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Re: What Was the Point of Winning the Election?
« Reply #25 on: March 20, 2017, 09:11:38 AM »
There already IS a Constitution Party. I voted for their guy for POTUS.

Well then...it's about to be hijacked and turned into a major Party.
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Re: What Was the Point of Winning the Election?
« Reply #26 on: March 20, 2017, 09:21:56 AM »
The same group of people who wanted obamaphones, mortgages paid, and cash from Obama's stash, voted for their new sugar daddy.  The results will be the same.

Oooh.....that is so not true.  So far off the mark it's laughable.  I know several folks that voted for Trump (I did not) that loathe Barack Hussein Obama.  The only reason Trump is president is because more mainstream Americans loathed Hillary.
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Re: What Was the Point of Winning the Election?
« Reply #27 on: March 20, 2017, 10:01:34 AM »
Oooh.....that is so not true.  So far off the mark it's laughable.  I know several folks that voted for Trump (I did not) that loathe Barack Hussein Obama.  The only reason Trump is president is because more mainstream Americans loathed Hillary.

Meh.....it was the way he flashed that Glamour cover smile, his Italian suits, and his natural ability to use a teleprompter.

Oh.....and because he is Black.   :laugh:

Trump won because their own polls showed Hillary winning in a landslide....and free-loaders being naturally lazy...didn't get off their asses to vote. 

When The Democratic Party publicly wrote off the White Middle Class vote, together with shutting down the coal industry with costly regulations/fines, together with firsthand exposure to the Obamacare Lie....Trump had his path to victory. (no matter what their union leadership proclaimed)
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Re: What Was the Point of Winning the Election?
« Reply #28 on: March 20, 2017, 10:07:34 AM »
Meh.....it was the way he flashed that Glamour cover smile, his Italian suits, and his natural ability to use a teleprompter.

Oh.....and because he is Black.   :laugh:

Trump won because their own polls showed Hillary winning in a landslide....and free-loaders being naturally lazy...didn't get off their asses to vote. 

When The Democratic Party publicly wrote off the White Middle Class vote, together with shutting down the coal industry with costly regulations/fines, together with firsthand exposure to the Obamacare Lie....Trump had his path to victory. (no matter what their union leadership proclaimed)

Correction.  I meant to say the main reason, not the only reason.  There are, in fact, many reasons why Trump won.  Main one is that he was the ONLY alternative to having Hillary Clinton as president.  But to say that the same idiots that voted for Obama to get mo free stuff voted for Trump is simply not accurate.

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Re: What Was the Point of Winning the Election?
« Reply #29 on: March 20, 2017, 10:22:14 AM »
Meh.....it was the way he flashed that Glamour cover smile, his Italian suits, and his natural ability to use a teleprompter.

Oh.....and because he is Black.   :laugh:

Trump won because their own polls showed Hillary winning in a landslide....and free-loaders being naturally lazy...didn't get off their asses to vote. 

When The Democratic Party publicly wrote off the White Middle Class vote, together with shutting down the coal industry with costly regulations/fines, together with firsthand exposure to the Obamacare Lie....Trump had his path to victory. (no matter what their union leadership proclaimed)

Now the Pubs are getting ready to write off main street. The obamacare semi-repeal and semi-replacement will naturally lead to insurers dropping individual plans and small group plans and force these people into an expanded Medicaid. Most people don't care because this group only represents about 7-10% of the insurance market and the vast majority get their coverage through their employer.

I'm sure the Pubs will more than replace me and people like me with all the cross over Rats who will now become Pubs on a permanent basis when they find their Medicaid coverage didn't get cut. /s
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Re: What Was the Point of Winning the Election?
« Reply #30 on: March 20, 2017, 10:34:46 AM »
Correction.  I meant to say the main reason, not the only reason.  There are, in fact, many reasons why Trump won.  Main one is that he was the ONLY alternative to having Hillary Clinton as president.  But to say that the same idiots that voted for Obama to get mo free stuff voted for Trump is simply not accurate.

I think you're right that most Trump supporters didn't vote for him to get stuff at other peoples expense. Unfortunately, the Pubs have continued to follow the liberal/media bubble. Along with Trump they are more concerned with helping those who oppose them, and always will oppose them, than following through on the promises they made to those who supported them.

Trump needed to lead and instead he delegated to Ryan. Now we end up with a plan that only serves DC and insurance companies. I expected more. I was promised more.
Where are the high risk pools for the uninsurable? Where is the competition allowing people to buy insurance across state lines? Where is the end to States carving out monopolies for insurance companies? Where is the tax deductibility for individuals as there is for businesses? Where is the freedom from govt control over my life?
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Re: What Was the Point of Winning the Election?
« Reply #31 on: March 20, 2017, 11:34:05 AM »
A lot of people have the naive view that repealing Obamacare will return us to the status quo ante, giving us back the health insurance/health care system we had before.  Unfortunately that is not the case.  Obamacare broke a lot of beneficial features of the health care system we used to have -- including physician-owned hospitals and duty-to-treat charity hospitals -- drove some people out of their health insurance plans, provided others with health insurance plans they never had (and may or may not have wanted), drove up premiums and/or deductibles and coinsurance for everyone (Do you really think health insurers will give that back unless forced to either by regulation or something we've never, ever, had:  effective market competition in health insurance? If you do, I have a bridge between Manhattan and Brooklyn you might be interested in buying...). 

