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Re: Are U.S. presidential elections de facto binary choices?
« Reply #50 on: May 19, 2017, 01:53:33 PM »
I have a question. Why does the poster who calls himself TX Radio Guy so infrequently have the courtesy to provide any substantive support for his assertions without being asked? Some of your posts are very good and I enjoy reading them, but some, like this one make me wonder if you are like one of those mean kids in kindergarten with a sadistic streak who always behaved as if they believed that they were better than everyone else.

I provide substantive replies when they are warranted...do it all the time here.

This thread however...doesn't warrant it.  It's flamebait pure and simple.  You're trying to lure people into a pissing contest.

I gave the answer your question to start this thread off warranted.  If you think that's mean...maybe you need to grow a bit thicker skin.

Don't worry...it will come with age and maturity.
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Re: U.S. presidential elections are de facto choices.
« Reply #51 on: May 19, 2017, 02:08:26 PM »
I don't see where, at least in this thread, anyone said or implied any of that.

Well, I believe that the high level of harsh vituperation indicates that there are some  extremely hostile underlying attitudes and hurt feelings in play over this and some other issues. Call it a hunch from years of experience posting on political fora. 
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Re: Are U.S. presidential elections de facto binary choices?
« Reply #52 on: May 19, 2017, 02:36:20 PM »
I provide substantive replies when they are warranted...do it all the time here.

This thread however...doesn't warrant it.  It's flamebait pure and simple.  You're trying to lure people into a pissing contest.

I gave the answer your question to start this thread off warranted.  If you think that's mean...maybe you need to grow a bit thicker skin.

Don't worry...it will come with age and maturity.

hah hah I appreciated your posts earlier, even if I didn't agree. Though I suppose we should add mind-reading to ham radio skills for TXradioguy - you know me so well that you described my exact thoughts, intentions and emotions in posting this topic (LFL rolls eyes)! Seriously, give it a rest, Tex - the flippancy, the condescension and the baiting and trying to lure people into a p*ssing contest. Don't do that stuff. Be humble. Like the character in the avatar you use.
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Re: U.S. presidential elections are de facto choices.
« Reply #53 on: May 19, 2017, 02:40:17 PM »
That is a significant downplaying of Trump, whether intended or not.




There is a difference in magnitude of objectionability between Trump and Hillary.   


Hillary is massively worse in every conceivable way. 

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Re: Are U.S. presidential elections de facto binary choices?
« Reply #54 on: May 19, 2017, 02:41:59 PM »
No. 

Next question.


Yes they are,  and of course you are once again on the incorrect side of reality.   


Stop trying to force the world into what you think it should be  and start recognizing the reality that does indeed exist now. 


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Re: U.S. presidential elections are de facto choices.
« Reply #55 on: May 19, 2017, 03:04:44 PM »
@roamer_1
You find a guy who murdered millions of people comparable to Donald Trump?   Donald has done a lot of immoral things but I don't think he's actually killed anyone.  Nor caused anyone to take a fatal shower.

You don't know any of that either way.

Trump has long advocated 'Choice', and I don't believe his 'conversion'... So murder is a poor point of distinction.
There is plenty of evidence that trump has long been in the sack with mob types, so crime is a poor point of distinction. His involvement in casinos, strip clubs, and escort services also point that way. Seedy.
Trump is every bit as bad, or worse wrt lying.

so rah rah team BS aside, I don't see much difference.

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Re: U.S. presidential elections are de facto choices.
« Reply #56 on: May 19, 2017, 03:07:49 PM »

There is a difference in magnitude of objectionability between Trump and Hillary.   


Hillary is massively worse in every conceivable way.

I don't see it that way. At a certain point, magnitude becomes incidental.

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« Reply #57 on: May 19, 2017, 03:09:35 PM »
And as you were told over and over and over again on the other thread: 

You're wrong.  The only binary choice is do I vote?  Yes/No

As soon as  candidates are introduced into the equation your binary nonsense flies out the window because you now have the choice of not voting.

Stop trying to convince us of your brilliance for voting for Trump.  We ain't buying.

