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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2017, 02:27:51 am »
This may sound like hyperbole, but we are now openly at war with the Left.

"We" nothing.

The GOP is not in open warfare with the Left, they are too busy placating and accommodating them and adopting the Left's Agenda as their own with a few modifications.  The Left is certainly 'at war' with everyone they perceive to be in opposition to them.  The 'Right'?  Not so much.

Its a familiar determination, one that cost 100's of millions of lives in the 20th century, but it is rearing in its head now right in front of us...threatening the very fabric of the United States.

We've been warning of that path we have been treading for years to wholesale dismissal from everyone who insisted that could never happen here and/or our salvation rests on political saviors.  We will live that which we have chosen to be ignorant of.

If conservatives and Republicans cannot rally together now, we are going to lose this fight and this country...and we will not win it back in our lifetimes.

You are witness to the fact illustrated on this very board that sharing a commonality is rarely if ever possible.  We cannot even agree on what the core moral foundations are supposed to be, much less the definition of liberty as intended.  Hell, we cannot even define marriage, or what constitutes a standard family anymore. 

It will take a biblically religious revival, of which the majority of churches in this nation are not even interested in, and a majority population who view the bible with hostility, want nothing to do with. 

Remember, tyranny and oppression arise from the Left and are shrouded in self-attributed good intentions married to self delusion.

So too does Nationalist Populism that has no problem with big government.  Socialism simply by another name.

We are approaching that moment where the country is going to take a paradigm shift in one direction or another...we will move sharply Left, or we will fight back this tide and hold to the constitution.

We are ALREADY sharply Left.  Even among the GOP and the 'Moderates' - the Constitution is referenced only when it serves their larger political agenda and have no more use for it's strict adherence anymore than the Democrats do.   Populists for Trump have previously stated their opinion is that he needs to act as a dictator.   As to fighting back - well, France in the early-to-mid 1790's is most likely what will result, especially when the economic consequences already sown come crashing down on us.

I'm not optimistic that we can unify sufficiently to beat a Left that is now moving in almost complete concert.

THAT insight I will agree with you on.  We are already too divided among core issues and values to pose any kind of unified opposition and the majority of the population will side with the Left rather than those who want smaller government.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #26 on: May 17, 2017, 02:34:12 am »
Aren't you just the little ray of sunshine today.

I don't believe that GWB gave us Obama.  I'm expecting the country to move more firmly to the right in the next few years.  We've already started in that direction with the House, Senate, Governorships and President.

Where have you been? 
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #27 on: May 17, 2017, 02:36:21 am »
Where have you been?

What do you mean?
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #28 on: May 17, 2017, 02:38:06 am »
Where have you been?

If you mean that literally, I have been watching the birds at our feeding stations, walking Smitty, doing my laundry at the outside washer and dryer, watching a little TV (Better Call Saul is good) and hanging out here a little.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #29 on: May 17, 2017, 02:44:01 am »
Which is why people like you embrace and push Big Government Populism/Socialism/Fascism -

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I embrace your right to opine @INVAR but you know nothing and post from your knee jerk.  Carry on friend; go forth and spew.   ^-^

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #30 on: May 17, 2017, 03:01:43 am »

I embrace your right to opine @INVAR but you know nothing and post from your knee jerk. 

You are the one who stated that Conservatism represented by the majority on this board is 'unelectable'.

Which explains your unwavering Apologetics for a lifelong NY Liberal Democrat who now leads your party and the country,  and your propaganda for a party beholden to Big Government as long as they get to manage it.
« Last Edit: May 17, 2017, 03:02:17 am by INVAR »
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #31 on: May 17, 2017, 03:07:07 am »
@INVAR

Thank you, INVAR, for this well thought out post and taking the time to write it.  I copied your words to post them again and here they are:

"The GOP is not in open warfare with the Left, they are too busy placating and accommodating them and adopting the Left's Agenda as their own with a few modifications.  The Left is certainly 'at war' with everyone they perceive to be in opposition to them.  The 'Right'?  Not so much.

We've been warning of that path we have been treading for years to wholesale dismissal from everyone who insisted that could never happen here and/or our salvation rests on political saviors.  We will live that which we have chosen to be ignorant of.

You are witness to the fact illustrated on this very board that sharing a commonality is rarely if ever possible.  We cannot even agree on what the core moral foundations are supposed to be, much less the definition of liberty as intended.  Hell, we cannot even define marriage, or what constitutes a standard family anymore. 