Abolishing it without a carefully considered replacement that understands this, and a means of transition to that replacement that doesn't produce chaos, will be far worse leaving it in place for another six months to eighteen months to work out an actually viable replacement (yes, ideally one that actually creates real effective markets in both health insurance and health care).

If you break it you bought it.  For now the broken American health care system belongs to the 'Rats.  If the GOP break it further it will be theirs and the 'Rats will hang it around the neck of the GOP and the Right for decades to come. 
And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know what this was all about.

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Re: What Was the Point of Winning the Election?
« Reply #32 on: March 20, 2017, 11:37:55 AM »
You're all kind of talking around the point.  The feral government will never voluntarily reduce its control over any aspect of our society.  That just isn't going to happen.  What y'all need to do is help get an Article V convention called so the states can force the federal behemoth back into its Constitutional restrictions.
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Re: What Was the Point of Winning the Election?
« Reply #33 on: March 20, 2017, 11:41:15 AM »
Power

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I'd rather lose defending the constitution than win at its expense.
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Re: What Was the Point of Winning the Election?
« Reply #34 on: March 20, 2017, 12:29:05 PM »
A lot of people have the naive view that repealing Obamacare will return us to the status quo ante, giving us back the health insurance/health care system we had before.  Unfortunately that is not the case.  Obamacare broke a lot of beneficial features of the health care system we used to have -- including physician-owned hospitals and duty-to-treat charity hospitals -- drove some people out of their health insurance plans, provided others with health insurance plans they never had (and may or may not have wanted), drove up premiums and/or deductibles and coinsurance for everyone (Do you really think health insurers will give that back unless forced to either by regulation or something we've never, ever, had:  effective market competition in health insurance? If you do, I have a bridge between Manhattan and Brooklyn you might be interested in buying...). 

Abolishing it without a carefully considered replacement that understands this, and a means of transition to that replacement that doesn't produce chaos, will be far worse leaving it in place for another six months to eighteen months to work out an actually viable replacement (yes, ideally one that actually creates real effective markets in both health insurance and health care).

If you break it you bought it.  For now the broken American health care system belongs to the 'Rats.  If the GOP break it further it will be theirs and the 'Rats will hang it around the neck of the GOP and the Right for decades to come.


Valid point..
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Re: What Was the Point of Winning the Election?
« Reply #35 on: March 20, 2017, 12:54:30 PM »
You're all kind of talking around the point.  The feral government will never voluntarily reduce its control over any aspect of our society.  That just isn't going to happen.

This is the unabashed Truth that few to none are willing to recognize.

You cannot stop unbridled zealotry for power and control by people totally unmoored from moral principles.  Those IN and those supported BY Government are never going to give up expanding their power.  Doesn't matter which party is at the helm because we have an oligarchy running things and party is just the shell game they use to create the illusion we have a voice in restraining government power in our lives.   Government has become the god of this nation, whether we would recognize it or not.   We have become accustomed to tyranny and we lie to ourselves that we are free.

ObamaCare is here to stay, with merely more scaffolding for cosmetic differences to be applied.

Only an economic collapse will force the hand of the state from behemoth programs such as this, but chances are those in power will merely blame those they fear for the disaster so as to direct all the rage from themselves.

The truth is, You cannot stop tyranny via civil means.
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Re: What Was the Point of Winning the Election?
« Reply #36 on: March 20, 2017, 12:57:27 PM »
This is the unabashed Truth that few to none are willing to recognize.

You cannot stop unbridled zealotry for power and control by people totally unmoored from moral principles.  Those IN and those supported BY Government are never going to give up expanding their power.  Doesn't matter which party is at the helm because we have an oligarchy running things and party is just the shell game they use to create the illusion we have a voice in restraining government power in our lives.   Government has become the god of this nation, whether we would recognize it or not.   We have become accustomed to tyranny and we lie to ourselves that we are free.

ObamaCare is here to stay, with merely more scaffolding for cosmetic differences to be applied.

Only an economic collapse will force the hand of the state from behemoth programs such as this, but chances are those in power will merely blame those they fear for the disaster so as to direct all the rage from themselves.

The truth is, You cannot stop tyranny via civil means.

In this election people made it very clear that they only wanted their own dictator.

