Trump accused the Freedom Caucus of 'saving' Obamacare. Its leader said it's not over.

[Jazzhead]

@Jazzhead

We'd be victims if Trump and Ryan had succeeded in inflicting that lousy bill on all of us.  As it is, we escaped victimhood, thanks to the Freedom Caucus.

Instead, ObamaCare lives, with its mandates and subsidies intact.   Your logic in declaring you've escaped victimhood sure as heck escapes me.   

[Sanguine]

Instead, ObamaCare lives, with its mandates and subsidies intact.   Your logic in declaring you've escaped victimhood sure as heck escapes me.   

For now.  Did you not read that it is being reexamined right now?  What a weak argument.

[Cyber Liberty]

For now.  Did you not read that it is being reexamined right now?  What a weak argument.

We avoided having the GOP tarred with Obamacare, which is what the boy,sometime yesterday or the day before, said that's his goal:  To make Obamacare a bipartisan thing.  That was avoided, and I'm sure he's raging about that. 

As of today, Obumblercare is still a 100% Dem abomination.

[Jazzhead]

For now.  Did you not read that it is being reexamined right now?  What a weak argument.

The White House said yesterday there's no timetable for resurrecting the repeal effort.   Read between the lines - it's dead for now.   Trump knows the GOP caucus isn't unified,  and likely will never be.

Will the Freedom Caucus sink tax reform too?   

[Sanguine]

The White House said yesterday there's no timetable for resurrecting the repeal effort.   Read between the lines - it's dead for now.   Trump knows the GOP caucus isn't unified,  and likely will never be.

Will the Freedom Caucus sink tax reform too?

Jazz, it's not up to the White House. 

[Cripplecreek]

Jazz, it's not up to the White House.

Blasphemer

[Maj. Bill Martin]

The White House said yesterday there's no timetable for resurrecting the repeal effort.   Read between the lines - it's dead for now.   Trump knows the GOP caucus isn't unified,  and likely will never be.

I think standing up and walking away from the bargaining table is a tactic being used by Trump to pressure both sides into getting a deal done.  I think it will likely end up working because not getting a deal done is the worst outcome for everyone.  Trump is forcing the members to consider that prospect.

[Sanguine]

Blasphemer

[Cyber Liberty]

[Smokin Joe]

Instead, ObamaCare lives, with its mandates and subsidies intact.   Your logic in declaring you've escaped victimhood sure as heck escapes me.   

Let me make a medical analogy. Instead of making a mess of chopping up a tumor and only removing part of it, necessitating further surgeries and likely fraught with complications, we have referred it to some folks who want to remove the whole thing. Let's get this excision right instead of make a mess of it in haste.

[Jazzhead]

Let me make a medical analogy. Instead of making a mess of chopping up a tumor and only removing part of it, necessitating further surgeries and likely fraught with complications, we have referred it to some folks who want to remove the whole thing. Let's get this excision right instead of make a mess of it in haste.

Simply repealing the ACA with no provision for the consequences is what will create the mess.    Hardship for ordinary Americans who obtained health coverage in good faith, and political blowback that will deliver the House to the Dems in 2018.   

[roamer_1]

Blasphemer

 

[corbe]

Donald Trump Could Get Obamacare Repealed Tomorrow If He Did This

By Erick Erickson  |  March 29, 2017, 05:00am  |  @ewerickson


If Donald Trump really wants to get Obamacare repealed, there is one easy thing he and he alone could do tomorrow that would force the congressional GOP to act.

As Phil Kerpen noted, President Obama gave Congress an illegal Obamacare exemption that allows members of congress and committee staff to avoid going into Obamacare.

After a little-noticed meeting with Senate Democrats in March 2013, Obama personally committed to illegally exempt Congress from Obamacare. And he delivered.

Obama directed the Office of Personnel Management to issue a rule (78 Fed. Reg. 60653-01) purporting that Congress, which has thousands of employees, is a small business and therefore: “the DC Health Link Small Business Market administered by the DC Health Benefit Exchange Authority, is the appropriate SHOP from which Members of Congress and designated congressional staff will purchase health insurance in order to receive a Government contribution.”

This fraud of instructing Congress to masquerade as a small business was the key to the scheme, because if members of Congress and their staff had signed up for Obamacare under the individual exchange – as any other American losing employer coverage would have – they would have had to pay their own premiums.

To implement this scheme, the House and Senate each filed a false declaration with the DC Health Benefit Exchange Authority claiming to have less than 50 employees – a fact that was never publicly disclosed.

<..snip..>

http://theresurgent.com/donald-trump-could-get-obamacare-repealed-tomorrow-if-he-did-this/?utm_source=thenewamericana.com

[INVAR]

Simply repealing the ACA with no provision for the consequences is what will create the mess. 

The tyranny of the imposition of ObamaCare is what created the current mess everyone is now suffering from in the first place.  Killing it wholesale eliminates the root cause of our current problems with health insurance and the shortage of doctors it has created.

