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When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« on: May 16, 2017, 07:20:32 PM »

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2017, 07:55:11 PM »
When will Republicans embrace Conservatism?
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2017, 08:21:04 PM »
When Hell freezes over.

The GOP lacks any sort of vision or leadership. Trump isn't providing it. Paul Ryan certainly isn't, either.

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2017, 08:24:33 PM »
It would be a very bad move for "Republicans" to dump Trump.  If they ever think they're going to get his voters back they are sadly mistaken.  I'd rather dump McConnell, McCain, Graham, etc. :0001:

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2017, 08:30:23 PM »
When will Republicans embrace Conservatism?

Why would any rational human (including Republican) do this @Hoodat ?   The "conservatism" represented by the majority of voices here is, for a myriad of reasons, simply unelectable.   :shrug:
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2017, 08:37:05 PM »
They best not if they want to retain the power they covet.  The backlash on election day will be mighty.

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2017, 08:37:37 PM »
When will Republicans embrace Conservatism?

I think it is pretty clear that train left the station and isn't coming back. Trump is just a symptom of how far gone things are. By the time the circus leaves town the GOP is going to be a laughing stock and there's going to be hell to pay as a result. GWB gave us Obama, we'll see what Trump brings us. I expect something far worse.

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2017, 08:39:46 PM »
Why would any rational human (including Republican) do this @Hoodat ?   The "conservatism" represented by the majority of voices here is, for a myriad of reasons, simply unelectable.   :shrug:

Then get use to watching the country go down the toilet. Without it there's no recovery.

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2017, 08:47:24 PM »
When will Republicans embrace Conservatism?
 

Every other fall, for a few months, for some.  Others can go about six years.

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2017, 09:36:06 PM »
When will Republicans embrace Conservatism?

For the most part, they already do...what they don't embrace is Reactionary Fundamentalism. Which is actually a perversion of conservatism, as it invites government into our personal and religious lives.

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2017, 09:36:54 PM »
It would be a very bad move for "Republicans" to dump Trump.  If they ever think they're going to get his voters back they are sadly mistaken.  I'd rather dump McConnell, McCain, Graham, etc. :0001:

The time to have dumped McConnell, McCain, Graham and the rest of the RINO's was a long time ago...that ship has sailed.  Who exactly would we replace them with??
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2017, 09:41:23 PM »
The time to have dumped McConnell, McCain, Graham and the rest of the RINO's was a long time ago...that ship has sailed.  Who exactly would we replace them with??

I'd suggest heads of lettuce, but I don't think anyone is ready for a functional congress.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2017, 09:47:43 PM »
For the most part, they already do...what they don't embrace is Reactionary Fundamentalism. Which is actually a perversion of conservatism, as it invites government into our personal and religious lives.

Right... Government run health care is real "conservative"... Nowhere in the constitution is there authorization of the federal government running health insurance. Zip. Where in the constitution is the allowance of the executive branch to pick which laws it is going to enforce? Like looking the other way for the "good" illegal aliens but getting rid of the "bad" ones? The list is long of such things. It is lawless.

And how many conservatives here on this site give a crap what consenting adults do in their homes? Not many. Your "fundamentalism" claims are false. The actual conservatives on this site are for smaller government and liberty.

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2017, 09:48:30 PM »
This may sound like hyperbole, but we are now openly at war with the Left. They are seeking to override a fair and constitutional election because they did not like the outcome. They are using tactics from street brawling, general rioting, disruption of political rallies, radicalization of students on college campuses, and the domination of the 4th estate for purposes of propaganda and disinformation.  They are willing to sacrifice the constitution, democracy, and all of the established rules of our civil society in pursuit of seizing back power. Its a familiar determination, one that cost 100's of millions of lives in the 20th century, but it is rearing in its head now right in front of us...threatening the very fabric of the United States.

If conservatives and Republicans cannot rally together now, we are going to lose this fight and this country...and we will not win it back in our lifetimes. Remember, tyranny and oppression arise from the Left and are shrouded in self-attributed good intentions married to self delusion. We are approaching that moment where the country is going to take a paradigm shift in one direction or another...we will move sharply Left, or we will fight back this tide and hold to the constitution.

I'm not prone to apocalyptic political predictions and find myself almost stunned by the situation we are crashing into...we must oppose this with every non-violent means at our disposal. And I'll be honest, I'm not optimistic that we can unify sufficiently to beat a Left that is now moving in almost complete concert.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2017, 09:52:34 PM »
Why would any rational human (including Republican) do this @Hoodat ?   The "conservatism" represented by the majority of voices here is, for a myriad of reasons, simply unelectable. 

Which is why people like you embrace and push Big Government Populism/Socialism/Fascism - because THAT is where it is at, and THAT is where you feed at the taxpayer trough at Mordor on the Potomac.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2017, 09:53:35 PM »
Right... Government run health care is real "conservative"... Nowhere in the constitution is there authorization of the federal government running health insurance. Zip. Where in the constitution is the allowance of the executive branch to pick which laws it is going to enforce? Like looking the other way for the "good" illegal aliens but getting rid of the "bad" ones? The list is long of such things. It is lawless.