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Re: What Was the Point of Winning the Election?
« Reply #37 on: March 20, 2017, 02:55:59 PM »
The 'Repeal' and replacement of our health insurance system will be the vehicle that destroys the Democrat Party.

President Trump will publicly call for the primary of ALL Congressmen and Senators who vote against his plan.

Coming on the heels that, indeed, the Democrats made up the Putin/Trump association, it won't be that difficult for him to do.

And if the GOPe doesn't behave itself, and support the Republican POTUS, we're going to see the birth of the Constitution Party.

You forget one very important difference between Democrats and Republicans @DCPatriot --- The Democrats hang together--through thick and thin.  Hillary's breathtaking defeat should have shattered the Democrats.  It did not.  They are in our faces 24/7.  They and the MSM speak from one page of talking points, hammering their "truth".  NO Democrat congressman or senator will be primaried because of their vote against repeal of Obamacare.  With one voice they will be celebrated.

Republicans on the other hand, splinter like cheap wood.  They don't have each other's backs---not even the President's.  They use each other's backs as a stepping stone to the highest moral, purist level possible and to rehash hurt feelings.  When looking at Republicans one does not admire their strength, one snickers at their unique talent to grab defeat from the jaws of victory.  There will be many primary fights in the Republican Party--but to what end I cannot even imagine.

We can threaten to form a Constitution Party.  We can carry through on that threat.  But by the time this party is strong enough to matter, it most assuredly will not.

It is now or never.



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Re: What Was the Point of Winning the Election?
« Reply #38 on: March 20, 2017, 03:09:40 PM »
Republicans on the other hand, splinter like cheap wood.  They don't have each other's backs---not even the President's.  They use each other's backs as a stepping stone to the highest moral, purist level possible and to rehash hurt feelings.  When looking at Republicans one does not admire their strength, one snickers at their unique talent to grab defeat from the jaws of victory.  There will be many primary fights in the Republican Party--but to what end I cannot even imagine.

We can threaten to form a Constitution Party.  We can carry through on that threat.  But by the time this party is strong enough to matter, it most assuredly will not.

It is now or never.

When the Generals and the leadership of the party, turn on their own base and demand we shut up while they sell us out to the enemy and engage in slaughtering us in our racks at night - staying in that army is no longer an option unless you want to be a soldier for traitors.

I won't fight for their oligarchy.

It's time to find ourselves a different branch of service we can fight with.
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Re: What Was the Point of Winning the Election?
« Reply #39 on: March 20, 2017, 04:22:36 PM »

It's time to find ourselves a different branch of service we can fight with.

Godspeed @INVAR.  I'm only trying to send a clarion call that the time is now and the clock is ticking.  I'm not sure we'll get another chance.  At this moment in our history we need strength in numbers as well as principle.


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Re: What Was the Point of Winning the Election?
« Reply #40 on: March 20, 2017, 04:52:04 PM »
When the Generals and the leadership of the party, turn on their own base and demand we shut up while they sell us out to the enemy and engage in slaughtering us in our racks at night - staying in that army is no longer an option unless you want to be a soldier for traitors.

I won't fight for their oligarchy.

It's time to find ourselves a different branch of service we can fight with.

Maybe it's time to recognize that the base consists of pragmatic folks in the middle who want their elected representatives to address actual problems, not spit ideology and mythology.   

If you're the "base", INVAR, the GOP has no future. 

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Re: What Was the Point of Winning the Election?
« Reply #41 on: March 20, 2017, 07:02:37 PM »
Well then...it's about to be hijacked and turned into a major Party.
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Good, as long as you stick to the platform!
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Re: What Was the Point of Winning the Election?
« Reply #42 on: March 20, 2017, 07:10:01 PM »
When the Generals and the leadership of the party, turn on their own base and demand we shut up while they sell us out to the enemy and engage in slaughtering us in our racks at night - staying in that army is no longer an option unless you want to be a soldier for traitors.

I won't fight for their oligarchy.

It's time to find ourselves a different branch of service we can fight with.
I came to that conclusion well before last November. That's why I voted for the Constitution Party candidate. I knew Trump would get ND's electoral votes, and Hillary would not, so I had no qualms whatsoever.
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Re: What Was the Point of Winning the Election?
« Reply #43 on: March 20, 2017, 07:11:51 PM »
Maybe it's time to recognize that the base consists of pragmatic folks in the middle who want their elected representatives to address actual problems, not spit ideology and mythology.   

If you're the "base", INVAR, the GOP has no future. 

We want neither political wars nor culture wars.  We want results.
The GOP, depending on how it behaves now that it has the 'Trump' cards, may well have no future. It no longer has any excuses, either.
How God must weep at humans' folly! Stand fast! God knows what he is doing!

