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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #700 on: May 19, 2017, 04:03:25 PM »


Most intelligent statement I have read on this website today.   

It's been said a multitude of times previously!

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #701 on: May 19, 2017, 04:04:14 PM »
CORRECTAMUNDO!

The fact that their side is ignorant of this basic truth illustrates clearly that they are enemies of Conservatism.

Who are the enemies of Conservatism @Hoodat ?
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #702 on: May 19, 2017, 04:10:07 PM »
Sounds simple.   Which incentive would you start with?  @RoosGirl   And then what should be next?

Thanks.


You are asking how we get back to where we ought to be from here?    That's a good question.   Most of my understanding of the situation tells me it ain't gonna happen; that it isn't even possible; That we are doomed to economic and social collapse.   



But if I was to take a stab at how it might be possible to get back to where we should be,  the first thing I would say we need to do is to go to war with the existing media/propaganda system. 



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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #703 on: May 19, 2017, 04:11:34 PM »
First thing, stop giving food stamps to fat people.  Duh.


Non starter.   The people who get the incentives will vote against you,  so this approach is stymied. 



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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #704 on: May 19, 2017, 04:13:53 PM »
Who are the enemies of Conservatism @Hoodat ?

Well, you have your usual suspects, hardline communist and other assorted Democrats.  But ghat is expected.  Far worse though are the Bill Bolling types who claim themselves to be Conservatives while at the same time demanding that real Conservatives abandon their Conservative values for political expediency - people such as yourself.  Because if you can't  even get on board with getting government the hell out of the health insurance industry, then that makes you an enemy of Conservatism.  Capisce?
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #705 on: May 19, 2017, 04:15:03 PM »

Non starter.   The people who get the incentives will vote against you,  so this approach is stymied.

Yup.  There's a famous quote about what happens to a Democracy when people figure out they can vote themselves largess out of the Treasury.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #706 on: May 19, 2017, 04:15:30 PM »

Non starter.   The people who get the incentives will vote against you,  so this approach is stymied.


Of course there is the alternative approach - go full Democrat.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #707 on: May 19, 2017, 04:16:28 PM »
Where do you start @DiogenesLamp ?  Where do you stop?


Both good questions.   If we somehow manage to steamroller over the entrenched powers that created this existing system,   how will we have sufficient self control to stop this thing from going too far?   


But obviously the first problem is how do we roll over the entrenched powers that built this and like it the way it is now?   


Media.   We take over the Media.   We destroy their media,  and replace it with our media,  and we keep hammering at them and discrediting them until we win the propaganda war.   


The Media system is the lynchpin of Federal elections in this nation,  and there is a very good reason why it is headquartered in New York.   


It serves the interests of the people who control it,  and most of them live in the North East.





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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #708 on: May 19, 2017, 04:18:09 PM »
Yup.  There's a famous quote about what happens to a Democracy when people figure out they can vote themselves largess out of the Treasury.


And this is exactly what killed the original Greek "Democracy." 



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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #709 on: May 19, 2017, 04:19:06 PM »
It's been said a multitude of times previously!

Then, maybe you can tell me @Bigun the government incentive you remove first ... and when you know you've removed enough.

These are serious questions.  I've heard this talking point for years, Bigun. It's been throw out by anyone trying to claim the Reagan mantle to a near orgasmic reception by SOME conservatives.   It's not new.  And since it's always DOA, it's really not intelligent to keep pushing for the same failed approach.

No one else is even listening.  Maybe explaining what you would remove and when you would stop would go a long way to changing this.

If this matters to you.   :shrug:

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #710 on: May 19, 2017, 04:19:53 PM »

Of course there is the alternative approach - go full Democrat.


You are going to have to explain further what you mean by this.    Are you saying "Give up and join the inevitable team."   Or something?  "Get what you can while there is still blood to be sucked out of this America?"   


Not sure what you are trying to say here.






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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #711 on: May 19, 2017, 04:20:26 PM »
So what? @roamer_1 ... Are you going to let "Republican" prevent you from being heard?  Having a chance at governing?  Maybe even winning the big prize some day?

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #712 on: May 19, 2017, 04:23:06 PM »
Sounds simple.   Which incentive would you start with?  @RoosGirl   And then what should be next?

Thanks.

No idea what order things should be in, but I'm sure some smart economists could figure out the path of least misery.  I don't say it's simple and I don't say it's easy.  I imagine a weaning off period would be needed; food stamps, cell phones, social security, unemployment, etc. 
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #713 on: May 19, 2017, 04:26:11 PM »
1.  End all tax credits.  If you don't pay the tax you don't get jack.