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Re: Are U.S. presidential elections de facto binary choices?
« Reply #58 on: May 19, 2017, 03:12:11 PM »

Stop trying to force the world into what you think it should be  and start recognizing the reality that does indeed exist now.

That's rich coming from someone who thinks that in an election there are only two choices...ever.

That is the epitome of not living in reality.
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Re: U.S. presidential elections are de facto choices.
« Reply #59 on: May 19, 2017, 03:15:50 PM »
So if my not voting for Trump is a vote for Clinton, What are you lil Trumpers gonna do about it?  :silly:

Not voting for Measles is a vote for the Mumps.

Not voting for Chevy is a vote for Dodge.

Not voting for Ohio is a vote for Delaware.

Not voting for Enchiladas is a vote for Tamales.

Seems kind of silly to keep bring up that old nonsense.

It is the easiest (and laziest) of rhetorical tactics, that the supporters of these last 2 candidates standing tried to rally around.
Both the Clinton and Trump camp tried to pull that off.

@Cripplecreek, like you, anyone with half a brain could see threw that immature nonsense.

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Re: U.S. presidential elections are de facto choices.
« Reply #60 on: May 19, 2017, 03:31:17 PM »
Not voting for Measles is a vote for the Mumps.

Not voting for Chevy is a vote for Dodge.

Not voting for Ohio is a vote for Delaware.

Not voting for Enchiladas is a vote for Tamales.

Seems kind of silly to keep bring up that old nonsense.

It is the easiest (and laziest) of rhetorical tactics, that the supporters of these last 2 candidates standing tried to rally around.
Both the Clinton and Trump camp tried to pull that off.

@Cripplecreek, like you, anyone with half a brain could see threw that immature nonsense.

Its a simple attempt to insult people into compliance and its utterly pointless. I'm not a middle schooler who can be ridiculed into going along with the crowd and I couldn't care less what the popular kids think.

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« Reply #61 on: May 19, 2017, 03:35:45 PM »
Its a simple attempt to insult people into compliance and its utterly pointless. I'm not a middle schooler who can be ridiculed into going along with the crowd and I couldn't care less what the popular kids think.

Not to mention it's a tactic that's been stolen from the Libs.

"If you don't support abortion you hate women"

If you don't support social security you want old people to die"

And on and on and on...
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Re: Are U.S. presidential elections de facto binary choices?
« Reply #62 on: May 19, 2017, 03:39:23 PM »
Already said me bit on other threads. No need to repeat it for the 20th time.

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Re: U.S. presidential elections are de facto choices.
« Reply #63 on: May 19, 2017, 03:40:38 PM »
I don't see it that way. At a certain point, magnitude becomes incidental.



You are telling me a weed is the same as a Sequoia.    Pardon me if I cannot comprehend your viewpoint. 

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« Reply #64 on: May 19, 2017, 03:42:18 PM »
Not to mention it's a tactic that's been stolen from the Libs.

"If you don't support abortion you hate women"

If you don't support social security you want old people to die"

And on and on and on...

Yeah there's one particularly nasty troll here who likes to tell us that we support abortion because we didn't vote for Trump.

Nothing should make a man happier than knowing his government couldn't care less about him.
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Re: Are U.S. presidential elections de facto binary choices?
« Reply #65 on: May 19, 2017, 03:43:07 PM »
That's rich coming from someone who thinks that in an election there are only two choices...ever.


I didn't say "ever",   just in the absolute vast MAJORITY OF OCCASIONS.   



You are trying to use a rare event to rebuke the normal,   and this is exactly what I mean when I say you aren't accepting reality.   



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« Reply #66 on: May 19, 2017, 03:48:33 PM »
Not voting for Measles is a vote for the Mumps.



Is mumps and measles on a ballot?   Are the people being forced to choose between one of the two in some bizarre circumstance?   


If not,  then you analogy is something that might make sense to a child,   but is complete nonsense to an adult.   



The problem a lot of you have with understanding this election business is that it is going to produce a single result,   and it is going to be a resultant of a choice between two alternatives.   


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« Reply #67 on: May 19, 2017, 03:50:36 PM »
Its a simple attempt to insult people into compliance and its utterly pointless. I'm not a middle schooler who can be ridiculed into going along with the crowd and I couldn't care less what the popular kids think.