And how many conservatives here on this site give a crap what consenting adults do in their homes? Not many. Your "fundamentalism" claims are false. The actual conservatives on this site are for smaller government and liberty.

I don't know anyone who is advocating for government run healthcare. You must be looking for the Bernie Sanders supporters, who I assume hang out somewhere else. And I agree, conservatives on this site are generally for smaller government and liberty...I thought that was a given.

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2017, 09:56:30 PM »
IMO Trump will dump himself. He's a 70 year old guy in total chaos and strife. That can't be healthy. He could be enjoying his wealth right about now.

I mean I just don't think this is very sustainable.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2017, 09:59:39 PM »
The time to have dumped McConnell, McCain, Graham and the rest of the RINO's was a long time ago...that ship has sailed.  Who exactly would we replace them with??
Hey, if people can fantasize about dumping Trump, than I can have fantasize about dumping McConnell, McCain and Graham.

We could replace all three of them with my cat, Meow Meow Kitty.  He would do a better job and keep everybody in line.  If they don't, he'll just bite them. :silly:

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2017, 10:01:57 PM »
IMO Trump will dump himself. He's a 70 year old guy in total chaos and strife. That can't be healthy. He could be enjoying his wealth right about now.

I mean I just don't think this is very sustainable.

I think he'll tire of it too.  His affinity toward "yes folk" just doesn't play well in the political universe.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2017, 10:04:04 PM »

I'm not prone to apocalyptic political predictions and find myself almost stunned by the situation we are crashing into...we must oppose this with every non-violent means at our disposal. And I'll be honest, I'm not optimistic that we can unify sufficiently to beat a Left that is now moving in almost complete concert.

I don't think "we" (as in those of us who are, shall we say, past our college years) are going to make any real progress.  If the left is going to be beaten, it will be by the Millennials' kids or grandkids who (finally) realize that we left them with a massive, perhaps unmanagable, burden of debt and that there's just no "free" stuff left, and even if there were the price is too high.

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2017, 10:05:44 PM »
I don't know anyone who is advocating for government run healthcare.

I've never met POTUS either.

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2017, 10:10:55 PM »
This may sound like hyperbole, but we are now openly at war with the Left. They are seeking to override a fair and constitutional election because they did not like the outcome. They are using tactics from street brawling, general rioting, disruption of political rallies, radicalization of students on college campuses, and the domination of the 4th estate for purposes of propaganda and disinformation.  They are willing to sacrifice the constitution, democracy, and all of the established rules of our civil society in pursuit of seizing back power. Its a familiar determination, one that cost 100's of millions of lives in the 20th century, but it is rearing in its head now right in front of us...threatening the very fabric of the United States.

If conservatives and Republicans cannot rally together now, we are going to lose this fight and this country...and we will not win it back in our lifetimes. Remember, tyranny and oppression arise from the Left and are shrouded in self-attributed good intentions married to self delusion. We are approaching that moment where the country is going to take a paradigm shift in one direction or another...we will move sharply Left, or we will fight back this tide and hold to the constitution.

I'm not prone to apocalyptic political predictions and find myself almost stunned by the situation we are crashing into...we must oppose this with every non-violent means at our disposal. And I'll be honest, I'm not optimistic that we can unify sufficiently to beat a Left that is now moving in almost complete concert.

The left is at a historic low point, and yet we still cannot seem to get anything done. This is pretty remarkable and yet, government seems paralyzed. Some people blame Trump, some blame the GOP.  It's pretty pathetic, frankly.

Too many stupid people gumming up the works IMO.

That being said, as it is right now, I don't see people running back to the dems, not in a midterm. after 4 years of safe spaces, trans-everything, black lives matters, I don't see middle america running back into the arms of the dems, even if they don't like Trump. In 2020 however...

Also, situation could change dramatically in a year or so.
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #22 on: May 16, 2017, 10:17:21 PM »
It would be a very bad move for "Republicans" to dump Trump.  If they ever think they're going to get his voters back they are sadly mistaken.  I'd rather dump McConnell, McCain, Graham, etc. :0001:

Amen to that.  It's also a bad move for them not to support him, at least publicly.  You named four people we should dump.... there are more..  How do they keep getting elected???
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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #23 on: May 16, 2017, 10:19:46 PM »
I think it is pretty clear that train left the station and isn't coming back. Trump is just a symptom of how far gone things are. By the time the circus leaves town the GOP is going to be a laughing stock and there's going to be hell to pay as a result. GWB gave us Obama, we'll see what Trump brings us. I expect something far worse.

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Re: When Will Republicans Dump Trump?
« Reply #24 on: May 16, 2017, 10:22:36 PM »
They best not if they want to retain the power they covet.  The backlash on election day will be mighty.


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