2.  Place a 5-year limit on welfare.  If you get off welfare, then you can start paying the government back to build your limit back up.

3.  Stop rewarding single mothers for being single mothers.

4.  End the SS ponzi scheme and replace it with actual investment.

5.  End the government student loan monopoly.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #714 on: May 19, 2017, 04:29:37 PM »
Then, maybe you can tell me @Bigun the government incentive you remove first ... and when you know you've removed enough.

These are serious questions.  I've heard this talking point for years, Bigun. It's been throw out by anyone trying to claim the Reagan mantle to a near orgasmic reception by SOME conservatives.   It's not new.  And since it's always DOA, it's really not intelligent to keep pushing for the same failed approach.

No one else is even listening.  Maybe explaining what you would remove and when you would stop would go a long way to changing this.

If this matters to you.   :shrug:

Thanks.

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Of course! We actually made a very good start on it under Clinton when he was dragged kicking and screaming to genuine welfare reform and you will note that the FIRST thing the left did when they got back in power was to reverse those reforms!  Hell the entire Obama agenda was about reversing those reforms!

We have now three generations of people who have become totally dependent on uncle sugar for their daily bread and reversing that will not be easy. No one has ever heard me say otherwise but there are MANY things that can and should be done. #1 on my list would be to stop the practice of having more illegitimate babies simply in order to get a bigger check from uncle sugar!  #2 would be to tighten WAY up on what you can and cannot buy with food stamps...

The list is LONG! Too long for me to pound out here!
 
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #715 on: May 19, 2017, 04:31:22 PM »
It's not new.  And since it's always DOA, it's really not intelligent to keep pushing for the same failed approach.


To me, this attitude is just handwringing and whining by people who are too lazy or don't have the backbone to stand up and do the right thing; the same people who are afraid of being called meanies for laying some tough love out.  They're cowards for being willing to allow the can to be kicked down the road and letting someone else reap the consequences when the bottom finally does fall out.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #716 on: May 19, 2017, 04:36:08 PM »
To me, this attitude is just handwringing and whining by people who are too lazy or don't have the backbone to stand up and do the right thing; the same people who are afraid of being called meanies for laying some tough love out.  They're cowards for being willing to allow the can to be kicked down the road and letting someone else reap the consequences when the bottom finally does fall out.

Amen to that!
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #717 on: May 19, 2017, 04:38:24 PM »
#1 on my list would be to stop the practice of having more illegitimate babies simply in order to get a bigger check from uncle sugar! 

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #718 on: May 19, 2017, 04:43:13 PM »

And I would throw out citizenship for anchor babies   That would stop the one infant born here from    becoming a free ticket for 3 generations of relatives getting to stay in the US and hop on the taxpayer gravy train
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #719 on: May 19, 2017, 04:47:36 PM »
And I would throw out citizenship for anchor babies   That would stop the one infant born here from    becoming a free ticket for 3 generations of relatives getting to stay in the US and hop on the taxpayer gravy train

That is an issue that needs fighting out in court.  I firmly believe that the children of non citizens who happen to be born on our soil are not automatically citizens today.

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #720 on: May 19, 2017, 04:50:29 PM »
And I would throw out citizenship for anchor babies   That would stop the one infant born here from    becoming a free ticket for 3 generations of relatives getting to stay in the US and hop on the taxpayer gravy train

right.

But it boils down, and always will boil down, to repenting of this absurd and unsustainable lifestyle.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #721 on: May 19, 2017, 04:52:39 PM »
right.

But it boils down, and always will boil down, to repenting of this absurd and unsustainable lifestyle.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #722 on: May 19, 2017, 04:56:08 PM »
1.  End all tax credits.  If you don't pay the tax you don't get jack.

2.  Place a 5-year limit on welfare.  If you get off welfare, then you can start paying the government back to build your limit back up.

3.  Stop rewarding single mothers for being single mothers.

4.  End the SS ponzi scheme and replace it with actual investment.

5.  End the government student loan monopoly.


And which one of these are you going to be able to get through the Congress and get the President to sign? 



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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #723 on: May 19, 2017, 04:58:10 PM »

You are going to have to explain further what you mean by this.    Are you saying "Give up and join the inevitable team."

Uh, no.  That's what you are saying.  I'll stick to what I believe in instead of embracing Democrat values because it gets me elected.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #724 on: May 19, 2017, 04:59:09 PM »

And which one of these are you going to be able to get through the Congress and get the President to sign?

With Trump, none.  But then Trump isn't a Conservative.
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