Trump base shows signs of cracking

[Emjay]

Oh, I'm not shocked at all of the intense (anal retentive) scrutiny they're giving Trump.  And as far as the media goes with the Clintons, I seem to remember a gag-worthy moment or two where the media covered the Clintons in fawning, slobbering adoration.   The episode concerned a dance on the beach.... and also there were, miraculously, enough rocks that appeared (on a previously rock-less beach) for Bill to construct a presidential message of peace... or some such baloney. 

Double-standard all the way.  One that pisses me off to this day.

Totally agree.  And I am hoping that no one is tempted by your remarks to post a picture of that dance on the beach.  Aghhha.

[Emjay]

It's weird.  Of all the men in my life, there's been only one (since one was a boy in high school, doesn't count...lol) that insisted on holding hands.   And he was a liberal.  One that made the mistake of dissing Reagan.  It lasted barely a year....heh.

That was a serious mistake but you're lucky he made it.  Think of what you would have been stuck with.

I met my husband when I was 12 and he was 16.  It was a long time ... when we were in college before I met him again but then it was forever.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

God is not a big fan of the unrepentant, contrary to what lukewarm churchianity teaches.

there you go again on some wild agenda-driven rant.

there is a HUGE difference between a sinner, which I referenced, and one who is unrepentant, which you for some unexplainable reason decided to pontificate on.

We are ALL sinners, and Contrary to what you and @roamer_1 say, he loves us anyway.

He gives all of us the opportunity to repent of those sins and embrace him.

[roamer_1]

We are ALL sinners, and Contrary to what you and @roamer_1 say, he loves us anyway.

He gives all of us the opportunity to repent of those sins and embrace him.

@IsailedawayfromFR

I never said he didn't love you, or anyone. That is way above my paygrade. I said a people who do not follow his law are going to find out the hard way. And that is painful. Not but a generation ago, this people lived in fear of becoming Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God.

Not anymore.


@INVAR

[INVAR]

@IsailedawayfromFR

I never said he didn't love you, or anyone. That is way above my paygrade. I said a people who do not follow his law are going to find out the hard way. And that is painful. Not but a generation ago, this people lived in fear of becoming Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God.

Not anymore.


@INVAR

I didn't bother replying to him.  No point.

[dfwgator]

Ok, so where is this great alternative to Trump?

[IsailedawayfromFR]

@IsailedawayfromFR

I never said he didn't love you, or anyone. That is way above my paygrade. I said a people who do not follow his law are going to find out the hard way. And that is painful. Not but a generation ago, this people lived in fear of becoming Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God.

Not anymore.


@INVAR

so why bother posting #149?  You seem to have contradicted my point that God hates sin but loves the sinner, and sought to direct me otherwise in scripture as it was some type of false teaching.

Now you are making some other point.

@roamer_1

[roamer_1]

so why bother posting #149?  You seem to have contradicted my point that God hates sin but loves the sinner, and sought to direct me otherwise in scripture as it was some type of false teaching.

Now you are making some other point.

@IsailedawayfromFR

No, it is the very same point. The 'Hate the sin, love the sinner' meme, while true, is used anymore to engender tolerance rather than truth.

Hence the spirit of Jezebel within the churches, and our children being sacrificed to Molech. Hence a nation that no longer even knows what bathroom to use.

The prophets come, heralding truth to a stiff-necked people, but they seldom listen... Too wrapped up in their sophistry to understand that they are tolerating evil, and that the land is about to spit them out.

If you don't think we have a trip to the woodshed in our near future, you've got another think coming.

Pro 9:10 The fear of the YHWH is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

Before your reply, ponder that verse. In the midst of the confusion brought about by the tolerance of sin, I find it brings clarity.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

@IsailedawayfromFR

No, it is the very same point. The 'Hate the sin, love the sinner' meme, while true, is used anymore to engender tolerance rather than truth.

Hence the spirit of Jezebel within the churches, and our children being sacrificed to Molech. Hence a nation that no longer even knows what bathroom to use.

The prophets come, heralding truth to a stiff-necked people, but they seldom listen... Too wrapped up in their sophistry to understand that they are tolerating evil, and that the land is about to spit them out.

If you don't think we have a trip to the woodshed in our near future, you've got another think coming.

Pro 9:10 The fear of the YHWH is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

Before your reply, ponder that verse. In the midst of the confusion brought about by the tolerance of sin, I find it brings clarity.

ok, thx for clarification.

