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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #200 on: May 17, 2017, 07:09:40 pm »
You're the one who self-professes to be a big brain round here.....you figure it out.

I self professed that?  news to me.  But hey if you've got a link to show I said that...please share with the rest of us.

A lot of us already had it figured out moments after you hit send.  It's very clear what you meant...no sense back peddling now.

The meaning on what you said was crystal clear to just about everyone who read that post.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #201 on: May 17, 2017, 07:18:30 pm »
I'm still trying to figure out why we are debating an article written by Politico as if it's worthy of discussion

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #202 on: May 17, 2017, 07:21:17 pm »

The problem is systemic.   Therefore the only solution is to modify the system so as to alleviate the problem. 


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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #203 on: May 17, 2017, 07:23:35 pm »
@Jarhead

 :amen: Brother!  :amen:

No article is too trivial when it comes to starting another Trump flame war.  :shrug:
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #204 on: May 17, 2017, 07:27:50 pm »
He thought it was a GREAT idea until then.  I'm sure he was shocked when they came for him.  People like that are really hot on knocking off everybody else, in his case he thought wasting half the population of France was a necessary tactic.

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Sort of like all those folks who think we should welcome all those Muslim refugees in the hope that they will kill us last isn't it?
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #205 on: May 17, 2017, 07:31:03 pm »
@INVAR and roamer_1 I'd take it as a compliment when a Liberal calls you politically worthless.

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It has happened so many times as to be... boring.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #206 on: May 17, 2017, 07:37:32 pm »
The Trumpian faction also has to realize that there are some ultra-conservatives like myself, who have taken self-pledges to never ever support a liberal under any circumstance.  This Trojan horse is not a conservative.  He only deserves our contempt.

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You and I agree on most everything but I part company with you if you are suggesting that we should just let the media have it's way with Trump!  NO WAY in hell will I go for that!  Not ever!
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #207 on: May 17, 2017, 07:38:17 pm »
@Cyber Liberty

Sort of like all those folks who think we should welcome all those Muslim refugees in the hope that they will kill us last isn't it?

I don't know about that analogy.  Robespierre never expected to get knocked off at all, let alone last.  He was a big shot when it came to killing off other people, though.  More like a case of "Good for thee, but not for me."
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #208 on: May 17, 2017, 07:39:23 pm »
Whoooooa there cowboy.  Not saying we would get anything less obstructionist from the dims, but at least all the DJT clown show distraction  would be cleared.

And the media would turn up the heat X100 if not 1000!
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #209 on: May 17, 2017, 07:42:45 pm »
I'm simply saying that in some cases, probably most on this site, defending Trump no more equates to mindlessly defending a  political messiah than opposing him equals support for Hillary.
When he is right he is right, when he is wrong, he is wrong.

It's only the fine points of whether he is right or wrong that seem to be at issue for most.

It is those who will admit no wrong and automatically whip out the "hater" stick to beat people with who have a real problem.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #210 on: May 17, 2017, 07:42:47 pm »
@catfish1957

You and I agree on most everything but I part company with you if you are suggesting that we should just let the media have it's way with Trump!  NO WAY in hell will I go for that!  Not ever!

Not at all.  I see these as independent issues.  The MSM needs to be defrocked, but OTOH, Trump needs to stop these self-inflicted woes.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #211 on: May 17, 2017, 07:43:03 pm »
Terrific post @skeeter

Yes, well expressed, Skeeter.

Proving it's possible to do that without being insulting to others.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #212 on: May 17, 2017, 07:44:25 pm »
There is a third side that is neither for Trump nor against him.

He was elected. The establishment - political community, media, bureaucracy - is attempting to reverse that election under the pretense of some grotesque double standard of justice. There is no evidence to speak of yet they're already talking about impeachment.

Unless some real law breaking or otherwise truly impeachable offense is revealed then opposing the establishment's effort to reverse the results of the past election does not equate to defending Trump simply because he's "our guy". It would be a catastrophe if they were to succeed.

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #213 on: May 17, 2017, 07:46:34 pm »
When he is right he is right, when he is wrong, he is wrong.

It's only the fine points of whether he is right or wrong that seem to be at issue for most.

It is those who will admit no wrong and automatically whip out the "hater" stick to beat people with who have a real problem.

You know what?  The people you describe who "automatically whip out the "hater" stick to beat people with are so rare on this forum they are in danger of becoming extinct.

Maybe the Trump haters just like to post more or have more time or love the sound of their own keyboards more .... I don't know, but I see far more posts from people who automatically pull out the Hate Trump stick than I see defenders of Trump.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #214 on: May 17, 2017, 07:46:34 pm »
When he is right he is right, when he is wrong, he is wrong.

