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Even if he did it well, it is merely a few cases of which he is not privy to all of the information.

"Scientists" have been working very hard to prove their leftist agenda, and yet have failed.  It is an effort to blame God (it's been done by liberals even on this board) for homosexuality, and for those who don't believe in God, an effort to prove that it is "normal" because it's inborn.

What IS inborn, in every single one of us, is a bent to sinning, and each of us need to work on NOT doing what is Scripturally forbidden.   Not just homosexuality (which is in as bold letters as any sin is), but other forms of lust, lying, gossip, hatred, sinful anger, theft, selfishness, greed, and every other form of sin.

"For ALL have sinned and come short of the Glory of God."   Thankfully, we have a Savior, who took our sins on Himself, so that we don't have to be burdened with them.   (I know you believe this, and it isn't intended as a sermon to you.... just a conclusion to my thoughts here).

Yes, scientists are human too and sometimes do things that are not scientific, such as twisting science to fit their ideology. 

But, what difference does it make whether homosexuality is genetic, congenital or environmentally induced?  If we genuinely accept that people with homosexual tendencies are children of God just as we are, what does it matter where the behavior comes from?

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Yes, scientists are human too and sometimes do things that are not scientific, such as twisting science to fit their ideology. 

But, what difference does it make whether homosexuality is genetic, congenital or environmentally induced?  If we genuinely accept that people with homosexual tendencies are children of God just as we are, what does it matter where the behavior comes from?

Apparently, it matters to some people.  Please, God, let me never be tempted to come to this thread again.
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Yes, scientists are human too and sometimes do things that are not scientific, such as twisting science to fit their ideology. 

But, what difference does it make whether homosexuality is genetic, congenital or environmentally induced?  If we genuinely accept that people with homosexual tendencies are children of God just as we are, what does it matter where the behavior comes from?

That's a question that needs to be asked to the leftists who have had the apparent need to "prove" that it's just the way people are in order to normalize aberrant behavior and make it socially acceptable.

Until scientists tried to change what was understood by science and religion alike...... that homosexuality was, indeed, not "normal," we didn't have this issue.

It is the left who has made this a front and center issue.  They're the ones who have tried to prove it matters where the behavior comes from.

And no one has ever tried to say that homosexuals weren't children of God, just as we are.  As a matter of fact, it's been the Christians who have continued to make the point that they are sinners, just as we are.  (I have made that point multiple times here).  NO one has suggested that homosexuals be treated with anything but respect and love, as we are commanded to do with all other humans.

The problem is what this article is about, and what other threads have been about......... that the leftists, such as this teacher, is discriminating openly against Christians by banning Crosses, while promoting the leftist LGBT agenda.  It is leftists who have forced homosexual "marriage" by changing the centuries old definition of marriage, and forced the states, by removing the rights given to them in the Constitution, to obey laws they had no right to enact.

The left is the problem here.  Not those of us who are reacting AGAINST their activism.
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Yes, scientists are human too and sometimes do things that are not scientific, such as twisting science to fit their ideology. 

But, what difference does it make whether homosexuality is genetic, congenital or environmentally induced?  If we genuinely accept that people with homosexual tendencies are children of God just as we are, what does it matter where the behavior comes from?

I'd just like to know why seemingly everyone thinks the cause is one thing or another.  As if there can only be ONE cause for the desire.
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That's a question that needs to be asked to the leftists who have had the apparent need to "prove" that it's just the way people are in order to normalize aberrant behavior and make it socially acceptable.

Until scientists tried to change what was understood by science and religion alike...... that homosexuality was, indeed, not "normal," we didn't have this issue.

It is the left who has made this a front and center issue.  They're the ones who have tried to prove it matters where the behavior comes from.

And no one has ever tried to say that homosexuals weren't children of God, just as we are.  As a matter of fact, it's been the Christians who have continued to make the point that they are sinners, just as we are.  (I have made that point multiple times here).  NO one has suggested that homosexuals be treated with anything but respect and love, as we are commanded to do with all other humans.