If you go back to my earlier post, I was responding to a poster who declared I hate him. I posted that God taught us to, like him, hate the sin but love the sinner, so I have no hate for him no matter what he does or chooses to believe.

Somehow you and that poster went far afield from what I had said, and attempted to read into it much more than the simple statement being made.

[INVAR]

so why bother posting #149? 
@roamer_1

Because I felt like it.

[INVAR]

ok, thx for clarification.

If you go back to my earlier post, I was responding to a poster who declared I hate him. I posted that God taught us to, like him, hate the sin but love the sinner, so I have no hate for him no matter what he does or chooses to believe.

Somehow you and that poster went far afield from what I had said, and attempted to read into it much more than the simple statement being made.

Once again, you demonstrate either a total inability to comprehend sentences or bother reading what is posted here or by whom beyond whatever knee jerk instant vitriolic rage you want to spring into over what you read that triggers your replies.

No one said you hated anyone.  The entire discussion regarding "hate" on this thread was over what EMJAY posted that said disagreement with Trump is hate and accusing us of joining the media coup against Trump if we dare talk about what they say:

This whole thing is illustrative of Trump hate ..... why are you joining with the media?

You jumped on board and got your panties in a knicker knot up your wazoo over words you failed to comprehend in their context and attribution.

I think you WANT and DESIRE an argument considering your vain attempt to elicit one via accusing me of going on a "wild agenda-driven rant" over a simple biblical statement.

Take a Midol or something.

[Cripplecreek]

You jumped on board and got your panties in a knicker knot up your wazoo over words you failed to comprehend in their context and attribution.

I think you WANT and DESIRE an argument considering your vain attempt to elicit one via accusing me of going on a "wild agenda-driven rant" over a simple biblical statement.

Take a Midol or something.

You're talking to a nasty passive aggressive troll who will now claim victimhood. Personally I think the whole persona is a lie like BlackFemaleArmyCaptain at TOS.

[DCPatriot]

We're all right, except those who disagree with me and those who quote Bible verses to explain to me why I'm wrong.

 

Ain't that the truth?   

[DCPatriot]

Okay ENOUGH.....

How about this.... We're "joining the media" because we want to.   How about that?

We're joining the media in hating on Trump even AFTER you were the one who brought up yet another I-Don't-Give-A-Sh*t-Trite-Miniscule-Reason to scream about a Presspocalypse about Trump.  We don't give a sh*t whether or not someone holds his hand or not.  We frankly don't care the Yahoo is making a big deal about it.

But fine.  We've "joined the media" to hate on Trump.

What you gonna do about it besides bitch and moan?

I got an idea, why not petition your leader to get rid of the First Amendment?

That ought to create the utopia you seek.

Well....at least we're making progress.   

[DCPatriot]

None of it is nearly as bad as the crap that pours from the forum's higher morale and righteous---uniquely Christian wing.

QFT

[Mod2]

Let's stay on topic.

[Lando Lincoln]

Let's stay on topic.

Is President Trump a pro-football fan?

[Mesaclone]

Well....at least we're making progress.   

Well, at least now they've admitted to having joined the media and Left (which are one and the same) in their hate Trump efforts. As such, Invar and his ilk have now akcnowledged something that has become rather obvious recently, he is working to bring down the party...though he clearly fails to understand that this would herald the end of the conservative movement as an effective political force. This is the very definition, from the Left, of someone who is to them a useful idiot.

Hiding the absence of a solid intellectual argument behind a shield of "righteousness" does not signal devotion to belief, but rather the inability to act with common sense and reason. Supplanting evidence with faith...rather than using them in concert...is not the method of a true man/woman of god...but we've seen nothing but that from the NT moral narcissists. Its unfortunate, because the many Evangelicals and strong Christians who DO support Trump (and they are a majority on the religious right) have so clearly shown that they can bring wisdom and reason to the table...and that they understand Reagan's 80% rule, which is really just common sense.

So, with NT'rs like Invar now openly acknowledging that they are "with" the media/left, the job of the rest of us to fight Leftism and the Socialism that seeks to take the country, becomes much more poignant. We have a cluster of folks who simply want to bring down the party...and so the right...just so they can feel morally virtuous and gain vengeance against a candidate they personally dislike. But conservatism cannot afford such petty motivations, and this NT movement is now shifting itself towards active support of the Left...much to the glee of the Left. Deeply unfortunate.

[corbe]

   @Mesaclone   I do hope you get 'other' exercise besides jumping to conclusions.
   To insinuate that NT's (that word is way past it's use by date) are in collusion with the Media to destroy OUR President is preposterous, IMHO, and frankly reminds me of obummer blaming GWB for everything.   
   But carry on My friend.