It will take a biblically religious revival, of which the majority of churches in this nation are not even interested in, and a majority population who view the bible with hostility, want nothing to do with.

So too does Nationalist Populism that has no problem with big government.  Socialism simply by another name.

We are ALREADY sharply Left.  Even among the GOP and the 'Moderates' - the Constitution is referenced only when it serves their larger political agenda and have no more use for it's strict adherence anymore than the Democrats do.   Populists for Trump have previously stated their opinion is that he needs to act as a dictator.   As to fighting back - well, France in the early-to-mid 1790's is most likely what will result, especially when the economic consequences already sown come crashing down on us.

We are already too divided among core issues and values to pose any kind of unified opposition and the majority of the population will side with the Left rather than those who want smaller government."

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #32 on: May 17, 2017, 03:14:26 am »
Which explains your unwavering Apologetics for a lifelong NY Liberal Democrat who now leads your party and the country,  and your propaganda for a party beholden to Big Government as long as they get to manage it.




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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #33 on: May 17, 2017, 03:18:46 am »
The post by Invar is the very definition of why we are losing this war with the Left. He'd rather disparage Republicans and Conservatives that he finds "impure", than actually come together and fight the Left. He wants to kill the apostate whilst the barbarian horde bursts through the city gates to kill everyone. Many of us here may not meet your purity test, Invar, but by any classical definition we are every bit the conservative you deem yourself...in many senses, moreso.

And while our disagreements with you are as principle based and adamant as your own, we have the maturity and reason to see that it is the assault from without the Republican/Conservative ranks that is capable of destroying everything we all hold dear....constitutionalism, religious freedom, free speech, and even the electoral nature of our Republic. You want to engage in petty internal squabbles rather than fight the Mongol Horde....and that is idiocy in action. That is not to say I consider you intellectual lacking...on the contrary...but you've let doctrinal fanaticism lead you into behavior that assures the Left will win this battle for the future.

I sincerely and honestly beseech you to aim your fire outside the walls, rather than at the soldiers next to you who you deem imperfect.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #34 on: May 17, 2017, 03:18:59 am »
For the most part, they already do...what they don't embrace is Reactionary Fundamentalism. Which is actually a perversion of conservatism, as it invites government into our personal and religious lives.

No they don't. Not in the least

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #35 on: May 17, 2017, 03:19:37 am »
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #36 on: May 17, 2017, 03:21:25 am »
This may sound like hyperbole, but we are now openly at war with the Left. They are seeking to override a fair and constitutional election because they did not like the outcome. They are using tactics from street brawling, general rioting, disruption of political rallies, radicalization of students on college campuses, and the domination of the 4th estate for purposes of propaganda and disinformation.  They are willing to sacrifice the constitution, democracy, and all of the established rules of our civil society in pursuit of seizing back power. Its a familiar determination, one that cost 100's of millions of lives in the 20th century, but it is rearing in its head now right in front of us...threatening the very fabric of the United States.

If conservatives and Republicans cannot rally together now, we are going to lose this fight and this country...and we will not win it back in our lifetimes. Remember, tyranny and oppression arise from the Left and are shrouded in self-attributed good intentions married to self delusion. We are approaching that moment where the country is going to take a paradigm shift in one direction or another...we will move sharply Left, or we will fight back this tide and hold to the constitution.

I'm not prone to apocalyptic political predictions and find myself almost stunned by the situation we are crashing into...we must oppose this with every non-violent means at our disposal. And I'll be honest, I'm not optimistic that we can unify sufficiently to beat a Left that is now moving in almost complete concert.

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #37 on: May 17, 2017, 03:22:16 am »
Trump is, sad to say, an amateur who is being ground into dust by the professionals.   The business of politics and the media's coverage of it requires adherence to an accepted protocol of behavior, and Trump's defying it and the pros are lowering the boom on him.   

Trump has to appeal to the people.   He is being confronted by a slow-motion coup,  and he has to simultaneously be Presidential and attack the motivations of his adversaries.   He needs to fight this civil war, for that is what this is, or step aside.   
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #38 on: May 17, 2017, 03:25:49 am »
It would be a very bad move for "Republicans" to dump Trump.  If they ever think they're going to get his voters back they are sadly mistaken.  I'd rather dump McConnell, McCain, Graham, etc. :0001:

I can count on one hand the republicans I trust.
Whether they dump Trump or not is incidental to me...
But not because of Trump.
I trust him less than the rest of them.

