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The Comey Memo: The Allegation Is Serious, and There Is No Good Outcome
« on: May 17, 2017, 05:04:51 am »
By David French
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/447696/comey-memo-allegation-serious-and-there-no-good-outcome

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If the memo exists, then there is compelling evidence that the president committed a potentially impeachable
offense. Here is the alleged chain of events: First, Trump asked Comey to drop an investigation of a close former
associate and a former senior official in his administration. Second, Comey refused. Third, weeks later Trump fired
Comey. Fourth, Trump then misled the American people regarding the reason for the dismissal. Each prong is important,
but it’s worth noting that the fourth prong — Trump’s deception regarding the reason for Comey’s termination — is
particularly problematic in context. Deception is classic evidence of malign intent.

If true, this is a serious abuse of power, and a Republican Congress would certainly impeach a Democrat if the roles
were reversed. But — and this is vitally important to everyone at DEFCON 1 on Twitter — we don’t know yet if the New
York Times account is true . . .

. . . The bottom line is that Americans need to see the memo, if it exists. The gravity of the accusation demands immediate
Congressional action. [Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Richard] Burr’s committee should subpoena that memo
and every memo or other document reflecting the content of conversations between Comey and President Trump. Do it
today. Burr told reporters that the “burden is on the New York Times” to produce the memo, but that’s absurd. The
Times doesn’t have the ability to compel its production. House and Senate committees do, and they need to do their
job.

There is no good outcome here. Either there is now compelling evidence that the president committed a serious abuse of
power, or the nation’s leading press outlets are dupes for a vindictive, misleading story. Either outcome violates the public
trust in vital American institutions. Either outcome results in a degree of political chaos. If the memo is real and as damaging
as the Times claims, the chaos is likely greater, but don’t underestimate the cultural and political damage if our nation’s most
prestigious press outlets run a story of this magnitude based on a malicious fiction. It’s time for facts and documents, not
anonymity and allegations. It’s time for the truth.
(Bold emphasis added.---EA.)
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Re: The Comey Memo: The Allegation Is Serious, and There Is No Good Outcome
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2017, 05:09:59 am »
More from anonymous leakers at best. The Federal Bureau of Idiots can't even control leaks from within, if true.
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Re: The Comey Memo: The Allegation Is Serious, and There Is No Good Outcome
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2017, 05:13:17 am »
Quote from: RetBobbyMI on May 17, 2017, 05:09:59 am
The Federal Bureau of Idiots can't even control leaks from within, if true.
That would make it even more imperative for the appropriate Senate and House committees to draw
up the subpoenas. Fast.
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Re: The Comey Memo: The Allegation Is Serious, and There Is No Good Outcome
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2017, 05:26:17 am »
The beauty of a memo that might not exist is that failure to produce it and prove innocence can be taken as a sign of guilt.
(Yes, we're there, as a country, where the presumption of innocence is no longer SOP).

If produced and not damning, it will be called "a fake".

If claimed not to exist there will be claims of a "cover-up".
The whole issue is of the nature of the question: "Has he quit beating his wife yet?"

It's the FBI. 30K emails (known), ALL illegal. Over 200 Code Word Top Secret Files, all on a private server, and they could not come up with a chargeable crime, much less a conviction. Q.E.D. Incompetence.
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Re: The Comey Memo: The Allegation Is Serious, and There Is No Good Outcome
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2017, 02:58:50 pm »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on May 17, 2017, 05:26:17 am
The beauty of a memo that might not exist is that failure to produce it and prove innocence can be taken as a sign of guilt.
(Yes, we're there, as a country, where the presumption of innocence is no longer SOP).

If produced and not damning, it will be called "a fake".

If claimed not to exist there will be claims of a "cover-up".
The whole issue is of the nature of the question: "Has he quit beating his wife yet?"

It's the FBI. 30K emails (known), ALL illegal. Over 200 Code Word Top Secret Files, all on a private server, and they could not come up with a chargeable crime, much less a conviction. Q.E.D. Incompetence.
I say again: where are the Congressional subpoenas? They're supposed to have oversight. They need to use it.
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Re: The Comey Memo: The Allegation Is Serious, and There Is No Good Outcome
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2017, 03:01:05 pm »
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and a Republican Congress would certainly impeach a Democrat if the roles
were reversed.

