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What Potential Does the Moon Hold for Mining?
« on: April 19, 2017, 01:09:12 pm »
australiaunwrapped.com by Dave Peterson 3/20/2017

What Potential Does the Moon Hold for Mining? – When experts speak of resources running out, what is often meant is the economic viability of the resource. This means that as long as mining the resource isn’t an economic net loss, it’s usable.

Let’s take a theoretical example. Let’s assume that uranium on earth gets overused for a few decades. Over time, this overuse will lead to it slowly becoming scarce. Thus, the locations available to mine will be scarce. There will be competition over such areas.

The competition means that mining costs will be higher (contract bids for the area). As competition over what is left increases, the mining costs increase, up until mining leads to a net loss.

This is when the mineral is considered as having “run out”.

It’s about the costs, and is the reason why mining utility metals on the moon is difficult. Iron for example is really cheap to mine on earth, but very expensive to mine on the moon.

You’d go broke digging iron on a lunar expedition.

This forces us to seek only minerals whose costs and rarity justify their mining. We’ll be listing some of those minerals for you below.

But first, there’s a small issue we want to touch on for moon mining…
How easy is it to Build Mining Facilities on the Moon?

What Potential Does the Moon Hold for Mining?The simple reply is, it’s not. When building a mining facility, you’ve got 2 options. You’re either:

    Going to launch the facilities (buildings and all) into space (or)
    You’re building the facilities on the moon from scratch

Launching facilities to the moon is too expensive. You’re not just sending over some drills to the moon. You’re sending structures that will take up hundreds of square kilometers in space.

You’ll also need manpower to build those structures (unless they’re premade on earth). We touched on the issue of manpower in a previous article.

Thus, you’re best bet is to build the structure on the moon yourself. While you’ll need sustainable manpower there, it’s definitely a lot easier to do. Also, the material needed to build and power mining facilities are already abundant on the moon.
Iron and Silicon to Create Moon Facilities. What Potential Does the Moon Hold for Mining?

Iron on the moon can be used to fashion steel for the buildings and tools. It’s pretty simple to do on the moon.

Silicon on the other hand will be used to create electricity. The moon after all does receive sunlight on a constant basis. Silicon has actually been heavily encouraged for lunar electricity production in NASA, as far back as the 1980s (1).

Solar energy is perfect for lunar activities. Not only is it easier to install, it is also clean. This is unlike nuclear energy, which is dangerous, requires a lot of precautions, and needs never-ending supervision and manning.

It is also cheaper to use solar power. Nuclear energy, if mined on the moon, will mostly be transported back to Earth for use. It would be counterintuitive to mine nuclear energy on the moon, simply to exhaust it there right after.

Oh, and speaking of nuclear energy…
Nuclear Energy and Rare Metals: The Mission of the Moon. What Potential Does the Moon Hold for Mining?

What Potential Does the Moon Hold for Mining?There are only 2 mineral types of value to be mined on the moon. The first would be radioactive minerals for nuclear energy. The second would be platinum-group elements, which are already rare naturally.
Nuclear Energy. What Potential Does the Moon Hold for Mining?

The most looked at nuclear forms of energy are Helium-3 and Uranium. Uranium unfortunately is not that abundant on the moon (2). It is too scarce on the moon to justify the costs of mining it.

The 2nd energy mineral is Helium-3. Helium-3 is actually a rare isotope of helium, which is released from solar sources into air (sun specifically). Helium-3 is in abundance on the moon’s surface, and is estimated to have the energy capacity of oil by a large magnitude.

Unfortunately, helium-3 is difficult to find on the surface of the earth. It is difficult to find, due to our planet’s magnetic field which deflect the particles away. A lot of those deflected particles happen to land on the moon. Over millions of years of the earth’s magnetic field have led to high levels of the mineral on the moon.

The difference between Earth and moon in helium-3 is actually drastic. It is estimated that while earth has 15 tons of helium-3, the moon has between 1-5 million in reserves (4).

On a global level, mining helium-3 seems to be a core energy goal. With non-renewable resources running low, humanity is chasing after helium-3 resources on the moon. For example, countries like China are focusing their space missions on getting helium-3 samples

More: http://www.australiaunwrapped.com/2017/03/20/what-potential-does-the-moon-hold-for-mining/

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Re: What Potential Does the Moon Hold for Mining?
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2017, 01:20:30 pm »
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Solar energy is perfect for lunar activities. Not only is it easier to install, it is also clean. This is unlike nuclear energy, which is dangerous, requires a lot of precautions, and needs never-ending supervision and manning.