Throw all the bastards out. That would be a good start.

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #39 on: May 17, 2017, 03:26:42 am »
I can count on one hand the republicans I trust.
Whether they dump Trump or not is incidental to me...
But not because of Trump.
I trust him less than the rest of them.

Throw all the bastards out. That would be a good start.

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #40 on: May 17, 2017, 03:29:30 am »
When will Republicans embrace Conservatism?

They won't, as demonstrated by @Mesaclone in not one, but two posts where he makes the distinction between the two.

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #41 on: May 17, 2017, 03:30:25 am »
When Will Republicans Dump Trump?

Better question is when will the Republicans take a dump. They are all a bunch of tight asses.


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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #42 on: May 17, 2017, 03:31:20 am »
The left is at a historic low point, and yet we still cannot seem to get anything done. This is pretty remarkable and yet, government seems paralyzed. Some people blame Trump, some blame the GOP.  It's pretty pathetic, frankly.


Not remarkable in the least. This  is what you get without adherence to the things that make us ONE. How do you expect people to unite behind this? Behind WHAT?

You know those things.
Principles.

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #43 on: May 17, 2017, 03:32:43 am »
The post by Invar is the very definition of why we are losing this war with the Left. He'd rather disparage Republicans and Conservatives that he finds "impure", than actually come together and fight the Left. He wants to kill the apostate whilst the barbarian horde bursts through the city gates to kill everyone. Many of us here may not meet your purity test, Invar, but by any classical definition we are every bit the conservative you deem yourself...in many senses, moreso.

And while our disagreements with you are as principle based and adamant as your own, we have the maturity and reason to see that it is the assault from without the Republican/Conservative ranks that is capable of destroying everything we all hold dear....constitutionalism, religious freedom, free speech, and even the electoral nature of our Republic. You want to engage in petty internal squabbles rather than fight the Mongol Horde....and that is idiocy in action. That is not to say I consider you intellectual lacking...on the contrary...but you've let doctrinal fanaticism lead you into behavior that assures the Left will win this battle for the future.

I sincerely and honestly beseech you to aim your fire outside the walls, rather than at the soldiers next to you who you deem imperfect.

Amen and amen, brother.

We have always had squishes in Congress but the hatred of some for the moderates has become a little creepy.

I've been verbally abused for referring back to Hillary but I would rather have our squishes than Chuck U Schumer, that Watters person or almost any democrat you could name.

Congress came together on our Supreme Court nominee.  They can be annoying but they are not the enemy.

The enemy is over there .... way over there to the left.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #44 on: May 17, 2017, 03:35:23 am »
Aren't you just the little ray of sunshine today.

@DB is stone dead right.

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I don't believe that GWB gave us Obama.  I'm expecting the country to move more firmly to the right in the next few years.  We've already started in that direction with the House, Senate, Governorships and President.

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It's alright. Ultimately they will learn
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #45 on: May 17, 2017, 03:36:10 am »
:quote author=Victoria33 link=topic=263143.msg1323588#msg1323588 date=1494991177]
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #46 on: May 17, 2017, 03:36:28 am »

If he continues disrespecting Israel Christians will drop him like a hot rock.

Most I know never picked him up in the first place

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #47 on: May 17, 2017, 03:36:39 am »
No, you are the left.
and it is already gone.

Folks like INVAR and roamer are worthless politically.   They may as well be in league with those seeking to upend the election. 

They reside in Cloudcuckooland;  the rest of need to gird for what's coming.       

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #48 on: May 17, 2017, 03:39:14 am »
@DB is stone dead right.

You're dreaming. Most don't even know where 'right' is.
It's alright. Ultimately they will learn
Pain is a great teacher.

No DB isn't right.

Yes, he is.

No, he isn't

Is too

Is not.

Very productive, right.

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #49 on: May 17, 2017, 03:39:27 am »
Folks like INVAR and roamer are worthless politically.   They may as well be in league with those seeking to upend the election. 

They reside in Cloudcuckooland;  the rest of need to gird for what's coming.     

says the resident liberal  I would rather have folks like @roamer_1  and @INVAR in the trenches with me. I know where they stand.
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