LMAO...No they wouldn't.....can't stop laughing at that comment
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Re: The Comey Memo: The Allegation Is Serious, and There Is No Good Outcome
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2017, 03:05:14 pm »
Quote from: mystery-ak on May 17, 2017, 03:01:05 pm
LMAO...No they wouldn't.....can't stop laughing at that comment

David French is delusional.

It amazes me how people can see things so completely differently.
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Re: The Comey Memo: The Allegation Is Serious, and There Is No Good Outcome
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2017, 03:06:33 pm »
LOL. David French: Hero of the stupid. There is no way in hell a Rat President would be in trouble over this stuff because the MSM would be making up unnamed sources and fabricating unseen evidence to derail the Rat party.
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Re: The Comey Memo: The Allegation Is Serious, and There Is No Good Outcome
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2017, 03:08:58 pm »
Quote from: RetBobbyMI on May 17, 2017, 05:09:59 am
More from anonymous leakers at best. The Federal Bureau of Idiots can't even control leaks from within, if true.

Make that.... The Federal Bureau of Incompetents.  Look at all of the past warnings they were given that they chose not to act on.  All the jihadists and terrorists that were on their "watch" list that went on to murder innocent Americans.  A major overhaul needs to be undertaken of ALL of the US alphabet agencies.
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Re: The Comey Memo: The Allegation Is Serious, and There Is No Good Outcome
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2017, 03:17:03 pm »
and let us not forget that Flynn turned out to be an agent of a foreign (currently fairly hostile) government
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Re: The Comey Memo: The Allegation Is Serious, and There Is No Good Outcome
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2017, 03:18:48 pm »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on May 17, 2017, 05:26:17 am
The beauty of a memo that might not exist is that failure to produce it and prove innocence can be taken as a sign of guilt.
(Yes, we're there, as a country, where the presumption of innocence is no longer SOP).

If produced and not damning, it will be called "a fake".

If claimed not to exist there will be claims of a "cover-up".
The whole issue is of the nature of the question: "Has he quit beating his wife yet?"

It's the FBI. 30K emails (known), ALL illegal. Over 200 Code Word Top Secret Files, all on a private server, and they could not come up with a chargeable crime, much less a conviction. Q.E.D. Incompetence.

@Smokin Joe
Its not incompetence.   The FBI has investigated and recommended charges for numerous other much less damaging cases which did not involve a Clinton.

With Clinton or Clinton connected people the FBI requests an interview with them.  The FBI hands back evidence to the person knowing it is marked to be destroyed.  The FBI reviews 650,000 emails in 8 days.   The FBI IGNORES and COVERS up serious crimes which damaged national security and quite likely got people killed.
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Re: The Comey Memo: The Allegation Is Serious, and There Is No Good Outcome
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2017, 03:19:45 pm »
Quote from: geronl on May 17, 2017, 03:17:03 pm
and let us not forget that Flynn turned out to be an agent of a foreign (currently fairly hostile) government

@geronl
Which foreign govt was Flynn working for and when did the US Govt petition to have him declared a foreign agent?
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Re: The Comey Memo: The Allegation Is Serious, and There Is No Good Outcome
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2017, 03:56:28 pm »
Quote from: driftdiver on May 17, 2017, 03:18:48 pm
@Smokin Joe
Its not incompetence.   The FBI has investigated and recommended charges for numerous other much less damaging cases which did not involve a Clinton.

With Clinton or Clinton connected people the FBI requests an interview with them.  The FBI hands back evidence to the person knowing it is marked to be destroyed.  The FBI reviews 650,000 emails in 8 days.   The FBI IGNORES and COVERS up serious crimes which damaged national security and quite likely got people killed.
I was being kind and choosing the least likely scenario to be branded a "conspiracy theory".

The absolute artistic beauty of the whole Democrat criminal empire under Obama and Clinton is that it is so extensive and interlaced that the sort of territory that must be covered in order to lay out the case reads like a Robert Ludlum plot on Meth. It is the staggering extent, the in-your-face criminality/corruption, and the absolutely outrageous nature of their crimes that is their first line of defense.

