When Will Republicans Dump Trump?

[Emjay]

I think Pence would have a far better shot at unified action. At actually creating a working coalition. He is respected by the Tea Party (even though everyone realizes he needs a backbone), and the moderates will work with him... And he didn't spend a year and a half pissing off absolutely everyone.

And his impeccable character, long record, and mundane lifestyle would leave the press with little traction.

If there is a way forward that will really get things done, it is probably more though Pence than Trump.

But not by impeachment.  That would leave a scar on our party that would never heal.

I'm guessing Trump won't opt for another four years of this sheet and we can vote for Pence then.  I was hoping for Cruz but I really like Pence a lot.

[Cyber Liberty]

Nope!  Yet another scalp on there belt and there would be no stopping them!

I'm with you on that.  The "Hate Pence" drumbeat would start before he even got his hand on the Bible.

[XenaLee]

You know what?  The people you describe who "automatically whip out the "hater" stick to beat people with are so rare on this forum they are in danger of becoming extinct.

Maybe the Trump haters just like to post more or have more time or love the sound of their own keyboards more .... I don't know, but I see far more posts from people who automatically pull out the Hate Trump stick than I see defenders of Trump.

There are a scant few in both groups.  It's just that the anti-Trumpers seem to be more prolific posters .... at least lately...lol.  They've had a lot of ammo and help from the rad left (might explain it).

[XenaLee]

I'm with you on that.  The "Hate Pence" drumbeat would start before he even got his hand on the Bible.

Of course.  And they would probably even try to hire some bimbos to claim (falsely, of course) that they were abused in some way by Pence.  It's a pattern of abuse that the left knows only too well how to inflict upon anyone that isn't on their plantation.

[Smokin Joe]

Nope!  Yet another scalp on there belt and there would be no stopping them!

As a practical matter, while Pence might have less stored enmity out there, you are correct. Any giving ground to the Dems would be seen not only as a sign of weakness, but would encourage them in their lawless rants across the country. Then things would get really ugly, because people would not stand for that.

[roamer_1]

A little simplistic maybe.  The fact is ... there are two Basic sides with some nuances on both sides.

Yes, we chose a side when electing the person you call a child.  Of course we did.

There were only two sides.  One was unacceptable.

The illusion you are operating under is that there are two sides, represented in Democrat and Republican... There are not. Just two feet of the same giant, shuffling toward Gomorrah.

[Cyber Liberty]

Of course.  And they would probably even try to hire some bimbos to claim (falsely, of course) that they were abused in some way by Pence.  It's a pattern of abuse that the left knows only too well how to inflict upon anyone that isn't on their plantation.

Look at how they went after him just for saying he takes his wife with him all the time.  There's no winning with these pieces of crap.

[Hoodat]

   With FR down our resident Trumpsters are getting added reinforcements and I am glad, they needed some fresh blood.  Welcome to all you newbies.

FR is down?  I didn't notice.

[Cyber Liberty]

As a practical matter, while Pence might have less stored enmity out there, you are correct. Any giving ground to the Dems would be seen not only as a sign of weakness, but would encourage them in their lawless rants across the country. Then things would get really ugly, because people would not stand for that.

People WILL put up with it if they think it is just.  That's why the commie media has been such a powerful tool for the Rats.

[Hoodat]

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[roamer_1]

Nope!  Yet another scalp on there belt and there would be no stopping them!

I would disagree. I think the rally on the Conservative side would be significant.

[Emjay]

The illusion you are operating under is that there are two sides, represented in Democrat and Republican... There are not. Just two feet of the same giant, shuffling toward Gomorrah.

"Turning and turning in the widening gyre,

And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, slouches toward Bethlehem to be born."

Yep, a kindred soul to your own.  Glad I don't feel that way.

[txradioguy]

The illusion you are operating under is that there are two sides, represented in Democrat and Republican... There are not. Just two feet of the same giant, shuffling toward Gomorrah.

QFT

[roamer_1]

But not by impeachment.  That would leave a scar on our party that would never heal.