[Smokin Joe]

there you go again on some wild agenda-driven rant.

there is a HUGE difference between a sinner, which I referenced, and one who is unrepentant, which you for some unexplainable reason decided to pontificate on.

We are ALL sinners, and Contrary to what you and @roamer_1 say, he loves us anyway.

He gives all of us the opportunity to repent of those sins and embrace him.

If the prodigal son doesn't come home, someone else gets the fatted calf.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Once again, you demonstrate either a total inability to comprehend sentences or bother reading what is posted here or by whom beyond whatever knee jerk instant vitriolic rage you want to spring into over what you read that triggers your replies.

No one said you hated anyone.

you know, a liar has a tough time keeping up with his lies.  Or is this not you?

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,263606.msg1334507.html#msg1334507

[Smokin Joe]

   @Mesaclone   I do hope you get 'other' exercise besides jumping to conclusions.
   To insinuate that NT's (that word is way past it's use by date) are in collusion with the Media to destroy OUR President is preposterous, IMHO, and frankly reminds me of obummer blaming GWB for everything.   
   But carry on My friend.

It was predicted, long before the primaries were over, that any failure on the part of the Trump would be laid not at the feet of those farther to the Left, nor even at the foot of the Media (also farther left), but would instead be blamed on principled Conservatives.

One drop of obvious sarcasm is taken as a flood of hatred.

I do hate the neverending attack on Conservatism by the left AND the middle, the socialist light types who think the world either marches in lockstep with them or is their enemy to be incessantly badgered with bullshit accusations. I have said so before and I will continue to. We could handily attack those further to the left if they would just quit jumping around in the line of fire.

[XenaLee]

It was predicted, long before the primaries were over, that any failure on the part of the Trump would be laid not at the feet of those farther to the Left, nor even at the foot of the Media (also farther left), but would instead be blamed on principled Conservatives.

One drop of obvious sarcasm is taken as a flood of hatred.

I do hate the neverending attack on Conservatism by the left AND the middle, the socialist light types who think the world either marches in lockstep with them or is their enemy to be incessantly badgered with bullshit accusations. I have said so before and I will continue to. We could handily attack those further to the left if they would just quit jumping around in the line of fire.

Yes.... but..... with all due respect, SJ.....

not 'all' #neverTrumpers (or whatever you want to call them now) are conservatives.  That has been proven many times right here on this forum via some of their very own words.

Re: your response to this:
To insinuate that NT's (that word is way past it's use by date) are in collusion with the Media to destroy OUR President is preposterous, IMHO, and frankly reminds me of obummer blaming GWB for everything. 

[DCPatriot]

Well, at least now they've admitted to having joined the media and Left (which are one and the same) in their hate Trump efforts. As such, Invar and his ilk have now akcnowledged something that has become rather obvious recently, he is working to bring down the party...though he clearly fails to understand that this would herald the end of the conservative movement as an effective political force. This is the very definition, from the Left, of someone who is to them a useful idiot.

Hiding the absence of a solid intellectual argument behind a shield of "righteousness" does not signal devotion to belief, but rather the inability to act with common sense and reason. Supplanting evidence with faith...rather than using them in concert...is not the method of a true man/woman of god...but we've seen nothing but that from the NT moral narcissists. Its unfortunate, because the many Evangelicals and strong Christians who DO support Trump (and they are a majority on the religious right) have so clearly shown that they can bring wisdom and reason to the table...and that they understand Reagan's 80% rule, which is really just common sense.

So, with NT'rs like Invar now openly acknowledging that they are "with" the media/left, the job of the rest of us to fight Leftism and the Socialism that seeks to take the country, becomes much more poignant. We have a cluster of folks who simply want to bring down the party...and so the right...just so they can feel morally virtuous and gain vengeance against a candidate they personally dislike. But conservatism cannot afford such petty motivations, and this NT movement is now shifting itself towards active support of the Left...much to the glee of the Left. Deeply unfortunate.

We are in total agreement, @Mesaclone ...but you state it much more eloquently.    ^-^

Have no patience with several of them because they make it crystal clear they're not here to honestly evaluate Pres. Trump, but to ridicule him.   On virtually every thread.

It's a contest among them,... whom can be the wittiest. 

Every night, I look up with a wink and a nod of thanks, for President Donald Trump.

And I'll be GD if I'm going to be the 'Stranger in a Strange Land' here in TBR.

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