Trump accused the Freedom Caucus of 'saving' Obamacare. Its leader said it's not over.

[corbe]

   Seems the 'Talking Points' have been disseminated, I for one am not bothered by this at all.
   Let these morons pontificate, their words mean nothing to Conservatives.


Pete King: Freedom Caucus to blame for failed healthcare bill

 By Max Greenwood  - 03/26/17 07:00 AM EDT 

Rep. Pete King (R-N.Y.) on Sunday pinned the failure of the GOP healthcare bill on the ultra-conservative House Freedom Caucus, saying the GOP faction wanted a "total repeal" of the Affordable Care Act.

"[The Freedom Caucus] was insisting on virtually a total repeal of ObamaCare, which sounds good," King told radio host John Catsimatidis on AM 970 in New York. "You can't end that overnight."

President Trump was handed the first legislative defeat of his presidency on Friday, after Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) pulled the American Health Care Act amid dwindling support among Republicans.

King himself had indicated before the bill was killed that he was leaning against it.

But he blamed the Freedom Caucus on Sunday for attempting to push the bill too far to the right and warned Republicans that they would have to build bipartisan support on any other major legislative undertakings.

"We're going to have to realize whether it's healthcare, whether it's tax reform coming up, that we're going to have to find a way to get legislation through that is not just all Republican," he said. "Because then it becomes all or nothing, and it's going to end up becoming nothing."

<..snip..>

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/325799-gop-rep-freedom-caucus-to-blame-for-failed-healthcare-bill

[roamer_1]

I was totally opposed to the obamacare 2.0, without a complete repeal the next Rat POTUS can put everything right back in place because of all the authority the original bill gave to the HHS Secty.

TADA! Somebody gets it.

 

[bilo]

If you've truly got a majority who want to pass it, he's got no choice.  Same in the House with Ryan.

So why isn't that happening?

Why use the full repeal bill that's sitting in committee when the AHCA bill was coming to a vote. Now that the AHCA has failed why not go back and sign off on the bill sitting in committee that fully repeals obamacare and begin addressing the issues concerning coverage one bill at a time.

[Cripplecreek]

TADA! Somebody gets it.

 

Its also one of the reasons I don't like executive orders.

[Bigun]

   Seems the 'Talking Points' have been disseminated, I for one am not bothered by this at all.
   Let these morons pontificate, their words mean nothing to Conservatives.


Pete King: Freedom Caucus to blame for failed healthcare bill

 By Max Greenwood  - 03/26/17 07:00 AM EDT 

Rep. Pete King (R-N.Y.) on Sunday pinned the failure of the GOP healthcare bill on the ultra-conservative House Freedom Caucus, saying the GOP faction wanted a "total repeal" of the Affordable Care Act.

"[The Freedom Caucus] was insisting on virtually a total repeal of ObamaCare, which sounds good," King told radio host John Catsimatidis on AM 970 in New York. "You can't end that overnight."

President Trump was handed the first legislative defeat of his presidency on Friday, after Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) pulled the American Health Care Act amid dwindling support among Republicans.

King himself had indicated before the bill was killed that he was leaning against it.

But he blamed the Freedom Caucus on Sunday for attempting to push the bill too far to the right and warned Republicans that they would have to build bipartisan support on any other major legislative undertakings.

"We're going to have to realize whether it's healthcare, whether it's tax reform coming up, that we're going to have to find a way to get legislation through that is not just all Republican," he said. "Because then it becomes all or nothing, and it's going to end up becoming nothing."

<..snip..>

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/325799-gop-rep-freedom-caucus-to-blame-for-failed-healthcare-bill

Peter King is a full fledged member of the Swamp dweller fraternity!

[HoustonSam]

If Trump had half the brains he claims to have he would have formed a committee of conservative representatives and senators to study and come up with a workable plan that would actually stand a chance of passage.

Instead he was in such a rush for something to pass so he could slap his name on it and declare victory that he didn't care what it was as long as it passed and he could call it a win for himself. Unfortunately he didn't count on it being unpopular and him taking the blame.

Now rather than learning from his mistake he's decided to launch attacks on moderates and conservatives alike.

I'll certainly join the criticism of Speaker Ryan for coming out with a bill that fell far short of repeated Republican promises, and for wrapping that bill in the arcane Senate strategy of reconciliation and presenting it as a binary choice.  Ryan and the Congressional Republican leadership deserve all the criticism they're getting for not having a plan, or even a consensus, ready after 7 years.

But to me the unmistakable conclusion is that the Not-A-Politician-Greatest-Dealmaker-Who-Ever-Lived was unable to facilitate a deal within his own party when they hold the majority in both houses and the oval office, and now his sycophants are spinning his Not-A-Politician brand not as a strength, but rather a weakness which should exempt him from accountability.

[bilo]

That is not true. Leadership can bury it in committee.