Hardship for ordinary Americans who obtained health coverage in good faith, and political blowback that will deliver the House to the Dems in 2018.   

It's always interesting how you Communists always ignore the vast majority who suffer under Statist policies in order to focus on the less than 30% of welfare dependent slaves the entire program was supposedly crafted to benefit. 

As always, you push that which intends to make everyone miserable, equally, except of course for the Rulers - whom exempt themselves from the same tyranny and misery they impose on the rest of us.

[Jazzhead]

welfare dependent slaves the entire program was supposedly crafted to benefit. 

What an bleep you are.   Plenty of good folks lost their jobs in the last recession and have been able to acquire peace of mind by the ability to obtain health coverage under the ACA.  I understand the ACA's problems,  and the need to fix it fundamentally.   But these folks are as virtuous, if not more so, than you.   And for you to deride them as "welfare dependent slaves"?   You are as despicable a human being as I've ever encountered on the internet.   

[Sanguine]

Donald Trump Could Get Obamacare Repealed Tomorrow If He Did This

By Erick Erickson  |  March 29, 2017, 05:00am  |  @ewerickson


If Donald Trump really wants to get Obamacare repealed, there is one easy thing he and he alone could do tomorrow that would force the congressional GOP to act.

As Phil Kerpen noted, President Obama gave Congress an illegal Obamacare exemption that allows members of congress and committee staff to avoid going into Obamacare.

Obama directed the Office of Personnel Management to issue a rule (78 Fed. Reg. 60653-01) purporting that Congress, which has thousands of employees, is a small business and therefore: “the DC Health Link Small Business Market administered by the DC Health Benefit Exchange Authority, is the appropriate SHOP from which Members of Congress and designated congressional staff will purchase health insurance in order to receive a Government contribution.”

This fraud of instructing Congress to masquerade as a small business was the key to the scheme, because if members of Congress and their staff had signed up for Obamacare under the individual exchange – as any other American losing employer coverage would have – they would have had to pay their own premiums.

To implement this scheme, the House and Senate each filed a false declaration with the DC Health Benefit Exchange Authority claiming to have less than 50 employees – a fact that was never publicly disclosed.

<..snip..>

http://theresurgent.com/donald-trump-could-get-obamacare-repealed-tomorrow-if-he-did-this/?utm_source=thenewamericana.com

Yes, that would get it fixed.

[Idaho_Cowboy]

What an bleep you are.   Plenty of good folks lost their jobs in the last recession and have been able to acquire peace of mind by the ability to obtain health coverage under the ACA.  I understand the ACA's problems,  and the need to fix it fundamentally.   But these folks are as virtuous, if not more so, than you.   And for you to deride them as "welfare dependent slaves"?   You are as despicable a human being as I've ever encountered on the internet.

The truth hurts.
That reminds me. Have you ever considered reading the Road to Serfdom by FA Hayek? I think it might be the best book out there on the problems of central planning and government run markets vs. free markets including the consequences. -Serfdom It's a classic:
https://smile.amazon.com/Road-Serfdom-F-Hayek/dp/B001HWT06U/ref=smi_www_rco2_go_smi_g2609328962?_encoding=UTF8&%2AVersion%2A=1&%2Aentries%2A=0&ie=UTF8

[Cyber Liberty]

The truth hurts.
That reminds me. Have you ever considered reading the Road to Serfdom by FA Hayek? I think it might be the best book out there on the problems of central planning and government run markets vs. free markets including the consequences. -Serfdom It's a classic:
https://smile.amazon.com/Road-Serfdom-F-Hayek/dp/B001HWT06U/ref=smi_www_rco2_go_smi_g2609328962?_encoding=UTF8&%2AVersion%2A=1&%2Aentries%2A=0&ie=UTF8

Welcome to Jazzy's shitlist, you bleep.  @INVAR and I are disgraces.  I wonder what he thinks of the management for allowing the likes of us to grace these pages?  Whatever it is, he has no self-respect to keep wallowing in our mire, dontchathink?

[Jazzhead]

Yes,  IC, I've read The Road to Serfdom.   An iconic book that any conservative should be familiar with.   

But let's not exaggerate -  government regulation of the private insurance industry neither amounts to "central planning" nor the abrogation of "free markets".    Indeed,  sound government regulation can set the conditions for free markets to flourish, by establishing a playing field that allows competition to proceed fairly,  and instills confidence by consumers.

Like everything else, there is bad regulation and good regulation.   The trick is knowing the difference, and not just waving about asinine slogans concerning "tyranny".   We aren't living under King George;  our laws are the result of the rules set in place by the Constitution for our democratic representative republic.

(And no, IC, contrary to CL's insinuation, you're not on my "shitlist".   I respect your positive contributions to this board.)       

