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Poll: Majority of Americans wants to keep, fix ObamaCare
« on: April 25, 2017, 12:09:22 pm »
Poll: Majority of Americans wants to keep, fix ObamaCare
By Brooke Seipel - 04/25/17 07:55 AM EDT

A majority of Americans wants lawmakers to keep and fix ObamaCare rather than replace it with a Republican alternative, according to a new poll.

The ABC/Washington Post poll found that 61 percent of voters want ObamaCare fixed instead of repealed and replaced.

Seventy-nine percent said President Trump should make ObamaCare work instead of letting it fail, as he has previously threatened.

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Re: Poll: Majority of Americans wants to keep, fix ObamaCare
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2017, 12:35:01 pm »
The tone-deaf will ignore this.
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Re: Poll: Majority of Americans wants to keep, fix ObamaCare
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2017, 12:39:02 pm »
The tone-deaf will ignore this.
No, the first question is "Where was this study conducted?" followed by "What are the demographics of the group?", and trailed by "What political affiliations are present in what quantity?"

Of course, the way the questions were worded could make a difference, too.

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Re: Poll: Majority of Americans wants to keep, fix ObamaCare
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2017, 02:10:23 pm »
They didn't want to keep it when Obama actually was President. Why the change?

It couldn't be that conservatives lost control of the message AGAIN, could it?
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Re: Poll: Majority of Americans wants to keep, fix ObamaCare
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2017, 02:15:05 pm »
I would really like to know how the "survey" was worded and at what time of day people were questioned.  It is a WaPo survey, after all, and that automatically makes it suspect. :pondering:

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Re: Poll: Majority of Americans wants to keep, fix ObamaCare
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2017, 02:16:25 pm »
Polls :3:
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Re: Poll: Majority of Americans wants to keep, fix ObamaCare
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2017, 02:17:58 pm »
First, the GOP doesn't have a replacement plan, so there was nothing for people being polled to support. Secondly WaPo and ABC have an agenda. They are radical Leftists.

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Re: Poll: Majority of Americans wants to keep, fix ObamaCare
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2017, 02:32:14 pm »
The tone-deaf will ignore this.

Everyone should ignore it because it is based on a completely undefined premise - to "fix" Obamacare.  We have no idea what people even meant when they wanted to "fix" ObamaCare.  Absent specifics, the poll results tell us nothing of value.

What does "fix" mean?  Cover more people?  Make policies cheaper?  Lower co-pays and deductibles?  And all without raising taxes, presumably....

ObamaCare cannot be "fixed" without a massive infusion of taxpayer funds, and I'm betting that if they'd included that in the question, the poll results would have been quite different....



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Re: Poll: Majority of Americans wants to keep, fix ObamaCare
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2017, 02:40:46 pm »
Everyone should ignore it because it is based on a completely undefined premise - to "fix" Obamacare.  We have no idea what people even meant when they wanted to "fix" ObamaCare.  Absent specifics, the poll results tell us nothing of value.

What does "fix" mean?  Cover more people?  Make policies cheaper?  Lower co-pays and deductibles?  And all without raising taxes, presumably....

ObamaCare cannot be "fixed" without a massive infusion of taxpayer funds, and I'm betting that if they'd included that in the question, the poll results would have been quite different....

Attempting to drive public opinions rather than measure them!
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Re: Poll: Majority of Americans wants to keep, fix ObamaCare
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2017, 02:48:20 pm »


Of course, the way the questions were worded could make a difference, too.
Do you mean like "Do you want to fix the wrecked car that's lying upside down in the ditch or do you want a brand new car?"
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Re: Poll: Majority of Americans wants to keep, fix ObamaCare
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2017, 02:50:59 pm »
I would really like to know how the "survey" was worded and at what time of day people were questioned.  It is a WaPo survey, after all, and that automatically makes it suspect. :pondering:
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Re: Poll: Majority of Americans wants to keep, fix ObamaCare
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2017, 02:57:26 pm »
Not a bad thing. Keep the Obamacare name, scrap the whole damn thing. There, "fixed".

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Re: Poll: Majority of Americans wants to keep, fix ObamaCare
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2017, 03:00:29 pm »
Not a bad thing. Keep the Obamacare name, scrap the whole damn thing. There, "fixed".

When someone shows me the word or phrase in the Constitution which would allow the Federal government to become a purveyor of health insurance we can talk! Otherwise, it's a no go!
 
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Re: Poll: Majority of Americans wants to keep, fix ObamaCare
« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2017, 03:02:40 pm »
The tone-deaf will ignore this.

While the statists will find it politically convenient.

Either way its still yellow journalism.
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Re: Poll: Majority of Americans wants to keep, fix ObamaCare
« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2017, 03:05:35 pm »
When someone shows me the word or phrase in the Constitution which would allow the Federal government to become a purveyor of health insurance we can talk! Otherwise, it's a no go!

Go yell at John Roberts!

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Re: Poll: Majority of Americans wants to keep, fix ObamaCare
« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2017, 05:03:37 pm »
A majority of Americans wants lawmakers to keep and fix ObamaCare rather than replace it with a Republican alternative, according to a new poll.

The Republican alternative IS to keep and fix Obamacare.
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Re: Poll: Majority of Americans wants to keep, fix ObamaCare
« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2017, 09:33:41 pm »
Do you mean like "Do you want to fix the wrecked car that's lying upside down in the ditch or do you want a brand new car?"
More like: Do you want this fine jalopy which gets 7 miles to the gallon, can't drag it's own shadow on a sunny day, and changes its own oil (provided you add 5 quarts) every 300 miles with the included mosquito fogging option, or do you want to walk? Uphill. Barefoot. Through knee deep snow....
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Re: Poll: Majority of Americans wants to keep, fix ObamaCare
« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2017, 09:36:34 pm »
Go yell at John Roberts!
The only reason to keep his name in the history books is so it can be treated on the same level as Benedict Arnold, imho.
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Re: Poll: Majority of Americans wants to keep, fix ObamaCare
« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2017, 09:51:17 pm »
I doubt it very much.

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« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2017, 09:52:06 pm »
Now I thought a major reason Trump and the other Republicans were elected was because of their promise to REPEAL Obamacare.  So how can it be that, according to this poll, so many want to keep Obamacare? 

Not that it matters.   Looks like Trump and the others lied about repeal and are planning to keep Obamacare with a few cosmetic changes.

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Re: Poll: Majority of Americans wants to keep, fix ObamaCare
« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2017, 10:47:58 pm »
Trump and Ryan have saved ObamaCare

should we congratulate them?

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Re: Poll: Majority of Americans wants to keep, fix ObamaCare
« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2017, 10:50:04 pm »
Now I thought a major reason Trump and the other Republicans were elected was because of their promise to REPEAL Obamacare.  So how can it be that, according to this poll, so many want to keep Obamacare? 

Not that it matters.   Looks like Trump and the others lied about repeal and are planning to keep Obamacare with a few cosmetic changes.
The key words are "according to this poll"

All that need be done by the pollsters is to ask questions like "Should Obamacare be fixed, or should grandmas and little children be left to die on street corners?"

It's all in what is asked and how it is asked to push the results where the liberal newsters want them.
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Re: Poll: Majority of Americans wants to keep, fix ObamaCare
« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2017, 02:46:06 am »
Before one accepts the results of this poll, consider who commissioned it...