Of course, it is 'beautiful' in the sense of a technically detailed and accurate portrayal of the carnage left after a major disaster, one that numbs the mind and makes the eyes glaze over, not in the sense that there is anything good or desirable in the picture.
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Re: The Comey Memo: The Allegation Is Serious, and There Is No Good Outcome
« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2017, 03:59:08 pm »
Quote from: mystery-ak on May 17, 2017, 03:01:05 pm
LMAO...No they wouldn't.....can't stop laughing at that comment
A Republican House did impeach Droopy-Drawers Clinton. (Perjury, suborning perjury, and
obstructing justice, for those who don't remember.) A Republican Senate dropped the ball
when they prosecuted him.
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Re: The Comey Memo: The Allegation Is Serious, and There Is No Good Outcome
« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2017, 04:00:14 pm »
Quote from: EasyAce on May 17, 2017, 03:59:08 pm
A Republican House did impeach Droopy-Drawers Clinton. (Perjury, suborning perjury, and
obstructing justice, for those who don't remember.) A Republican Senate dropped the ball
when they prosecuted him.
The gross irony of it all is that Hillary was kicked off the staff going after Nixon for much the same charges...
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Re: The Comey Memo: The Allegation Is Serious, and There Is No Good Outcome
« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2017, 04:02:05 pm »
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The gross irony of it all is that Hillary was kicked off the staff going after Nixon for much the same charges...
Emphasis on "gross?" ;)
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Re: The Comey Memo: The Allegation Is Serious, and There Is No Good Outcome
« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2017, 04:03:36 pm »
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Re: The Comey Memo: The Allegation Is Serious, and There Is No Good Outcome
« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2017, 04:18:46 pm »
What is the serious of this memo? Well why did comey wait until this week to speak of it? Why not back in Feb?  How does comey still have this memo if he was out of his office when he was fired? Doesn't the White House still tape all that goes on in Oval?
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Re: The Comey Memo: The Allegation Is Serious, and There Is No Good Outcome
« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2017, 04:32:38 pm »
Quote from: flowers on May 17, 2017, 04:18:46 pm
What is the serious of this memo? Well why did comey wait until this week to speak of it? Why not back in Feb?  How does comey still have this memo if he was out of his office when he was fired? Doesn't the White House still tape all that goes on in Oval?
All good questions.
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Re: The Comey Memo: The Allegation Is Serious, and There Is No Good Outcome
« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2017, 04:37:20 pm »
Quote from: flowers on May 17, 2017, 04:18:46 pm
What is the serious of this memo? Well why did comey wait until this week to speak of it? Why not back in Feb?  How does comey still have this memo if he was out of his office when he was fired? Doesn't the White House still tape all that goes on in Oval?

And the fact that Comey stated he wrote it AFTER he had the meeting of which there are no recordings? That pretty much makes it worthless on it's face.
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Re: The Comey Memo: The Allegation Is Serious, and There Is No Good Outcome
« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2017, 04:40:23 pm »
Quote from: Frank Cannon on May 17, 2017, 03:06:33 pm
LOL. David French: Hero of the stupid. There is no way in hell a Rat President would be in trouble over this stuff because the MSM would be making up unnamed sources and fabricating unseen evidence to derail the Rat party.

Actually, there's no way a Rat President would be in trouble over this stuff because the MSM would never have invented the storyline and "flooded the zone". (A favorite tactic of Howell Raines.)
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« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2017, 04:41:15 pm »
Quote from: Free Vulcan on May 17, 2017, 04:37:20 pm
And the fact that Comey stated he wrote it AFTER he had the meeting of which there are no recordings? That pretty much makes it worthless on it's face.

This will not matter.
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Re: The Comey Memo: The Allegation Is Serious, and There Is No Good Outcome
« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2017, 04:44:30 pm »
The left-leaning The Hill has an opinion piece claiming that there is no there there re: this memo....

plus the fact that any such Comey memo would mean that Comey was guilty for not reporting any previous attempted 'obstruction of justice' by Trump..... if it had occurred. 

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/the-administration/333764-opinion-the-comey-memo-offers-zero-proof-to-impeach



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Re: The Comey Memo: The Allegation Is Serious, and There Is No Good Outcome
« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2017, 04:53:47 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on May 17, 2017, 04:41:15 pm
This will not matter.

The media won't care, but it creates a quandry for the Left, because of the fact he only released it after he was fired.
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Re: The Comey Memo: The Allegation Is Serious, and There Is No Good Outcome
« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2017, 04:54:18 pm »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on May 17, 2017, 04:32:38 pm
All good questions.
Where are the appropriate Congressional committees demanding answers?

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