The problem is what this article is about, and what other threads have been about......... that the leftists, such as this teacher, is discriminating openly against Christians by banning Crosses, while promoting the leftist LGBT agenda.  It is leftists who have forced homosexual "marriage" by changing the centuries old definition of marriage, and forced the states, by removing the rights given to them in the Constitution, to obey laws they had no right to enact.

The left is the problem here.  Not those of us who are reacting AGAINST their activism.

I think that's wrong, @musiclady.  I think some of us on the right can be every bit as wrong - in the other direction of course. 

And, yes, I had totally forgotten what this article was about and was just talking about our fellow humans.

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One thing I learned years ago from a dear friend in children's services, is that you can't know what's going on inside a family from what things seem to be to outsiders.  The families that seem to be "functional" may just be hiding abuse, and it's certainly not something they reveal at family picnics or Thanksgiving dinners.

At any rate, mirraflake's examples are all anecdotal, and the fact of the matter is that there is no scientific proof for homosexuality's being genetic.



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Do you really want to go down this road?

 I recall a certain conversation with you when I said wives do not know if their husbands watch porn or not and there is a reason computers have browsing history delete and you said Godly husbands don't view porn.

Yes, you are 100% right. No one knows in both of our ancedontal examples. You don't know for 100% fact and neither do I.

I do know we had the conversation with the gays in question, my wife and I know them very well-nown them for 55 years and 35+ years, they know we are not anti gay or anti marriage which would skew their answer. None of them said they were abused ever. Yes, many gays have been abused but most have not.

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People here who are determined to view homosexuality as evil, i.e. 'something they could not be if they would just try and be good people.'

Those people do not believe in scientific studies and they apparently don't believe in anecdotal evidence.

What they are sorely lacking is common sense.
Science would tell us that the alimentary canal is a one-way street, and not intended to be a sex organ.
Science would tell us that there are a large number of diseases, many of them potentially fatal which can be readily transmitted, by using anatomical parts as they were not designed.

Common sense would tell us that the amount of pathogenic transfer by some of the more mundane homosexual behaviour isn't healthy, and some of the more extreme coprophillic and other fetishistic behaviour is downright UNhealthy.

Compassion would dictate instead of condoning or promoting those behaviours, they would be discouraged, just as we teach young children not to play with fire.  If we won't teach schoolkids how to burn things, why would we need to teach them sexual behaviours which science would contraindicate as unhealthy?

Although homosexual behaviour isn't the sole means of transmission, it is largely responsible for the AIDS/HIV infection which affects 1.3 Million Americans alone, and common sense would dictate discouraging the behaviour which leads to the spread of a lethal disease which will cost between $600,000 and $750,000 per patient over their lifetimes (That's a trillion dollar bill for the rest of us, and there are new cases every day).

I'm not seeing a hell of a lot of common sense. I'm not seeing a hell of a lot of scientific thought. And I'm not seeing a hell of a lot of compassion, for the people who aren't homosexuals who are affected, nor the ones who are and are affected.

We'd have quarantined those affected with lethal communicable diseases in the past, but that was not done 'out of compassion' --in fact, the bath houses where the disease really got launched were not even shut down.

You don't let your kid play with matches just because they want to and think fire is pretty.
No one thinks letting them, much less encouraging them, to do so would be 'compassionate'.
We heartily discourage playing with fire instead. Why are there sex ed classes teaching people about anatomically damaging sexual practices?
We aren't so 'compassionate' toward pyromaniacs. They aren't a protected class, they don't get to have 'pride' days and promote their stuff in schools and media. They don't get to shut down bakers and florists and wedding venues with an 'If I can't have my way I'll ruin it for everyone' vindictiveness.

And pyromaniacs aren't even mentioned in the Bible.
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I think that's wrong, @musiclady.  I think some of us on the right can be every bit as wrong - in the other direction of course. 

And, yes, I had totally forgotten what this article was about and was just talking about our fellow humans.

The error is in thinking that recognizing that the behavior is wrong means that we don't love or care for the people who are committing the sins.

I'm sure you are aware of all the Christian organizations that help people who have problems with drugs or alcohol, or have had abortions. It is possible, and the only Christian position to have, to love people without accepting their sin.