Yes and no. Once a bill sits in committee for a period of time it can be brought to the floor for a vote if a majority (216) sign of on it. The bill currently in committee that fully repeals obamacare gives Congress 2 yrs before it's implemented. Enough time to come up with any legislation that's needed to help people who might need help. The only thing this requires is real leadership.

[Silver Pines]

"Saving Planned Parenthood"

Well, Trump repeatedly lauded PP and said they did wonderful things, so why would that bother him?

[Silver Pines]

@skeeter
    And that pulling of funding for PP had a 1 year limit on it, subject to renewal at each interval, I read somewhere.

@corbe

I read that, too.

[Silver Pines]

Yes ... and neither do the people @skeeter, neither does small business. 

But, hell .. as long as conservatives are happy ... I guess it's worth all of the pain their myopic vision inflicts.

@Right_in_Virginia

I'm happy as can be.  Those liars weren't able to inflict a barely-tweaked version of Obamacare onto the American people.  Happy?  Oh, yeah. 

[bilo]

   Seems the 'Talking Points' have been disseminated, I for one am not bothered by this at all.
   Let these morons pontificate, their words mean nothing to Conservatives.


Pete King: Freedom Caucus to blame for failed healthcare bill

 By Max Greenwood  - 03/26/17 07:00 AM EDT 

Rep. Pete King (R-N.Y.) on Sunday pinned the failure of the GOP healthcare bill on the ultra-conservative House Freedom Caucus, saying the GOP faction wanted a "total repeal" of the Affordable Care Act.

"[The Freedom Caucus] was insisting on virtually a total repeal of ObamaCare, which sounds good," King told radio host John Catsimatidis on AM 970 in New York. "You can't end that overnight."

President Trump was handed the first legislative defeat of his presidency on Friday, after Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) pulled the American Health Care Act amid dwindling support among Republicans.

King himself had indicated before the bill was killed that he was leaning against it.

But he blamed the Freedom Caucus on Sunday for attempting to push the bill too far to the right and warned Republicans that they would have to build bipartisan support on any other major legislative undertakings.

"We're going to have to realize whether it's healthcare, whether it's tax reform coming up, that we're going to have to find a way to get legislation through that is not just all Republican," he said. "Because then it becomes all or nothing, and it's going to end up becoming nothing."

<..snip..>

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/325799-gop-rep-freedom-caucus-to-blame-for-failed-healthcare-bill

I thought Tom Delay had a great point yesterday on Fox. He said if you want legislation to pass a Pub majority you need to start with the bill on the right and move towards the center until you have 216 votes. The AHCA bill started on the left and tried to move right to get the votes. Conservatives held true to the principals that got them elected. The best way for the Pubs to lose their majority is to move left. Why support socialism/big govt light?

[txradioguy]

Yes ... and neither do the people @skeeter, neither does small business. 

But, hell .. as long as conservatives are happy ... I guess it's worth all of the pain their myopic vision inflicts.

Careful...comments like that will get you mistaken for a Liberal.

Just sayin...

[Silver Pines]

I'll certainly join the criticism of Speaker Ryan for coming out with a bill that fell far short of repeated Republican promises, and for wrapping that bill in the arcane Senate strategy of reconciliation and presenting it as a binary choice.  Ryan and the Congressional Republican leadership deserve all the criticism they're getting for not having a plan, or even a consensus, ready after 7 years.

But to me the unmistakable conclusion is that the Not-A-Politician-Greatest-Dealmaker-Who-Ever-Lived was unable to facilitate a deal within his own party when they hold the majority in both houses and the oval office, and now his sycophants are spinning his Not-A-Politician brand not as a strength, but rather a weakness which should exempt him from accountability.

@HoustonSam

Dean Clancy‏Verified account @DeanClancy  12h12 hours ago
 Trumpcare caused Trump's godlike aura of dealmaking prowess and Ryan's godlike aura of policy brilliance to both go poof

these "gods" bleed


Amanda Carpenter‏Verified account @amandacarpenter  3h3 hours ago
 Dear R's in Congress: Ignore Trump in negotiations and send bills to his desk. He'll take those as wins bc he has no other choice.



Guy Benson‏Verified account @guypbenson  13h13 hours ago
 Tough guy bravely outsources smack-talk to woman willing to say thing he won't, after own alleged negotiating prowess fails.

[txradioguy]

Like I said a couple weeks ago...the legislation to fix this mess could take one sheet of paper and less than a paragraph.

It really is that simple.

[Cripplecreek]

@HoustonSam

Amanda Carpenter‏Verified account @amandacarpenter  3h3 hours ago
 Dear R's in Congress: Ignore Trump in negotiations and send bills to his desk. He'll take those as wins bc he has no other choice.

Amanda Carpenter‏ is right

[Victoria33]

Guess DT knows he can't burn all the bridges.   His bullying days are over.  No one is afraid of the big bad wolf anymore.

@Rivergirl

No, Trump hasn't changed; he is going after the Freedom Caucus per Trump method of destroying enemies.  Any House Republican who didn't want this bill, is now his enemy and he will try to destroy each one.  He is surely burning every bridge to the House, except for those who are still bowing to him.