It's only the fine points of whether he is right or wrong that seem to be at issue for most.

It is those who will admit no wrong and automatically whip out the "hater" stick to beat people with who have a real problem.
That's funny, I think it's the people who refuse to admit that everything he does isn't wrong or illegal are the ones who have a real problem. :shrug:  Those people deserve the "hater" label.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #215 on: May 17, 2017, 07:47:33 pm »
Gee...how else is one supposed to take a call to "emulate the jihadists"?
Maybe he just likes car bombs in markets and IEDs.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #216 on: May 17, 2017, 07:48:25 pm »
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Sort of like all those folks who think we should welcome all those Muslim refugees in the hope that they will kill us last isn't it?

I know I'm probably a bad person but I just don't and cannot like Muslims.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #217 on: May 17, 2017, 07:50:31 pm »
That's funny, I think it's the people who refuse to admit that everything he does isn't wrong or illegal are the ones who have a real problem. :shrug:  Those people deserve the "hater" label.
I think if you look around this site with any scintilla of fairness, you won't find anyone like that. What I have seen is how often those who aren't fans of Trump are ignored when they say he did right, but the second they call him on something wrong are labelled "haters" or some such nonsense.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #218 on: May 17, 2017, 07:50:42 pm »
This demanding everybody choose sides is what led us to where we have a child in office today.  "You're either on my side or you're the enemy" is fine for spotting Islamist terrorists and their enablers, but a very poor governing philosophy in the US.

A little simplistic maybe.  The fact is ... there are two Basic sides with some nuances on both sides.

Yes, we chose a side when electing the person you call a child.  Of course we did.

There were only two sides.  One was unacceptable.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #219 on: May 17, 2017, 07:53:27 pm »
I know I'm probably a bad person but I just don't and cannot like Muslims.

I have many Muslim friends an acquaintances but I KNOW what would happen to me if their religious leaders ever gain power here.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #220 on: May 17, 2017, 07:53:46 pm »
And the media would turn up the heat X100 if not 1000!

I think Pence would have a far better shot at unified action. At actually creating a working coalition. He is respected by the Tea Party (even though everyone realizes he needs a backbone), and the moderates will work with him... And he didn't spend a year and a half pissing off absolutely everyone.

And his impeccable character, long record, and mundane lifestyle would leave the press with little traction.

If there is a way forward that will really get things done, it is probably more though Pence than Trump.

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #221 on: May 17, 2017, 07:55:34 pm »
I think if you look around this site with any scintilla of fairness, you won't find anyone like that. What I have seen is how often those who aren't fans of Trump are ignored when they say he did right, but the second they call him on something wrong are labelled "haters" or some such nonsense.

And it's not even just if/when you disagree with something Trump does or says.  It's even if/when you disagree with something the GOPe is pushing .... like TrumpCare/ObamaCareLite.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #222 on: May 17, 2017, 07:55:50 pm »
I think Pence would have a far better shot at unified action. At actually creating a working coalition. He is respected by the Tea Party (even though everyone realizes he needs a backbone), and the moderates will work with him... And he didn't spend a year and a half pissing off absolutely everyone.

And his impeccable character, long record, and mundane lifestyle would leave the press with little traction.

If there is a way forward that will really get things done, it is probably more though Pence than Trump.

Nope!  Yet another scalp on there belt and there would be no stopping them!
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #223 on: May 17, 2017, 07:56:32 pm »
You know what?  The people you describe who "automatically whip out the "hater" stick to beat people with are so rare on this forum they are in danger of becoming extinct.

Maybe the Trump haters just like to post more or have more time or love the sound of their own keyboards more .... I don't know, but I see far more posts from people who automatically pull out the Hate Trump stick than I see defenders of Trump.
For a second I thought y'all were lobbying for 'endangered species' status.

I don't know of any "Trump Haters", despite there being plenty of folks who disagree with some of the things he has done or the way he has done them.
I must be on all the wrong threads. Either that, or you equate disagreement with "hate", which is patently ridiculous.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #224 on: May 17, 2017, 07:57:44 pm »
A little simplistic maybe.  The fact is ... there are two Basic sides with some nuances on both sides.

Yes, we chose a side when electing the person you call a child.  Of course we did.

There were only two sides.  One was unacceptable.

There were many fine choices during the primaries, way down to the bottom of my list was one Donald Trump.

Life is not black and white.  You are doing a disservice to people who would be your allies by pigeon-holing them as being against you when they aren't at heart.  That was the point I was attempting to make, but I did an inartful job of it.
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