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Re: Here are the 66 programs eliminated in Trump's budget
« Reply #25 on: May 24, 2017, 04:18:47 pm »
Trump is FAR from "my hero"! Would you be kind enough to show me the last time any president proposed getting rid of anywhere near this amount of government BS?

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Re: Here are the 66 programs eliminated in Trump's budget
« Reply #26 on: May 24, 2017, 04:23:47 pm »
Nice list. Only two I'm disliking - the NASA education office (which costs pennies and is very effective) and the flood mapping. Mapping threats is a legitimate task of government. Keep the mapping and risk assessment program and get the goverment out of the flood insurance biz instead.

The rest are pure pork.
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Re: Here are the 66 programs eliminated in Trump's budget
« Reply #27 on: May 24, 2017, 04:26:56 pm »
Some people cannot see the forest for the trees it seems!


  With all due respect @Bigun Some people refuse to believe Unicorns fart skittles also.
  Presidential Budgets are merely 'suggestions' that are rarely adhered to by the a$$holes in Congress and if I may add, if the results of the last Budget process, is any indication it'll look like nothing that was promised.



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 Budgets are often dead on arrival, but this one is something new. 

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‎May‎ ‎23‎, ‎2017‎ ‎4‎:‎32‎ ‎PM


President Donald Trump’s first budget is truly remarkable in its unseriousness. To see why, try for a moment to take it seriously.

The plan purports to be fiscally responsible, saying that the national debt will fall from 77 percent now to 60 percent in 2027. A worthy goal, to be sure. At the same time, it calls for tax cuts but no changes in spending on the two main entitlement programs, Medicare and (non-disability) Social Security. To square these ambitious pledges, the budget then needs either a close-to-impossible acceleration in economic growth, or an implausibly severe squeeze on most other kinds of spending.

With characteristically Trumpian disdain for reality, the budget proposes both.

The Trump administration has until now said its planned tax cuts would pay for themselves by pushing economic growth to 3 percent a year -- a claim already seen as outlandish by every serious analyst, liberal and conservative alike. The budget appears to go one better: It says this boost in growth will be sufficient not just to maintain revenue (despite the cut in rates) but will actually raise revenue by $2 trillion over 10 years compared with current policy. Perhaps somebody just made a dumb mistake, counting the revenue from faster growth twice over. With this administration, it’s wise not to rule it out.

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Re: Here are the 66 programs eliminated in Trump's budget
« Reply #28 on: May 24, 2017, 04:29:44 pm »
  With all due respect @Bigun Some people refuse to believe Unicorns fart skittles also.
  Presidential Budgets are merely 'suggestions' that are rarely adhered to by the a$$holes in Congress and if I may add, if the results of the last Budget process, is any indication it'll look like nothing that was promised.


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And what the pukes in congress do is totally independent of what the President has suggested! The fact that he has the guts to even suggest this is HIGHLY significant!
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Re: Here are the 66 programs eliminated in Trump's budget
« Reply #29 on: May 24, 2017, 04:29:59 pm »
Exactly.

As impressive as the cuts seem to be, $26.7 billion is still just a drop in the budget bucket, unfortunately.

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Re: Here are the 66 programs eliminated in Trump's budget
« Reply #30 on: May 24, 2017, 04:34:41 pm »
As impressive as the cuts seem to be, $26.7 billion is still just a drop in the budget bucket, unfortunately.

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Except for the fact that those cuts add up over time! $300 Billion over 10 years if you include AUTOMATIC increases built into the current budgeting process!
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Re: Here are the 66 programs eliminated in Trump's budget
« Reply #31 on: May 24, 2017, 04:36:48 pm »
As impressive as the cuts seem to be, $26.7 billion is still just a drop in the budget bucket, unfortunately.

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How do you walk around the world? You start.

Any start - as in actual permanent cuts, not a smaller than expected increases - is good. Doesn't matter if it saves a billion or 97 cents.