But you sure make a point to inform all of us what you think,  even though it's always the same thing,  and many of us are weary of hearing it.   


Apparently you care what we think,  else you wouldn't keep making your opinion known.   


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Re: Are U.S. presidential elections de facto binary choices?
« Reply #68 on: May 19, 2017, 03:50:56 PM »
And the problem you are having is forgetting that other peoples votes are earned. Not owed.
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Re: U.S. presidential elections are de facto choices.
« Reply #69 on: May 19, 2017, 03:54:05 PM »

You are telling me a weed is the same as a Sequoia.    Pardon me if I cannot comprehend your viewpoint. 

Hillary:


Trump:


A very nice simile and post IMO, and I wholly agree with your logic. That being said, I have reached a point where I also believe that the greater truth is that there is some very real reason that people who disagree with this view are reluctant to assent to what seems obvious to us.

My concern now is to try to suss that deeper reasoning out for my own benefit and that of the cause of conservatism. This is in order to hopefully prevent the same thing from happening again. I've noticed that continuing to pursue discussion of it seems only to arouse resentment, not understanding. So I have given up trying to act as an advocate for my own POV.

To be frank, I think there is some evidence that the actual reasons some of our friends (and I do believe to the core of my being that they are friends) disagree has to do with something outside their conscious scope of realization. That is not to say that I believe that they are dense, or insane or have any other major defect, but only that they are human.

IOW, resistance of this magnitude often has roots in something legitimately worth addressing. One of the problems with that is the reason may vary from person to person. The unifying theme that seems to reoccur in virtually all cases is the belief that they and their values have in some significant way been disrespected, ignored or dismissed.

The failure to ameliorate this situation effectively enough to recover many voters, is of the Trump campaign and the GOP directors. And it is their failure, since who else would be responsible!?! 'Not a failure of morality so much as messaging, since the net result of ignoring it was to alienate a significant (but thankfully not a decisive) percentage of the self-described conservative electorate.

Trying to get others to come around to my (our) POV seems to me to be pursuing a Pyrrhic Victory so I won't do it any more. 
 
I can live with disagreement on this issue. What I can't live with is to enable further schism in the conservative cause by allowing my own personal sense of frustration in my failure to convince others, to affect the conservative movement.

Maybe after some long pondering I will come back to it, but for now, it's going to the warehouse for storage so that I can move on to other things with more potential for positive return on investment. This boy is movin' on with the tumblin' tumble weeds ! Who will come with me?
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Re: U.S. presidential elections are de facto choices.
« Reply #70 on: May 19, 2017, 04:00:36 PM »

You are telling me a weed is the same as a Sequoia.    Pardon me if I cannot comprehend your viewpoint. 

A couple more years of Trump, and I bet you will

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Re: U.S. presidential elections are de facto choices.
« Reply #71 on: May 19, 2017, 04:05:45 PM »

Is mumps and measles on a ballot?   Are the people being forced to choose between one of the two in some bizarre circumstance?   
If not,  then you analogy is something that might make sense to a child,   but is complete nonsense to an adult.   
The problem a lot of you have with understanding this election business is that it is going to produce a single result,   and it is going to be a resultant of a choice between two alternatives.   

I must have struck a nerve.
You weren't one of those "Not voting for X is a vote for Y" people, were you?
As far as "people being forced to choose between one of the two in some bizarre circumstance", I'd say that about sums up 2016.

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Re: U.S. presidential elections are de facto choices.
« Reply #72 on: May 19, 2017, 04:09:04 PM »
You can either choose Coke or Pepsi, it's a binary choice!

uh, nope.

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LOL. Omigod, this commercial reminds me of this scene:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OaA3LZHbQs


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Re: Are U.S. presidential elections de facto binary choices?
« Reply #73 on: May 19, 2017, 04:22:01 PM »
As long as we are playing binary hyperbole.


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Re: Are U.S. presidential elections de facto binary choices?
« Reply #74 on: May 19, 2017, 04:32:29 PM »
And the problem you are having is forgetting that other peoples votes are earned. Not owed.

Shhhh can't let the truth slip out like that.

They might not be able to handle it.
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