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Careful...comments like that will get you mistaken for a Liberal.

Just sayin... :whistle:

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Just a reminder and reality check:  while the Freedom Caucus did present a strong resistance to 0bamacare 2.0. their numbers are very small and there would have had to have been a whole lot of non Freedom Caucus types threatening to vote "no".   It's easy to blame the few conservatives, but that is simply an effort to shift the blame.

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The bill that fully repeals obamacare is sitting in committee right now. It is the same as the 2015 bill that passed both Houses. All that needs to be done is for a majority (216) of member to sign off on it. Pres. Trump can move to the right and embrace this, or he can move to the left and support the status quo. From his tweets it looks like he's moving to the left. As someone who didn't vote for him in part because I didn't believe he would be a reliable conservative I hope I'm wrong, but early indications are I'm not.

He's just letting off steam and venting in his tweets.  The bill that was offered was not worthy but I've noticed that perfectionism thing in conservatives a lot.

Nobody thought Trump would be a reliable anything but by the time we could vote, he was the obvious choice.
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@skeeter
    And that pulling of funding for PP had a 1 year limit on it, subject to renewal at each interval, I read somewhere.

Aren't you being a little ..... perfectionist?
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Aren't you being a little ..... perfectionist?

   Possibly,  @Emjay but I haven't forgotten Trump's numerous utterance over the years concerning PP and therefore I just don't trust him, particularly on this issue and especially with Ivana in the West Wing, but that's just me being 'perfectionist'.
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Thanks, @CatherineofAragon. I appreciate your candor more than you'll comprehend. I've often suspected sanctimonious conservatives have no concern for the people living with the consequences of their purity and zero faith in anyone other than themselves; that conservatives are limited by their political inbreeding having bled all strategic thinking from their gene pool.

And now I know.

Yeah....riiiight!   It's the conservatives that's the problem. 

About the most asinine comment I've seen from you yet.

But at least you're (finally) being honest about your 'real' political bent.
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There are a few diehards that still throw around the nevertrump accusations but nobody really takes them seriously any more. Two months ago one had to defend himself quite a bit if nevertrump was hurled at him, but now it's almost a joke. If Jimbo doesn't rebrand soon TOS will be done. The Internet is forever, that means all of their hypocrisy is recorded for posterity.

I see that several of the bottom feeders and provocateurs who've been quiet since trump won the nomination are active and tossing around insults again.

Gotta keep conservatives on the reservation I guess.

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Thanks, @CatherineofAragon. I appreciate your candor more than you'll comprehend. I've often suspected sanctimonious conservatives have no concern for the people living with the consequences of their purity and zero faith in anyone other than themselves; that conservatives are limited by their political inbreeding having bled all strategic thinking from their gene pool.

And now I know.

@Right_in_Virginia

See what I mean about being real (or not)?  We've been posting on the same threads for days; I think we posted to each other once or twice.  You know fully well that I've been against the GOP bill.  So why are you acting as though it was just revealed to you?  So you can pretend some dramatic revelation?

Unless you expect me to be unhappy that a bill I hated was pulled, which makes no sense.

Besides, as I said earlier, your opinion elsewhere is that anger directed solely at Ryan is a mistake, since Trump was all over the bill as well.  Geez, just drop the pretense, why don't you.


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Just a reminder and reality check:  while the Freedom Caucus did present a strong resistance to 0bamacare 2.0. their numbers are very small and there would have had to have been a whole lot of non Freedom Caucus types threatening to vote "no".   It's easy to blame the few conservatives, but that is simply an effort to shift the blame.

Then why is Jim Jordan taking credit for the outcome the bill @Sanguine

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Jordan: Freedom Caucus ‘Did the Country a Favor’ in Killing AHCA
Breitbart, Mar 26, 2017, Pam Key

On this weekend’s broadcast “Fox News Sunday,” House Freedom Caucus vice chairman Jim Jordan (R-OH) said the Freedom Caucus did the “country a favor” when they refused to support the House Republican health care bill.

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/03/26/gop-rep-jordan-freedom-caucus-did-the-country-a-favor-in-killing-ahca/

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Then why is Jim Jordan taking credit for the outcome the bill @Sanguine

That's not what his quote says, RIV.  Try reading it more slowly.

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Yeah....riiiight!   It's the conservatives that's the problem. 

About the most asinine comment I've seen from you yet.   

Actually @XenaLee , "asinine" is lacking strategic vision and acumen .... and choosing politics for a career.




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That's not what his quote says, RIV.  Try reading it more slowly.

Read the article @Sanguine ...

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What choice would he have if Trump supported it?

What choice would he have if the House [passed it?

What choice would he have if the Pub base made it clear that this was a condition of them having a majority (which the base has done!).

He will tell us that we need to shut up, sit down or get punched in the nose because we do not understand how Washington works.

THAT is what his record and hallmark are.