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Re: Here are the 66 programs eliminated in Trump's budget
« Reply #32 on: May 24, 2017, 04:58:01 pm »
How do they eliminate the risk analysis while keeping the National Flood Insurance Program?
Just cover "pre-existing conditions".

I'm all for cutting the size and expense of Government, and laud any attempt to do so (with the possible exception of core, Constitutionally mandated functions). Why, that's a Conservative principle (The government which governs best, governs least.)

The question is how much of this will come out of the Congressional inverter as actual cuts, and not 'Democrat math". (Where the budget is to be increased 100%, that's cut to a 50% increase, and sold as a 50% cut.)

When it's all done, how many 5th generation fighters, ships, and submarines will that build?
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Re: Here are the 66 programs eliminated in Trump's budget
« Reply #33 on: May 24, 2017, 05:00:37 pm »
As impressive as the cuts seem to be, $26.7 billion is still just a drop in the budget bucket, unfortunately.

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It's a small start.  I'll take it.  It's still better than nothing, which is what we get with the Democrats.
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Re: Here are the 66 programs eliminated in Trump's budget
« Reply #34 on: May 24, 2017, 05:08:58 pm »
It's a small start.  I'll take it.  It's still better than nothing, which is what we get with the Democrats.
Not only would we not see any proposed cuts with Hillary as president but I'm sure there would be proposed increases, which would mean us paying more taxes.

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Re: Here are the 66 programs eliminated in Trump's budget
« Reply #36 on: May 24, 2017, 05:16:15 pm »
Not only would we not see any proposed cuts with Hillary as president but I'm sure there would be proposed increases, which would mean us paying more taxes.

Oh hell yeah.
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Re: Here are the 66 programs eliminated in Trump's budget
« Reply #37 on: May 24, 2017, 05:27:16 pm »
How do you walk around the world? You start.

Any start - as in actual permanent cuts, not a smaller than expected increases - is good. Doesn't matter if it saves a billion or 97 cents.

Your metaphor actually underscores my complaint about our crazy economy.  I am not sure we have time to "make America great again."  Even if our GDP goes up a lot, a European banking crisis could domino over to us in a crushing way.  (I believe this scenario was the key to Greenspan's warning last fall.  Our dangerous debt problem is not going away any time soon.  We are sitting on a bubble of economic unreality.)

I am not blaming Trump in any of this.  I am just not sure our problem is fixable.

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Re: Here are the 66 programs eliminated in Trump's budget
« Reply #38 on: May 24, 2017, 05:30:12 pm »
Your metaphor actually underscores my complaint about our crazy economy.  I am not sure we have time to "make America great again."  Even if our GDP goes up a lot, a European banking crisis could domino over to us in a crushing way.  (I believe this scenario was the key to Greenspan's warning last fall.  Our dangerous debt problem is not going away any time soon.  We are sitting on a bubble of economic unreality.)

I am not blaming Trump in any of this.  I am just not sure our problem is fixable.

It most surely isn't if we don't try!
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Re: Here are the 66 programs eliminated in Trump's budget
« Reply #39 on: May 24, 2017, 05:45:26 pm »
Flood Hazard Mapping and Risk Analysis Program?

Hmmm...  There could be long-term costs to this, as development is increasing flood areas and if they aren't reassessed, the government will be undercharging for flood insurance relative to the risk (well, even more than they currently do).

That's not exactly correct.  Here in Florida at least, if a development encroaches into a flood area then an equal volume of flood area must be added somewhere else that is directly connected to the flood area that is destroyed.  Typically that means that a treatment pond will be made with additional volume, but sometimes one flod area is filled in, say on the south side, but more flood area is added on say the west side.

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Re: Here are the 66 programs eliminated in Trump's budget
« Reply #40 on: May 24, 2017, 05:51:59 pm »
Your metaphor actually underscores my complaint about our crazy economy.  I am not sure we have time to "make America great again."  Even if our GDP goes up a lot, a European banking crisis could domino over to us in a crushing way.  (I believe this scenario was the key to Greenspan's warning last fall.  Our dangerous debt problem is not going away any time soon.  We are sitting on a bubble of economic unreality.)