We do it with ourselves.  Why not others?
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Science would tell us that the alimentary canal is a one-way street, and not intended to be a sex organ.
Science would tell us that there are a large number of diseases, many of them potentially fatal which can be readily transmitted, by using anatomical parts as they were not designed.

Common sense would tell us that the amount of pathogenic transfer by some of the more mundane homosexual behaviour isn't healthy, and some of the more extreme coprophillic and other fetishistic behaviour is downright UNhealthy.



Do you smoke Smokin Joe? Because  lungs were not designed to  inhale from smokes. Smoking is one of the very worst things you can do to your body yet billions of people worldwide smoke. Billions are obese and eat themselves do death.

Smoking and obesity are the two largest reason why are health insurance cost so much.

Some people indulge in gay sex where they might possibly get Aids. Some people smoke and are obese which leads to a early death or poor quality of life in nearly all cases.

The Bible says something about your body being a temple and gluttony as sins.

You say gays or liberals pick and chose from the  Bible but so do many Christians.

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Do you smoke Smokin Joe? Because  lungs were not designed to  inhale from smokes. Smoking is one of the very worst things you can do to your body yet billions of people worldwide smoke. Billions are obese and eat themselves do death.

Smoking and obesity are the two largest reason why are health insurance cost so much.

Some people indulge in gay sex where they might possibly get Aids. Some people smoke and are obese which leads to a early death or poor quality of life in nearly all cases.

The Bible says something about your body being a temple and gluttony as sins.

You say gays or liberals pick and chose from the  Bible but so do many Christians.

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I was a smoker, but I quit. The nickname came from an atmospheric quirk when I was a fireman. I came out of the building (where it was decidedly hot) and I was soaked, into very cold air, and had a cloud steaming off of me as a result. One of the guys on the crew who was outside saw me backlit by the circle-D's and said it looked like I was smoking all over. The handle stuck.

Funny thing, though, the State I live in has a well funded (46 million in the bank) organization which puts ads all over television telling me not to smoke. I paid extra, as a cigarette smoker, for life, health, even auto insurance. I was kicked out of buildings for smoking, told to stay at least 50 feet from the entrance. There are signs all over which say "no smoking", especially in the oil industry.

Put up even one sign, run even one ad telling people "no homosexuality allowed" and watch the race to file lawsuits.
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Do you smoke Smokin Joe? Because  lungs were not designed to  inhale from smokes. Smoking is one of the very worst things you can do to your body yet billions of people worldwide smoke. Billions are obese and eat themselves do death.

Smoking and obesity are the two largest reason why are health insurance cost so much.

Some people indulge in gay sex where they might possibly get Aids. Some people smoke and are obese which leads to a early death or poor quality of life in nearly all cases.

The Bible says something about your body being a temple and gluttony as sins.

You say gays or liberals pick and chose from the  Bible but so do many Christians.


While the body is the temple of the Holy Spirit and we should not defile it - the bible is pretty clear in terms of those things permissible and those things which are forbidden and sinful.  There is no specific command not to smoke or inhale things that cause mind altering effects - and we can only glean from the scriptures about admonitions against drunkeness as a guide to where the boundaries would lie as to whether behavior was simply unwise or abjectly sinful.  While wine and strong drink are permissible and even encouraged in scripture - addiction, alcoholism and gluttony indulgences that make such inebriations an idol are sinful.

Sexual immorality, homosexuality and adultery are specifically listed, named and repeated throughout scripture as sin, abomination and wickedness.  Equating those behaviors with smoking is not biblical in terms of sin as God defines it.

But if smoking becomes an idol and all your time is spent satisfying your need for a nicotine fix - it would fit within the same category of drunkenness that scripture declares sinful.
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Go on nearly any conservative site and the anti gay/anti gay marriage threads are about 15 to 1 over adultery and fornication...maybe even higher

For 2% of the population there sure is a lot of hand wringing  among Christians

Adultery and sex out of wedlock has  hurt marriage and this country more than gays or gay marriage ever will just as gluttony(obesity) which is a mortal sin have hurt this country more than Aids ever will. Seen to many anti gay conservatives who are on their 2nd or 3rd marriage.