I wouldn't worry too much about the danger of nuclear on the moon which is already a high radiation environment. The real problem is that nuclear doesn't create electricity directly like solar. Nuclear requires water and turbines.

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« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2017, 01:32:16 pm »
Mining Helium-3 on the Moon   http://www.explainingthefuture.com/helium3.html

One of many problems associated with using helium-3 to create energy via nuclear fusion is that, at least on the Earth, helium-3 is very, very rare indeed. Helium-3 is produced as a by-product of the maintenance of nuclear weapons, which could net a supply of around 15Kg a year. Helium-3 is, however, emitted by the Sun within its solar winds. Our atmosphere prevents any of this helium-3 arriving on the Earth. However, as it does not have an atmosphere, there is nothing to stop helium-3 arriving on the surface of the Moon and being absorbed by the lunar soil. As a result, it has been estimated that there are around 1,100,000 metric tonnes of helium-3 on the surface of the Moon down to a depth of a few metres. This helium-3 could potentially be extracted by heating the lunar dust to around 600 degrees C, before bringing it back to the Earth to fuel a new generation of nuclear fusion power plants.

As reported in an Artemis Project paper:http://www.asi.org/adb/02/09/he3-intro.html, about 25 tonnes of helium-3 -- or a fully-loaded Space Shuttle cargo bay's worth -- could power the United States for a year. This means that helium-3 has a potential economic value in the order of $3bn a tonne -- making it the only thing remotely economically viable to consider mining from the Moon given current and likely-near-future space travel technologies and capabilities.

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Re: What Potential Does the Moon Hold for Mining?
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2017, 01:49:56 pm »
Mining iron on the moon would be pointless. The entire mantle of the earth is nearly all iron. It's not like we have a shortage of iron.

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« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2017, 01:59:25 pm »
Mining Helium-3 on the Moon   http://www.explainingthefuture.com/helium3.html
 This helium-3 could potentially be extracted by heating the lunar dust to around 600 degrees C, before bringing it back to the Earth to fuel a new generation of nuclear fusion power plants.


Put the fusion power plants in geo-sync orbits and beam the energy back to Earth via microwaves to collecting stations.

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« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2017, 02:08:47 pm »
I hate to break this to you guys, but fusion power using He3 is waaayyyy off in the future. That is a more difficult process than the deuterium/tritium methods currently being explored that are "just around the corner". Anyone who plans to colonize the moon using HE3 mining as an excuse is gonna go broke fast. There simply is no market for it at this time, or probably within our lifetimes.....

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« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2017, 02:10:53 pm »
"Solar energy is perfect for lunar activities. Not only is it easier to install, it is also clean."

Interesting.  I thought solar (photovoltaic) was dirty, as in more pollution generated to create the panels than the difference in producting electricity from said panels vs coal over the lifetime of the panels.  Maybe that's out of date.

In a couple novels, Ben Bova has mentioned producing solar panels on the moon for use on earth.  Raises interesting questions about "green" energy for earth by simply moving pollution off planet.  I say we go for it.  We can always move the pollution to the dark side so we don't have to look at it.
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Re: What Potential Does the Moon Hold for Mining?
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2017, 02:20:08 pm »
Put the fusion power plants in geo-sync orbits and beam the energy back to Earth via microwaves to collecting stations.

Because Skylab was such a boring event when falling through the atmosphere...
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« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2017, 02:36:15 pm »
Put the fusion power plants in geo-sync orbits and beam the energy back to Earth via microwaves to collecting stations.

Placing the power plants in geo-sync and microwaving the power to Earth would incur sizeable power losses. https://dothemath.ucsd.edu/2012/03/space-based-solar-power/

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« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2017, 02:39:11 pm »
Placing the power plants in geo-sync and microwaving the power to Earth would incur sizeable power losses. https://dothemath.ucsd.edu/2012/03/space-based-solar-power/

Why would that matter? Solar power is basically "free power" and it's nearly all wasted anyways.

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« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2017, 02:47:01 pm »
Why would that matter? Solar power is basically "free power" and it's nearly all wasted anyways.

Because the cost of putting and keeping in orbit is outweighed when you take in consideration the cost of getting the same amount of power by ground based units.  50% microwave losses equals doubling the amount of equipment required in geosync orbit.
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« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2017, 02:50:57 pm »
ilicon on the other hand will be used to create electricity. The moon after all does receive sunlight on a constant basis. Silicon has actually been heavily encouraged for lunar electricity production in NASA, as far back as the 1980s (1).