I am not blaming Trump in any of this.  I am just not sure our problem is fixable.

I am by no means an economic expert (far from it).... but is it possible that even 'this' small/first attempt to reduce the debt may actually help to spur and jump-start our economy out of the stagnant state it has been in for the past eight plus years?   I would think so.
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Re: Here are the 66 programs eliminated in Trump's budget
« Reply #41 on: May 24, 2017, 05:52:45 pm »
I'm glad to see the cuts; especially the State Criminal ALIEN Assistance Program!!!

Me too.  Cuts in the billions were in HHS, State Dept stuff.

I was pleased to see funds cut for NEA (never should have been publically funded) and Public Television (You're on your own, Big Bird).

A few things that should have been cut are missing... especially Planned Parenthood but it's a good start.
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Re: Here are the 66 programs eliminated in Trump's budget
« Reply #42 on: May 24, 2017, 05:53:29 pm »
It most surely isn't if we don't try!

I agree!

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Re: Here are the 66 programs eliminated in Trump's budget
« Reply #43 on: May 24, 2017, 05:54:31 pm »
It wouldn't hurt the credibility of the usual suspects on this forum to lend a positive word to this news, which (I assume) should be welcome by all of us.

I think it would be physically painful for the usual suspects to praise anything, anytime, anywhere.
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Re: Here are the 66 programs eliminated in Trump's budget
« Reply #44 on: May 24, 2017, 05:56:20 pm »
Look, Trump Fans,  I will admit this proposal is a good start.  Forgive me for not prostrating myself in awe of your hero.  But you must understand there will be considerable pushback from the usual suspects in congress.  They are not about to let go of the entitlements they use to secure votes in their districts.  If half the cuts make it through, it will be a miracle.  Of course, I will rejoice if at least some of the cuts make it.   But we have to be realistic.  It's going to be a tough battle for whatever reductions we get.

I'm all for realism and I'm sure you're right.  But how about a moment of silence in appreciation for some needed cuts.
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Re: Here are the 66 programs eliminated in Trump's budget
« Reply #45 on: May 24, 2017, 05:57:57 pm »
   Sometimes you Trumpsters remind me of another NY Liberal



Corbe, my good man.  Appreciating some needed budget cuts does not make us Trumpsters.

Please try to remember that.
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Re: Here are the 66 programs eliminated in Trump's budget
« Reply #46 on: May 24, 2017, 06:01:34 pm »
I am by no means an economic expert (far from it).... but is it possible that even 'this' small/first attempt to reduce the debt may actually help to spur and jump-start our economy out of the stagnant state it has been in for the past eight plus years?   I would think so.

I believe you are correct (if nothing else, as a matter of the perceptions influencing economics).  But time is running pretty short for us in a world system that seems to be trying to destroy all of us, so to speak.

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Re: Here are the 66 programs eliminated in Trump's budget
« Reply #47 on: May 24, 2017, 06:05:04 pm »




"Taxpayer First"---is it any wonder Chuckie's breathing into a paper bag?

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Re: Here are the 66 programs eliminated in Trump's budget
« Reply #48 on: May 24, 2017, 06:09:40 pm »
"Corporation for Public Broadcasting"

Congress will knock out many if not most of these cuts.

Correctamundo.  That you can bet the farm they will.
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Re: Here are the 66 programs eliminated in Trump's budget
« Reply #49 on: May 24, 2017, 06:12:23 pm »
Me too.  Cuts in the billions were in HHS, State Dept stuff.

I was pleased to see funds cut for NEA (never should have been publically funded) and Public Television (You're on your own, Big Bird).

A few things that should have been cut are missing... especially Planned Parenthood but it's a good start.

Even though small, I like the message this cut sends: 
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