I'm done  we all know each others views.
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Compassion would dictate instead of condoning or promoting those behaviours, they would be discouraged, just as we teach young children not to play with fire.  If we won't teach schoolkids how to burn things, why would we need to teach them sexual behaviours which science would contraindicate as unhealthy?

Science would tell us that the human body isn't designed to go 60 mph.  Common sense would tell us that an accident at that speed would be very dangerous.

Compassion would dictate that instead of condoning getting into a car, it should be discouraged.

By your logic, I mean.

But despite tens of thousands of people getting killed each year....tens of thousands!... we encourage people to take measures to do it more safely instead of attacking the activity itself.

Are we monsters?
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I'd just like to know why seemingly everyone thinks the cause is one thing or another.  As if there can only be ONE cause for the desire.

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You're not alone, if that's what you believe.  I believe the evidence points toward more than one etiology.

It appears that there's a congenital component that causes someone to have that preference.  It also might be possible that there's a genetic or congenital component that makes an abuse sufferer more susceptible to it having that result.

Another disturbing thing is that it seems few recognize the multiple definitions of "normal", and perhaps the use of "normative" should be more widespread to prevent confusion.  Someone who enjoys carving egg shells is not "normal" in the normative sense, but not being normal doesn't mean something is pathological.  A small percentage of bees don't gather pollen, but instead just fly out and "explore"...they aren't "normal".  But remove them from the hive, and the hive doesn't know where to go when a location is threatened -- without them, bees would go extinct.



In fact, science is showing how homosexuality might be evolutionarily advantageous.  Generations of offspring tend to be more successful when there are non-reproducing members of the parent generation.  These uncles and aunts are able to devote resources and attention to the fewer offspring, rather than the resources being dispersed among a larger number of offspring.  [I wish I had the citations handy but at least one study was done on wolves.]  It would make sense that this might have been a factor in human evolution, too.  Note that a portion of the uncle/aunt genes would be transmitted via their supported sibling, so it's an example of "selfish altruism".


Of course, this is all separate from the teacher banning the cross and promoting a political agendum in the classroom.  That behavior is obviously wrong.
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Do you really want to go down this road?

 I recall a certain conversation with you when I said wives do not know if their husbands watch porn or not and there is a reason computers have browsing history delete and you said Godly husbands don't view porn.

Yes, you are 100% right. No one knows in both of our ancedontal examples. You don't know for 100% fact and neither do I.

I do know we had the conversation with the gays in question, my wife and I know them very well-nown them for 55 years and 35+ years, they know we are not anti gay or anti marriage which would skew their answer. None of them said they were abused ever. Yes, many gays have been abused but most have not.

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Actually, I could care less what excuse or reason your gay friends have for being homosexuals.  What I do care about is the push by the LGBT community to accept them as normal and their encroachment on the Christian community expecting us to give up our religious beliefs to accommodate their abnormality and their abomination against those who refuse to accept their way of life. IMHO they are free to live their lives, but they have NO right to expect me to accept their immoral behavior and change my religious beliefs.

Yes, the left has pushed for LGBT rights.  The left has pushed for abortion rights.  The left is pushing for Islam/Muslim refugees.  The left has pushed for sanctuary cities.  The left has pushed for illegal immigration.  The left is discriminating against Christianity.  It is the left pushing political correctness down our throats and they ARE destroying our country.
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@musiclady

Do you really want to go down this road?

 I recall a certain conversation with you when I said wives do not know if their husbands watch porn or not and there is a reason computers have browsing history delete and you said Godly husbands don't view porn.


@Sanguine

You really don't want to go back to that "conversation" where you accused my husband of being a lying pervert and accused me of being too stupid to know the difference, do you?

It was in that "conversation" where you revealed your need to brag about how debauched you were, and accuse everyone who said there were men who didn't allow themselves to go down the road to perversion and who didn't degrade and debase women, of having their "heads in the sand."

You just don't want to go there, @mirraflake.    Now stop pinging me unless you have something to talk about other than the defense of sin and the mockery of those who seek to be Godly.