[Idaho_Cowboy]

Yes,  IC, I've read The Road to Serfdom.   An iconic book that any conservative should be familiar with.   

But let's not exaggerate -  government regulation of the private insurance industry neither amounts to "central planning" nor the abrogation of "free markets".    Indeed,  sound government regulation can set the conditions for free markets to flourish, by establishing a playing field that allows competition to proceed fairly,  and instills confidence by consumers.

Like everything else, there is bad regulation and good regulation.   The trick is knowing the difference, and not just waving about asinine slogans concerning "tyranny".   We aren't living under King George;  our laws are the result of the rules set in place by the Constitution for our democratic representative republic.

   

Good, I think it ought to be required reading in every high school. Given the pure mass of regulation under Obama care I think it is very much central planning. Set prices, set goods (very strict regulation in terms of the plans and coverage). It may not be old style command and control, but the effect on our freedoms are the same -The government has already decided what you need and what you are going to pay, Comrade. Hillary care was even closer with the government deciding what specialists doctors could be etc. As Hayek points out all regulation moves the market away from the real price and quantity; therefore good regulation is minimal. The more regulation the more the costs rise and the more inefficient the allocation of whatever resource. In this case health insurance and care.

Here's a thought exercise: Are we more or less free than the colonist under King George were? Just because out laws have been achieved by Republic system doesn't automatically make them more free than those dreamt up by a Monarch. In fact since the crown didn't have the hundreds of bureaucrats getting paid to crank out new regulation everyday it's pretty much a rhetorical question. If King George had tried to draft Obama care the scribes would still be working on it.

[INVAR]

But these folks are as virtuous, if not more so, than you.   And for you to deride them as "welfare dependent slaves"?   You are as despicable a human being as I've ever encountered on the internet.

I'm not talking about individual virtue.  We are talking about the agenda you are pushing which is: From Each According To Their Ability - TO EACH According To Their Need.

Anyone needing to get a handout or subsidy from the government, which is money robbed from fellow countrymen via a gun to their heads, is a welfare dependent slave. 

I do not care that you think I am despicable.  In fact, it is exactly what I expect Statists and tyrants to think of me.

[INVAR]

Welcome to Jazzy's shitlist, you bleep.  @INVAR and I are disgraces.  I wonder what he thinks of the management for allowing the likes of us to grace these pages?  Whatever it is, he has no self-respect to keep wallowing in our mire, dontchathink?

He vowed to wage a war to get me banned from the board.

He was stupid to start a war with me.  He is now my project on this board.  I thank him for the fact he has offered his posts and his agenda to be a continuous subject of target practice.

[Idaho_Cowboy]

I'm not talking about individual virtue.  We are talking about the agenda you are pushing which is: From Each According To Their Ability - TO EACH According To Their Need.

Anyone needing to get a handout or subsidy from the government, which is money robbed from fellow countrymen via a gun to their heads, is a welfare dependent slave. 

I do not care that you think I am despicable.  In fact, it is exactly what I expect Statists and tyrants to think of me.

Nailed it. It's the same reason national parks put up signs saying don't feed the bears.

[INVAR]

But let's not exaggerate -  government regulation of the private insurance industry neither amounts to "central planning" nor the abrogation of "free markets".

And taxes are "investments" ; Homosexuals are "gay"; "Freedom is slavery" and "We're from the government, and we're here to help".  Government regulation of private industry to establish their product and service as a right and subsidy mandated upon all people is Tyranny and Fascism, PERIOD. 

Indeed,  sound government regulation can set the conditions for free markets to flourish,

Only a Communist would think that government regulation of private industry, business and property sets and creates the conditions for the free market.

by establishing a playing field that allows competition to proceed fairly,  and instills confidence by consumers.

There it is.  Government is there to create "fairness" and "Equality".  Right out of Marx and Engels.

The trick is knowing the difference, and not just waving about asinine slogans concerning "tyranny".   

Considering the fact you cannot recognize sin and abomination, and think Socialism is Capitalism, it is not surprising you cannot recognize tyranny.    But then again, you PUSH tyranny so branding tyranny as freedom and equality and fairness as the supreme virtue is to be expected from you. 

We aren't living under King George;  our laws are the result of the rules set in place by the Constitution for our democratic representative republic.

You make me laugh.  ObamaCare and the concept of Government-run healthcare is neither Constitutional nor representative of what the majority of people opposed - which is why they passed it in the middle of the night without a single representative reading the omnibus imposition of tyranny.

[XenaLee]

What an bleep you are.   Plenty of good folks lost their jobs in the last recession and have been able to acquire peace of mind by the ability to obtain health coverage under the ACA.  I understand the ACA's problems,  and the need to fix it fundamentally.   But these folks are as virtuous, if not more so, than you.   And for you to deride them as "welfare dependent slaves"?   You are as despicable a human being as I've ever encountered on the internet.

You really should check a mirror once in a while.