That's the breaks... And the result of electing a man of low character in the first place.

[Bigun]

People WILL put up with it if they think it is just.  That's why the commie media has been such a powerful tool for the Rats.

@Cyber Liberty

A minor correction if I may:

People WILL put up with it if they think are made to believe it is just.  That's why the commie media has been such a powerful tool for the Rats.

The media is GREAT at doing that!

[Bigun]

I would disagree. I think the rally on the Conservative side would be significant.

OK!  I can live with the fact that you disagree with me.  Hope you can as well because I strongly disagree with that.

[INVAR]

It's just that the anti-Trumpers seem to be more prolific posters .... at least lately...lol.  They've had a lot of ammo and help from the rad left (might explain it).

You have left off all the ammo that Trump himself - and his bumbling and handling of all of this has provided.

I would think the disdain for the Left's propaganda Media is greater in influence on those of us who do not see Trump as anything more than he always was and continues to demonstrate. 

Trump has damaged himself and all he has done is give legs to all the efforts the Leftist media is undertaking to decrown him.

[INVAR]

People WILL put up with it if they think are made to believe it is just.  That's why the commie media has been such a powerful tool for the Rats.

The media is GREAT at doing that!

It just highlights the ugly truth that Americans in general today are become an uneducated, ignorant lot of fools easily beguiled and swayed into whatever they are told to think, believe and act on.

The media only has such power because Americans no longer think for themselves and follow the emoting herds into dependency.

[Bigun]

It just highlights the ugly truth that Americans in general today are become an uneducated, ignorant lot of fools easily beguiled and swayed into whatever they are told to think, believe and act on.

The media only has such power because Americans no longer think for themselves and follow the emoting herds into dependency.

Well said!  And unfortunately very true!

[Cyber Liberty]

@Cyber Liberty

A minor correction if I may:

People WILL put up with it if they think are made to believe it is just.  That's why the commie media has been such a powerful tool for the Rats.

The media is GREAT at doing that!

I agree and stand by your edit, it's perfect!   

[InHeavenThereIsNoBeer]

I think if you look around this site with any scintilla of fairness, you won't find anyone like that. What I have seen is how often those who aren't fans of Trump are ignored when they say he did right, but the second they call him on something wrong are labelled "haters" or some such nonsense.

I think it's safe to say there are three or four posters for whom everything trump does is wrong, just as there are three or four for whom everything he does is right. 

The difference I have observed is the former group generally take their shots at trump, while the latter group generally take their shots at just about anyone who criticizes trump (while also throwing around the "hater" label -- really?).

[corbe]

 

[Cyber Liberty]

I think it's safe to say there are three or four posters for whom everything trump does is wrong, just as there are three or four for whom everything he does is right. 

The difference I have observed is the former group generally take their shots at trump, while the latter group generally take their shots at just about anyone who criticizes trump (while also throwing around the "hater" label -- really?).

Then there are the folks on both side who declare TBR a rotten place because the side opposite to theirs is allowed to speak at all.

[roamer_1]

OK!  I can live with the fact that you disagree with me.  Hope you can as well because I strongly disagree with that.

I doubt I will ever have trouble with you @Bigun . I know where you're heart is. And it is fair enough to have disagreement in what is only speculation as to which way the road will turn. We'll know better when we get around the corner.

 

What I DO know is that the Republicans are horribly in disarray, splintered beyond almost all hope. What it will take to fix that is a leader to follow, and a set of standards to fly. That hasn't happened, nor is it likely to happen with Trump at the top.

So in my mind, regardless of the conditions legitimately employed to that end, that end is where it starts to come back together.

In the mean time, not my circus, and certainly not my monkey.

[DB]

Trump is a wrecking ball which isn't a tool of precision. People saw Trump knocking stuff down in DC and were enamored with it. The problem is a wrecking ball is not useful at building things, only at knocking them down. And when you knock down things, particularly in DC, you better fill the void quickly or something else will replace it and that something else can be far worse than what you just knocked down.