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Re: What Was the Point of Winning the Election?
« Reply #44 on: March 20, 2017, 07:13:19 PM »
I came to that conclusion well before last November. That's why I voted for the Constitution Party candidate. I knew Trump would get ND's electoral votes, and Hillary would not, so I had no qualms whatsoever.

Ditto that (only, Texas...not ND).
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« Reply #45 on: March 20, 2017, 07:29:47 PM »
You forget one very important difference between Democrats and Republicans @DCPatriot --- The Democrats hang together--through thick and thin.  Hillary's breathtaking defeat should have shattered the Democrats.  It did not.  They are in our faces 24/7.  They and the MSM speak from one page of talking points, hammering their "truth".  NO Democrat congressman or senator will be primaried because of their vote against repeal of Obamacare.  With one voice they will be celebrated.

Republicans on the other hand, splinter like cheap wood.  They don't have each other's backs---not even the President's.  They use each other's backs as a stepping stone to the highest moral, purist level possible and to rehash hurt feelings.  When looking at Republicans one does not admire their strength, one snickers at their unique talent to grab defeat from the jaws of victory.  There will be many primary fights in the Republican Party--but to what end I cannot even imagine.

We can threaten to form a Constitution Party.  We can carry through on that threat.  But by the time this party is strong enough to matter, it most assuredly will not.

It is now or never.
After campaigning for six years to repeal-replace, they must deliver. So only now, they come up with this 3 phase stuff.

And phase 3 requires a 60 vote Senate majority. It shouldn't be that difficult. The 60 votes is NOT in the constitution.

My instinct is they are protecting the status quo, the establishment, holding to the plans and proposals put forth by lawyers and lobbyists for the mega-health insurance industry.

Not willing to revert to a completely free market. A free market whereby the "single payer" is the consumer himself.

Employers can insure if they want. Consumers can buy policies if they want. But nobody is compelled to do anything.

Doctors and hospitals can take installments on costly procedures.

The poor, as always will be treated out of charity. Just like in the 40s-50s-60s when we were great.


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Re: What Was the Point of Winning the Election?
« Reply #46 on: March 20, 2017, 09:04:44 PM »
Godspeed @INVAR.  I'm only trying to send a clarion call that the time is now and the clock is ticking.  I'm not sure we'll get another chance.  At this moment in our history we need strength in numbers as well as principle.

With all due respect we do not have both numbers or principles right now, and perhaps never will again.

So everyone opts for numbers sans principles - and any chance for a return to Constitutional Conservatism is made impossible.

A people no longer governed by principles are a people already conquered by every design intended to enslave them.
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« Reply #47 on: March 20, 2017, 09:10:47 PM »
Maybe it's time to recognize that the base consists of pragmatic folks in the middle who want their elected representatives to address actual problems, not spit ideology and mythology.   

If you're the "base", INVAR, the GOP has no future. 


I'm no longer part of your party's 'base' since it decided that it should simply be an Obama-Democrat Lite party that circles the wagons to protect all things oligarchy and anathema to Conservatism.

So rejoice that people like me are no longer part of your Lifetime Liberal Establishment party.

The GOP's future will simply be remembered as the party that became the party of white Liberal Big Government Leftists.

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Re: What Was the Point of Winning the Election?
« Reply #48 on: March 20, 2017, 09:13:50 PM »
You forget one very important difference between Democrats and Republicans @DCPatriot --- The Democrats hang together--through thick and thin.  Hillary's breathtaking defeat should have shattered the Democrats.  It did not.  They are in our faces 24/7.  They and the MSM speak from one page of talking points, hammering their "truth".  NO Democrat congressman or senator will be primaried because of their vote against repeal of Obamacare.  With one voice they will be celebrated.

Republicans on the other hand, splinter like cheap wood.  They don't have each other's backs---not even the President's.  They use each other's backs as a stepping stone to the highest moral, purist level possible and to rehash hurt feelings.  When looking at Republicans one does not admire their strength, one snickers at their unique talent to grab defeat from the jaws of victory.  There will be many primary fights in the Republican Party--but to what end I cannot even imagine.

We can threaten to form a Constitution Party.  We can carry through on that threat.  But by the time this party is strong enough to matter, it most assuredly will not.

It is now or never.

The Republican Party is the melting pot for American capitalists, and for those of us that appreciate the heritage and history we were taught in school. 

It's for those of us who grew up with 30-60 minute Westerns, where Christian morals and fairness won out before the last commercial.

Many Americans still don't realize how close we came to LOSING the Republic last November 8th....with this "open borders" crap for another 8 years??



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Re: What Was the Point of Winning the Election?
« Reply #49 on: March 20, 2017, 10:02:05 PM »
You're all kind of talking around the point.  The feral government will never voluntarily reduce its control over any aspect of our society.  That just isn't going to happen.  What y'all need to do is help get an Article V convention called so the states can force the federal behemoth back into its Constitutional restrictions.

Bingo!!!   :beer:  :patriot:
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