[Silver Pines]

Yes ... and neither do the people @skeeter, neither does small business. 

But, hell .. as long as conservatives are happy ... I guess it's worth all of the pain their myopic vision inflicts.

@Right_in_Virginia

I have to say this, RIV.

At TOS, you've been critical of Trump's involvement in this crap bill, even stressing it to the point that one of the cultists was ready to jump you.  You've been extremely critical of Ivanka Trump, but that's another story, I guess.

I don't understand why you apparently feel you have to put up a different face here.  Is it just that, face-saving?  Because I say this sincerely---if you'd let the facade drop and be more real, maybe you wouldn't catch half of the hell you do.  Just saying.

[Silver Pines]

Amanda Carpenter‏ is right

100%.

[corbe]

Bullying Won’t Get Conservatives to the Table

By Susan Wright  |  March 25, 2017, 02:30pm  |  @SweetieWalker

Bullying may work in the schoolyard, but it can’t get you everything in life.

Nor should it.

It definitely shouldn’t be the way our lawmakers in Washington do business, but we know sometimes they still do, with varying results.

Case in point: The failed attempt by Donald Trump and establishment Republicans to force an unwieldy, thinly veiled boondoggle on us, while calling it an Obamacare replacement bill.

The American Health Care Act was not the repeal of Obamacare that was promised on the campaign trail, in 2016.

It was a trimmed back version of the same thing, with only minor fixes.

And while it did have several appealing points, with the nipping of mandates and the defunding of Planned Parenthood, there was so much more that the conservative wing of the party could not stomach.

Planned Parenthood could easily be defunded with a separate budget bill, and that needs to happen sooner, rather than later.

The shenanigans leading up to the planned vote on the AHCA, however, are distasteful, to say the least.

<..snip..>
 
President Trump visited with the HFC members himself, several times ahead of the scheduled vote, but some are saying he would not discuss policy specifics of the bill.

Trump preferred to take to Twitter and single them out, saying that for all their pro-life credentials, Planned Parenthood would stand, if they didn’t support the bill.

Again I say, the American people shouldn’t be forced to choke down a horrendous bill to get Planned Parenthood defunded.

It is beginning to look as if Planned Parenthood was the bait used to lure conservative votes, but it didn’t work.

And bullying, blaming, pointing fingers and holding grudges won’t work, either.

The optics on this are bad. President Trump needs a win, now, as does Congress.

Put out a separate budget bill, defund Planned Parenthood, then go back to the drawing board with an Obamacare replacement.

The race for 2018 began yesterday.


http://theresurgent.com/bullying-wont-get-conservatives-to-the-table/

[Right_in_Virginia]

@Right_in_Virginia

I'm happy as can be.  Those liars weren't able to inflict a barely-tweaked version of Obamacare onto the American people.  Happy?  Oh, yeah.

Thanks, @CatherineofAragon. I appreciate your candor more than you'll comprehend. I've often suspected sanctimonious conservatives have no concern for the people living with the consequences of their purity and zero faith in anyone other than themselves; that conservatives are limited by their political inbreeding having bled all strategic thinking from their gene pool.

And now I know.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Amanda Carpenter‏ is right

She's absolutely right.  The problem is that really doesn't have anything to do with the ObamaCare repeal, because there are not enough votes in Congress to pass a bill.  Even if it passed the House -- which is extremely unlikely -- it would die in the Senate and never come to a vote.  And as long as it sat there, nothing else would happen until the next time the Dems get control.

[goodwithagun]

Anybody else notice the buyer's remorse at TOS?

[corbe]

Anybody else notice the buyer's remorse at TOS?

@goodwithagun

   I don't read the comments over there, but I noted a couple of days ago, that 'buyers remorse' was noticeable here, even if by just a couple of people.

[goodwithagun]

@goodwithagun

   I don't read the comments over there, but I noted a couple of days ago, that 'buyers remorse' was noticeable here, even if by just a couple of people.

There are a few diehards that still throw around the nevertrump accusations but nobody really takes them seriously any more. Two months ago one had to defend himself quite a bit if nevertrump was hurled at him, but now it's almost a joke. If Jimbo doesn't rebrand soon TOS will be done. The Internet is forever, that means all of their hypocrisy is recorded for posterity.

[FreeReign]

The bill that fully repeals obamacare is sitting in committee right now. It is the same as the 2015 bill that passed both Houses. All that needs to be done is for a majority (216) of member to sign off on it. Pres. Trump can move to the right and embrace this, or he can move to the left and support the status quo. From his tweets it looks like he's moving to the left. As someone who didn't vote for him in part because I didn't believe he would be a reliable conservative I hope I'm wrong, but early indications are I'm not.

Trump moves left on this first big ticket item. I voted for Trump and I've been happy with his performance up until now, but my early opinion of Trump, that he was a centrist at best, appears to be coming true.