The GOP never had any intention of repealing ObamaCare.  They simply want to 'manage' it better and obtain the power and funds that will come with the collapse of the insurance industry and the institution of Single Payer.
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Trump moves left on this first big ticket item. I voted for Trump and I've been happy with his performance up until now, but my early opinion of Trump, that he was a centrist at best, appears to be coming true.

I didn't vote for Trump and early on I began regretting it. He made some very good picks for his Cabinet. The SCOTUS nominee seems pretty good. The focus on jobs, cutting regulations and strong foreign policy were really great to see. Now it seems we are both arriving at the same place, just coming from different angles. Trump moving left rather than right spells doom for freedom loving conservatives.
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Thanks, @CatherineofAragon. I appreciate your candor more than you'll comprehend. I've often suspected sanctimonious conservatives have no concern for the people living with the consequences of their purity and zero faith in anyone other than themselves; that conservatives are limited by their political inbreeding having bled all strategic thinking from their gene pool.

And now I know.

So you join the Left with your contempt and hatred of Conservative principles that are not readily surrendered and compromised.

And now WE know.
Fart for freedom, fart for liberty and fart proudly.  - Benjamin Franklin

...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Actually @XenaLee , "asinine" is lacking strategic vision and acumen .... and choosing politics for a career.

Um.... I think I'm starting to see the problem here.  As I previously suspected (during the primary)...

you're nuts.

Thanks for reinforcing that perspective, though.
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He's just letting off steam and venting in his tweets.  The bill that was offered was not worthy but I've noticed that perfectionism thing in conservatives a lot.

Nobody thought Trump would be a reliable anything but by the time we could vote, he was the obvious choice.

What was perfectionist in saying obamacare must be repealed? The Pubs have been running on this for 7 years. Conservatives gave the Pubs majorities in the House and Senate because they said they would repeal it. When time came to do it all they did was try to fix it and leave the authority to reinstall it in it's entirety in place. Repeal means it's gone.
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Anybody else notice the buyer's remorse at TOS?

Yup.  I don't think there is going to be enough popcorn in the coming months.  At least it will provide entertainment while Trump shreds what is left of our society :whistle: :whistle:
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@Right_in_Virginia

See what I mean about being real (or not)?  We've been posting on the same threads for days; I think we posted to each other once or twice.  You know fully well that I've been against the GOP bill.  So why are you acting as though it was just revealed to you?  So you can pretend some dramatic revelation?

Unless you expect me to be unhappy that a bill I hated was pulled, which makes no sense.

Besides, as I said earlier, your opinion elsewhere is that anger directed solely at Ryan is a mistake, since Trump was all over the bill as well.  Geez, just drop the pretense, why don't you.

Just like at TOS a lot of "conservatives" are being revealed as populists worshipping a cult of personality.  I voted for Trump given the alternative and hoped to be pleasantly surprised.  So far I haven't been surprised at all.  It's sad that the true believers will never see the truth. 8888crybaby
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What was perfectionist in saying obamacare must be repealed? The Pubs have been running on this for 7 years. Conservatives gave the Pubs majorities in the House and Senate because they said they would repeal it.

It wasn't just conservatives who gave Republicans that majority.  There also were a lot of non-conservative populists, as well as a lot of swing voters who didn't like Hillary.

The point is that there is no "conservative" majority.  There is a Republican majority.  So for conservatives to insist on getting exactly what they want, when they don't have the votes to do that, is perfectionism.

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It wasn't just conservatives who gave Republicans that majority.  There also were a lot of non-conservative populists, as well as a lot of swing voters who didn't like Hillary.

The point is that there is no "conservative" majority.  There is a Republican majority.  So for conservatives to insist on getting exactly what they want, when they don't have the votes to do that, is perfectionism.

How about insisting on getting exactly what was promised?  Is that, in your world view, perfectionism???

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It wasn't just conservatives who gave Republicans that majority.  There also were a lot of non-conservative populists, as well as a lot of swing voters who didn't like Hillary.

The point is that there is no "conservative" majority.  There is a Republican majority.  So for conservatives to insist on getting exactly what they want, when they don't have the votes to do that, is perfectionism.

   Then Trump/Ryan will just have to tweak it up some more to get some Dems on board and viola, it passes the House, and Conservatives can face their constituents will their 'integrity' in tack.
   They are doing what we elected them to do, just Repeal the damn thing with a time limit, give them one year to come with the replacement, you just can't make everyone (Americans in general) happy here, accept it and move on. IMHO
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Um.... I think I'm starting to see the problem here.  As I previously suspected (during the primary)...

you're nuts.

@XenaLee   Your post is Exhibit A for this wise adage:










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How about insisting on getting exactly what was promised?  Is that, in your world view, perfectionism???

I would've been delighted with something in the realm of what was promised. The bill offered obviously intends to perpetuate ACA.
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