Well, except for that whole "phases of the moon" thingy.....



There will be long stretches every month where you're gonna need some other source of power.

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« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2017, 03:23:37 pm »
If the feds are going to swat little old ladies for having a moon rock the size of a grain of sand. I'd say the potential is zero zip and nada.
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« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2017, 04:34:50 pm »
Because Skylab was such a boring event when falling through the atmosphere...

If we can make it a weekly event, that'd sell tickets.

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« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2017, 04:56:34 pm »
Well, except for that whole "phases of the moon" thingy.....



There will be long stretches every month where you're gonna need some other source of power.

Actually if you put your solar collectors at the poles they would have continuous or near continuous sunlight.

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« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2017, 05:37:16 pm »
Actually if you put your solar collectors at the poles they would have continuous or near continuous sunlight.

Yes ... but then you need to run long wires to transmit the electricity to wherever you're doing your mining.

At that point it's probably cheaper to use a nuclear reactor.  (BTW -- there's probably not enough easily-mined uranium on the moon to make it a strictly local affair.)
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« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2017, 05:52:30 pm »
Yes ... but then you need to run long wires to transmit the electricity to wherever you're doing your mining.

At that point it's probably cheaper to use a nuclear reactor.  (BTW -- there's probably not enough easily-mined uranium on the moon to make it a strictly local affair.)

You've also got to have a lot of water to turn into steam to turn turbines and it requires steady maintenance.
Simple direct power from solar requires very little maintenance. Stored power requires more attention but still far less than nuclear reactors. Wireless electrical transmission is a possibility but I think a better option is keeping solar farms in sunlight with mirrors in lunar orbit.

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« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2017, 06:08:38 pm »
You've also got to have a lot of water to turn into steam to turn turbines and it requires steady maintenance.
Simple direct power from solar requires very little maintenance. Stored power requires more attention but still far less than nuclear reactors. Wireless electrical transmission is a possibility but I think a better option is keeping solar farms in sunlight with mirrors in lunar orbit.

All of which suggests a tremendous amount of expensive and high-maintenance infrastructure.  One big thing: the moon is very gravitationally "lumpy," so orbits tend to be a lot more dynamic than Earth orbit.  So you'd need to control the orbit of those mirrors pretty carefully.  And I'm not sure how it would work, orbitally and otherwise, to be always able to shine light down onto your moon-based solar collectors.

As to nuclear power, you don't actually need to run turbines to get power from a nuke, though of course doing so would increase efficiency -- and since you've got to launch the thing from Earth there's a premium on reducing the size of the nuclear plant.  Nothing says you need to run a Stirling cycle plant, either.  Using some other working fluid -- nitrogen, say -- you could run a Brayton cycle turbine.

A middle ground would be to limit high-power operations to sunlit periods, and then wait for a couple of weeks until the sun rises again.  Power required for keeping people alive in caves is a lot less than power required for smelting operations.
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« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2017, 06:13:05 pm »
You've also got to have a lot of water to turn into steam to turn turbines and it requires steady maintenance.
Simple direct power from solar requires very little maintenance. Stored power requires more attention but still far less than nuclear reactors. Wireless electrical transmission is a possibility but I think a better option is keeping solar farms in sunlight with mirrors in lunar orbit.

Actually, you can have several thermionic or thermoelectric reactors that do not need steam turbines to make power.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOPAZ_nuclear_reactor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioisotope_thermoelectric_generator
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNAP-10A

These reactors can operate with NO human attention producing useful power for decades. The US actually acquired a TOPAZ rector from Russia in the early 1990's and Sandia labs studied it extensively, coming up with an improved version that boosted power output to 50 kW and a proposed design for one that would make 1 MW.


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« Reply #20 on: April 21, 2017, 01:16:44 am »
Because Skylab was such a boring event when falling through the atmosphere...

I remember that!

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« Reply #22 on: April 24, 2017, 12:57:42 am »
   One of the first SciFi books I ever read, He was a Genius.



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« Reply #23 on: April 24, 2017, 02:28:19 am »
   One of the first SciFi books I ever read, He was a Genius.

Well... he was a genius at first.  In his later books he developed an unhealthy obsession about breakfast and incest, which made him rather unreadable. 

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« Reply #24 on: April 24, 2017, 03:38:18 pm »
Well... he was a genius at first.  In his later books he developed an unhealthy obsession about breakfast and incest, which made him rather unreadable.

I thought two of his last works,  "Job" and "Friday", was a return to his prior style of work.