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Actually, I could care less what excuse or reason your gay friends have for being homosexuals.  What I do care about is the push by the LGBT community to accept them as normal and their encroachment on the Christian community expecting us to give up our religious beliefs to accommodate their abnormality and their abomination against those who refuse to accept their way of life. IMHO they are free to live their lives, but they have NO right to expect me to accept their immoral behavior and change my religious beliefs.

Yes, the left has pushed for LGBT rights.  The left has pushed for abortion rights.  The left is pushing for Islam/Muslim refugees.  The left has pushed for sanctuary cities.  The left has pushed for illegal immigration.  The left is discriminating against Christianity.  It is the left pushing political correctness down our throats and they ARE destroying our country.

That is the crux of the matter here, and the subject of this thread.

The LGBT "community" is seeking to impose their will on the majority by removing the rights of the majority.

The left is doing irreparable damage to this country by forcing their distortions on us.

This teacher is but one example of thousands.
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Science would tell us that the human body isn't designed to go 60 mph.  Common sense would tell us that an accident at that speed would be very dangerous.

Compassion would dictate that instead of condoning getting into a car, it should be discouraged.

By your logic, I mean.

But despite tens of thousands of people getting killed each year....tens of thousands!... we encourage people to take measures to do it more safely instead of attacking the activity itself.

Are we monsters?
You missed my logic completely, and threw up a strawman.

Science has shown us that the human body can go in excess of 17000 miles per hour and with the proper accessories and precautions, survival is quite likely.

It isn't the velocity that is the problem; it is colliding with other objects and bodies which are in a fixed position or in motion on a different vector which causes the damage.

In fact we not only spend fortunes on an increasing array of devices to help prevent those collisions, and to mitigate their effects when they do happen. For most of my lifetime we have been bombarded with educational broadcasts designed to get people to use those devices, and to not engage in activities which make collisions more likely. For example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WYWOc4L9_0

We educate our children to not engage in those collisions.

We even have people who are paid, when they find people engaging in those reckless behaviours which are more likely to lead to a collision, will stop them and fine them under the law.
 
As I said, we discourage other harmful behaviour. We even pass laws against it. Even when 20% or more do it (tobacco smoking) regularly.

Unless they are part of the 1-2%. There really is no parallel between transportation accidents and using a rectum as a vagina, all jokes about being 'rear ended' aside. Nor are car wrecks spreading the disease that will cost the rest of us over a trillion dollars, just for those currently infected, and will destroy the health care system in this country.
If Barrack Obama had grabbed a trillion dollars out of the CR and said it's to pay for gays to get medical care for HIV/AIDS and we're taking it from you, Mr. and Mrs. (straight) Taxpayer, there would have been a revolt. Instead, in collusion with Pelosi and the Democrats in the House and Senate, they crafted a mucked up leviathan of a "healthcare" bill to "Insure the uninsurable and provide health care for all" Of course, the uninsurable thy showed you were children with cancer, not the Folsum Street Fair, and they made it look like everyone who wants freebies was going to get something for nothing. Sandra Fluke was going to get free fifty cent condoms. Women's 'health' was going to be covered, whether you needed it or not, dammit! (Ask a bunch of elderly nuns about that one). And if you were poor (and already on medicaid) the Government was going to issue you subsidies and get you on board. And if you were nasty straight middle-class white people you would either pay up 28K a year for your health "care" or do without insurance and be fined for the privilege.
It was shoved up our ass (funny how that has always been a description of an undesirable outcome) by the Democrats and upheld after some truly unprecedented departures from jurisprudence (Roberts re-writing law) by a SCOTUS surrounded by K-street et al in one of the most homosexually saturated areas outside San Francisco and Hawaii.
Source:https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/press-releases/lgbt-percentages-highest-in-washington-dc-and-hawaii/

This isn't some simple fender bender, we're talking about. It is the reallocation and redistribution of wealth of a whole country to a very small percentage who is suffering from a self-inflicted wound, and we can't even counsel against the practices, but instead are repeatedly told we have to "celebrate" them.

