, now.

The Left understands what we refuse to acknowledge or recognize (because that kind of thing just cannot happen here!): sowing violence and mayhem breeds more chaos as shelves go bare and the economy reels and they think that the rest of the country will sue for peace on THEIR terms just to have shelves filled and sustenance provided.

They understand that this is the formula for iron-fisted Socialist governments to come into fullness and they know that the vast majority do not care about individual liberty or freedom beyond sex and booze and having what they want on tap.  Establishing a government that promises them everything and gives them nothing is what itching ears of the vast majority will eagerly support.

[Old Warrior in Exile]

[IsailedawayfromFR]

What are we supposed to stand on as a people?   God?  He's been rejected and banned.   Liberty?   People do not want that risk.  They want 'security' and a hand-out and those well-off  think

Speak for yourself instead of thinking you speak for us all.

He is definitely not rejected in my house in any way shape or form.

[Hondo69]

When did the Civil War start?

When did the 2nd Civil War start?

You'll get different answers to each question depending upon the historian, but the main point here is that many would say the 2nd Civil War has already started and I would agree.

[skeeter]

When did the Civil War start?

When did the 2nd Civil War start?

You'll get different answers to each question depending upon the historian, but the main point here is that many would say the 2nd Civil War has already started and I would agree.

After having read a little about the Revolutionary War in the south I'd say we've had two already. Next'll be no. 3.

[bigheadfred]

Sooooo...the majority of the left is concentrated in certain places. Relax people. We have them surrounded.

[Smokin Joe]

Thank you sir. You know as well as I, when you get neck deep in it, you see how the Left works. Not saying there aren't some alt-right nutters out there, but the Left is far far more organized, and it flows right down from the top to the protest down the street, all bankrolled, managed, and coordinated astroturf.

Most don't see this because it doesn't splash in the headlines, but those who have gotten beyond the surface do. Little of what you do see from them is random, and they are working their scorched earth agenda with full intentions of escalating.

You are right about the left being organized, 'community organized', and quite well funded (and likely armed far better than most give it credit for, especially at the gang level). Little ACORNS have been growing, and the country has been looted to pick up the tab.

Now, if the people on the Right would stop attacking each other, we might have a chance against our real enemies.

I'm still remembering how Al-Qaida was going to split this county in half....

[Smokin Joe]

I pray that I am wrong, but in my own opinion, I suspect that yesterday the first shots of CWII were fired.

It appears that all hell is about to break loose and the S is about to HTF (feel free to add your own doomsday metaphor here).

The Left will see to it that we have no choice but to fight back. The coup with the usurper failed to destroy our Republic.

 Hillary Clinton failed to get elected. If you think about it, it's really the only move they have, now.

Well, they tried looting, cheating, stealing, rigging the election, and damnit, none of it worked. Full Media control isn't enough. Obamaphone flash mobs on social media didn't get the job done. Stacking the courts with liberal judges didn't get it.

Yep, they are running out of options. It's time to sh*t or quit. They aren't quitters, no matter what people think of the snowflakes and pajama boys who are just a smokescreen.

[DB]

Those significant populations are in the cities. Where food, power and water are not produced. And they don't know how to produce it. Just trying to keep a lid on hungry inner city types will consume most of their resources.

But is best BY FAR to not go there.

[DB]

Well, they tried looting, cheating, stealing, rigging the election, and damnit, none of it worked. Full Media control isn't enough. Obamaphone flash mobs on social media didn't get the job done. Stacking the courts with liberal judges didn't get it.

Yep, they are running out of options. It's time to sh*t or quit. They aren't quitters, no matter what people think of the snowflakes and pajama boys who are just a smokescreen.

What would do it is getting a ruling form a stacked SC that outlawed gun ownership which they so desire. That would be a bridge too far. That would set off the fuse.

[Smokin Joe]

What would do it is getting a ruling form a stacked SC that outlawed gun ownership which they so desire. That would be a bridge too far. That would set off the fuse.

When they come for the guns, it isn't time to bury them. It's time to carry them.

They know that, though, and they'd have to be all-in for them to try that.

[Free Vulcan]

Those significant populations are in the cities. Where food, power and water are not produced. And they don't know how to produce it. Just trying to keep a lid on hungry inner city types will consume most of their resources.

But is best BY FAR to not go there.

I don't DB. Not any more. I last left a metro area for a very rural area nearly 20 years ago. Boring as hell sometimes, but I'll give up the city amenties for being far away from the powderkeg when it finally goes off.