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Re: The View Excitedly Asks Caitlyn Jenner To Run As First 'Woman President'
« Reply #100 on: April 30, 2017, 08:22:34 pm »
This theological discussion has been OK so far, and hasn't strayed into territory where the trouble starts.  But I can see how it could head that way, so I want to remind you all to not allow this to become an argument about each others' personal beliefs, OK?

Please continue! 

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« Reply #101 on: April 30, 2017, 08:37:45 pm »
It doesn't get as much publicity but if Law & Order is correct, there are also people who have a leg or arm amputated because of mental illness.
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That is Body Integrity Identity Disorder (BIID).  The person sees him/her self in his/her mind as disabled without an arm or leg and he/she won't stop until the arm or leg is gone.  I had a patient cut herself and burn herself with cigarettes because her father hanged himself in a public park and she thought she caused him to do that so she punished herself by cutting and burning.

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« Reply #102 on: April 30, 2017, 08:39:28 pm »
Thanks so much, but I do not need help in interpreting God or the Bible.  I spent most of my life in Bible classes. 

I should know better than to discuss or argue religion with you or anybody.  You think I'm wrong...  I think you're wrong.

So, go in peace to love and serve the Lord.  Thanks be to God.


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« Reply #103 on: April 30, 2017, 08:53:29 pm »
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That is Body Integrity Identity Disorder (BIID).  The person sees him/her self in his/her mind as disabled without an arm or leg and he/she won't stop until the arm or leg is gone.  I had a patient cut herself and burn herself with cigarettes because her father hanged himself in a public park and she thought she caused him to do that so she punished herself by cutting and burning.

Horrible condition.  I am also familiar with Body Dysmorphia, a condition in which a person... usually a woman, imagines minor defects on her body to be major disasters.  I had a beautiful niece with this condition.  Very sad.
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« Reply #104 on: April 30, 2017, 08:53:57 pm »
I think you ladies, (Catherine and Xena) are reaching.

You are attributing everything you can find in the Bible to Jesus in his role of son of God.

That is just ridiculous.

My original statement stands unless someone can find me an actual quote from the actual Jesus.

And I think you are wrong re: that.  The reaching is anyone that uses that "Jesus didn't mention homosexuality" shtick to bolster, prop up or help out the homosexual agenda.  Just sayin....

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« Reply #105 on: April 30, 2017, 08:56:13 pm »
And I think you are wrong re: that.  The reaching is anyone that uses that "Jesus didn't mention homosexuality" shtick to bolster, prop up or help out the homosexual agenda.  Just sayin....

It's not a shtick ... it's more like a fact.  But if I ever come back to this thread again, I hope I get hives or something.
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« Reply #106 on: April 30, 2017, 08:58:19 pm »
It's not a shtick ... it's more like a fact.  But if I ever come back to this thread again, I hope I get hives or something.

LOL!
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Re: The View Excitedly Asks Caitlyn Jenner To Run As First 'Woman President'
« Reply #107 on: April 30, 2017, 09:50:20 pm »



« Last Edit: April 30, 2017, 09:58:52 pm by Chosen Daughter »
AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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« Reply #108 on: April 30, 2017, 09:58:25 pm »
If you, or anyone, can explain to me what we can do about moral corruption, I will join you in trying.

First, we have to agree on a definition of moral corruption. 

I think marriage is a sacred institution that is in danger because a lack of commitment to marriage, a feeling that infidelity is okay and that divorce is just the next step in the evolution of one's life.

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Probably coming as a surprise to you,I am in complete agreement with all points,and IMHO it can all be boiled down to the fact that very few people today seem to have a sense of personal responsibility for anything they say or do. They say it and they did it,so it's ok. I blame the mothers of the 50's for this for teaching their offsprung that they are perfect little snowflakes in every way,and if something they do or say goes wrong,it is someone else's fault. Children don't know any better than to believe what their parents tell them,so it's not the child's fault.

As for a solution to moral problems,they MUST come from within and this sense of personal responsibility and morality starts from the time they are infants. To get back to where we as a nation and people were in the early 50's,it would first be necessary to convince the parents of today they need fewer and less expensive material  things,but they DO need one of them to stay home and raise their children,and not have it done by strangers at Day Care centers.

Good luck trying to convince the self-centered parents and children of today that they should sacrifice ANYTHING that THEY might want for the greater good of their family,community,and nation. NOTHING comes before THEM.

I think all of us with a room temperature IQ understand by now that the knee-jerk political decisions to "pass more laws" is not only ineffective,but even counter-productive. More laws just give more power to government,and the goal of governments is to be EVERYBODY's daddy. Be careful to not piss them off of they will send you to your room for a couple of decades of stale tomato sandwiches. 

I have no idea how anyone but "self" can convince people to be less selfish and more personally responsible. I doubt anyone else does,either. We (American's) originally had those core values because for the most part our ancestors had came to a new country to seek a better life,and they fully understood that no one was going to help them but themselves,so they adopted the (now,"Traditional American") values of hard work,personal honesty,personal responsibility,and community in order to survive and thrive. It worked so well the last couple of generation of Americans have been able to thrive by pretty much living off of the estates of their parents and grandparents. One day all that money will be gone,the tax bills will be due,and there will be no one around willing or able to pay them a dime on the dollar for the extravagant things they bought to impress people they don't even know. Their children damn sure aren't going to be around to help them.