We don't "celebrate" driving like an idiot, we don't celebrate playing with explosives in the general population, in fact, even tobacco smokers are treated like second class citizens and charged more for their health insurance, despite many tobacco consumers living well into their 80s and beyond, and paying extra for everything from health, fire, life, and auto insurance.
But don't try to charge a homosexual more for insurance based on their behaviour. The question doesn't even get asked, despite the risks. If two percent of the US population is homosexual that's 6.6 million people. If only half of the 1.3 million AIDS/HIV patients acquired it through homosexual behaviour, the rate is 1000/10,000 of that population. Epidemiologically, that is huge, there still is no cure, and treatment will cost between $600,000 and $750,000 per patient over their remaining lifetime.

If similar numbers of licensed drivers in the US were to be involved in accidents, of 214 million drivers, there would be 21.4 million fatal or disabling accidents.
There are estimated to be roughly half that number of accidents of all severities, with roughly 5 million reported to police, and with roughly 1.5 million injuries, most of which are minor. Not all would have a fatal prognosis (actually, only about 37,000 annually). Those fatalities represent about 18/100000 of licensed drivers. But we don't tolerate (much less "celebrate") that, either, and instead do what we can to discourage the sort of behaviour that leads to that relatively small number of deaths.
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Go on nearly any conservative site and the anti gay/anti gay marriage threads are about 15 to 1 over adultery and fornication...maybe even higher

For 2% of the population there sure is a lot of hand wringing  among Christians

Adultery and sex out of wedlock has  hurt marriage and this country more than gays or gay marriage ever will just as gluttony(obesity) which is a mortal sin have hurt this country more than Aids ever will. Seen to many anti gay conservatives who are on their 2nd or 3rd marriage.

I'm done  we all know each others views.

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@musiclady

None of them said they were abused ever. Yes, many gays have been abused but most have not.

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Well,  40% isn't a majority,  that's true. 

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Well,  40% isn't a majority,  that's true.

He's also leaving out that I included "neglected" in with abused.

There are boys who need their Dad around, and growing up without one, or with one who just ignores them can create a need in some to have male attention........ of any kind.

There are usually psychological causes for aberrations from normality, and ignoring that isn't a very strong case for "science."
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Some people indulge in gay sex where they might possibly get Aids. Some people smoke and are obese which leads to a early death or poor quality of life in nearly all cases.

Yes,  smoking and risky homosexual butt sex are exactly alike.

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Nevertheless, the current PHS allocation of about $1.6 billion for AIDS research and education higher than that allocated for any other cause of death. In 1990, the CDC will spend $10,000 on prevention and education for each AIDS sufferer as opposed to $185 for each victim of cancer and a mere $3.50 or each cardiac patient.

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Go on nearly any conservative site and the anti gay/anti gay marriage threads are about 15 to 1 over adultery and fornication...maybe even higher



I don't think the adulterers and fornicators make a habit of getting in people's faces and screaming at them about how they need to be accepted for their sexual proclivities.   


They also don't demand to indoctrinate everyone regarding adultery and fornication.   They also don't demand Federal and State government expenditures to clean up the diseased mess they create by their adultery and fornication.   


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He's also leaving out that I included "neglected" in with abused.

There are boys who need their Dad around, and growing up without one, or with one who just ignores them can create a need in some to have male attention........ of any kind.

There are usually psychological causes for aberrations from normality, and ignoring that isn't a very strong case for "science."


Yes,   "dominating mothers"  seems to be a factor in a lot of homosexual men.   There are probably numerous components to some people going in that direction.   
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Yes,   "dominating mothers"  seems to be a factor in a lot of homosexual men.   There are probably numerous components to some people going in that direction.

I'm sure there are.  And it's not likely that someone casually observing a family from the outside would have a clue as to which of those components were involved in a child's turn away from normalcy.
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

"Sometimes I think the Church would be better off if we would call a moratorium on activity for about six weeks and just wait on God to see what He is waiting to do for us. That's what they did before Pentecost."   - A. W. Tozer

Use the time God is giving us to seek His will and feel His presence.