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Re: The View Excitedly Asks Caitlyn Jenner To Run As First 'Woman President'
« Reply #109 on: April 30, 2017, 10:04:48 pm »
I think you ladies, (Catherine and Xena) are reaching.

You are attributing everything you can find in the Bible to Jesus in his role of son of God.

That is just ridiculous.

My original statement stands unless someone can find me an actual quote from the actual Jesus.

@Emjay

Not that it will help you a bit,but I am in complete agreement.
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« Reply #110 on: April 30, 2017, 10:14:20 pm »
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Okay, so it's reaching.  Tell us where we're wrong. 

Jesus is God in flesh, the second person of the Trinity. Is that wrong?

OK,fair enough. Prove it.

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The Bible was inspired by God, meaning God inspired men to write what they wrote. 

Once again,prove it. While you are at it,please take the time to explain why your all-powerful God couldn't have written and presented it himself.

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It's a simple logical progression. 

No,it's a matter of WHAT YOU CHOOSE TO BELIEVE. It's called "FAITH",not "FACT".

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Why and how would Jesus disagree with any part of Scripture if He, being divine, inspired it? 

And why would He have to come knock us on the head and say "In case you don't get it, I agree with the part about homosexuality, too!"  Why do you need a quote from Him unless you think there are parts of Scripture He has problems with?

WHY are you so certain that Jesus wasn't a homosexual? After all,he was always hanging around with hairy-assed men,and there is no record I am aware of that says he was ever even remotely interested in women.

BTW,I am NOT claiming that Jesus WAS a homosexual. I wasn't around then so how would I know? I am just SPECULATING that he might have been a little light in the loafers because he always lived with and hung around other men,and was never reported to have hooked up with any females.


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Re: The View Excitedly Asks Caitlyn Jenner To Run As First 'Woman President'
« Reply #111 on: April 30, 2017, 10:27:20 pm »




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« Reply #112 on: April 30, 2017, 10:35:09 pm »
There are some face-swaps that should not be done.  "Sometimes we get so hung up on 'We could' nobody asks if 'We should.'"

Your probably right.
AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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« Reply #113 on: April 30, 2017, 11:19:00 pm »
There are some face-swaps that should not be done.  "Sometimes we get so hung up on 'We could' nobody asks if 'We should.'"

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If you, or anyone, can explain to me what we can do about moral corruption, I will join you in trying.

First, we have to agree on a definition of moral corruption. 

I think marriage is a sacred institution that is in danger because a lack of commitment to marriage, a feeling that infidelity is okay and that divorce is just the next step in the evolution of one's life.

While we were discussing sin in church one day, there was a dead silence when someone mentioned divorce.  That was because there were a lot of divorces among the congregation. 

Of course Jesus never once mentioned homosexuality but he certainly had things to say about divorce. 

So, I think we are in danger of consigning moral corruption to things safely out of our purview.  Most of us will encounter very few gays in our life and almost no transsexuals.  This is all stuff we see on television.  I have a couple of gay friends, a gay niece and a gay nephew.  They are all fine, moral people. I don't think anyone wants to go back to the barbaric times when homosexuals were punished as criminals.  Or.... do they??

So.... give me your definition of moral corruption... and please do not include the mentally ill people who have some delusion that they are in the wrong body.

I know some of this has been addressed already, but I want to insert here that divorce, though specifically mentioned, does not necessarily involve the sin of both individuals.  If a person has been a faithful husband or wife and is cheated on by a spouse, then there is no sin in his or her getting divorced.

There is no question that divorce is terrible and painful, no matter the circumstances, and is clearly not in God's perfect plan for any of us, but the guilt of both parties cannot be assumed.   Many churches are engaging in more serious pre-marital counseling to prevent divorces, and there is no doubt that the problem of divorce is severe, but the circumstances vary.

As far as your greater question is concerned, there are moral absolutes in Scripture that are extremely clear. Adultery, sex outside of marriage, homosexuality, bestiality, etc.  When a society abandons its moral standards, as America has done (due in large part to the "sexual revolution" of the 60's), it is destroying itself from within.   (As a matter of fact, the problem of divorce has been greatly exacerbated by the "free love" movement, increased adultery, sex before marriage, pornography, etc.).

Your gotcha question about Jesus' not talking about homosexuality has been addressed.   If you believe in the Trinity, and if you believe that the Bible is God's inspired word, then you also believe that everything in Scripture condemning homosexuality, is directly from Jesus, the Son, and part of the Godhead.   We don't have Jesus' words condemning bestiality or incest either, but I have rarely heard the argument from anyone that Jesus must approve of those sins because He didn't mention them.

At any rate, I don't think you really want an answer to what is morality, because you have rejected it from everyone who has given you an answer.

This is (hopefully) my last response to you on this subject, because I get the sense that you are baiting and not asking out of a genuine interest in my response.......... which I am sure you will reject with your characteristic sarcasm.
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