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Re: It Might Soon Be Legal for Employers to Force You Into a Genetic Test
« Reply #125 on: March 13, 2017, 08:23:38 pm »
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Re: It Might Soon Be Legal for Employers to Force You Into a Genetic Test
« Reply #126 on: March 13, 2017, 08:58:43 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on March 13, 2017, 08:21:10 pm
Nothing Orwellian about this.  It's quite benign.   It's a clarification of existing law intended to assure employers that they can include as part of a workplace wellness program a health risk assessment that asks questions about family medical history.   Completing an HRA would continue to be voluntary, and the information would be solicited in connection with an ERISA group health plan (that is, the reward would take the form of a discount in the group medical premium).  That keeps the information confidential so it cannot be used for employment purposes by the employer.

I do not mind if it is voluntary. But I trust no one. Not the employer, not the insurance company, not the government.

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Re: It Might Soon Be Legal for Employers to Force You Into a Genetic Test
« Reply #127 on: March 13, 2017, 09:03:08 pm »
Quote from: truth_seeker on March 13, 2017, 08:58:43 pm
I do not mind if it is voluntary. But I trust no one. Not the employer, not the insurance company, not the government.

Funny word, "Voluntary."  We send in our tax forms "voluntarily."  Radio stations broadcast EBS tests "voluntarily."  Sarge needs a "volunteer."

When a big government advocate tells me something is going to be "voluntary" I start looking for the big lie.  There's a hook somewhere in that bait.
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Re: It Might Soon Be Legal for Employers to Force You Into a Genetic Test
« Reply #128 on: March 13, 2017, 09:04:03 pm »
Quote from: truth_seeker on March 13, 2017, 08:58:43 pm
I do not mind if it is voluntary. But I trust no one. Not the employer, not the insurance company, not the government.

Kinda scary to think of the chaos that could be created if hackers were to switch from stealing personal info files to your DNA info from a database​. 
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Re: It Might Soon Be Legal for Employers to Force You Into a Genetic Test
« Reply #129 on: March 13, 2017, 09:04:13 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on March 13, 2017, 09:03:08 pm
Funny word, "Voluntary."  We send in our tax forms "voluntarily."  Radio stations broadcast EBS tests "voluntarily."  Sarge needs a "volunteer."

When a big government advocate tells me something is going to be "voluntary" I start looking for the big lie.  There's a hook somewhere in that bait.
The personal mandate is voluntary as long as you can afford the ever increasing fine er um I mean tax.
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Re: It Might Soon Be Legal for Employers to Force You Into a Genetic Test
« Reply #130 on: March 13, 2017, 09:05:27 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on March 13, 2017, 08:21:10 pm
Nothing Orwellian about this.  It's quite benign.   

That is what tyrants and their supporters always tell the people that they are enslaving.

Quote from: Jazzhead on March 13, 2017, 08:21:10 pm
Completing an HRA would continue to be voluntary, and the information would be solicited in connection with an ERISA group health plan... That keeps the information confidential so it cannot be used for employment purposes by the employer.

Right.

And the Income Tax and SoSec were supposed to be voluntary too, and it was actually printed on the SoSec Card I still have that says 'For Social Security Purposes Only - Not for identification', and we see how well that 'selling point' lasted.  Try opening a bank account or obtaining a driver's license without one.

History teaches that anytime a government says something is voluntary - it will be made mandatory in short order.   Likewise anything they say is confidential and cannot be used for something, will be used publicly as a weapon against those they are seeking to control.

Only fools and those desiring the implementation of tyranny would make the insistences that you do.
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Re: It Might Soon Be Legal for Employers to Force You Into a Genetic Test
« Reply #131 on: March 13, 2017, 09:05:41 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on March 13, 2017, 09:03:08 pm
Funny word, "Voluntary."  We send in our tax forms "voluntarily."  Radio stations broadcast EBS tests "voluntarily."  Sarge needs a "volunteer."

When a big government advocate tells me something is going to be "voluntary" I start looking for the big lie.  There's a hook somewhere in that bait.

The current popular phrase for that is volun-told
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Re: It Might Soon Be Legal for Employers to Force You Into a Genetic Test
« Reply #132 on: March 13, 2017, 09:19:54 pm »
Quote from: Idaho_Cowboy on March 13, 2017, 09:04:13 pm
The personal mandate is voluntary as long as you can afford the ever increasing fine er um I mean tax.

"Individual Shared Responsibility Payment."  I shit you not.

https://www.irs.gov/affordable-care-act/the-individual-shared-responsibility-payment-an-overview
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Re: It Might Soon Be Legal for Employers to Force You Into a Genetic Test
« Reply #133 on: March 13, 2017, 09:21:40 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on March 13, 2017, 09:05:41 pm
The current popular phrase for that is volun-told

I was never in the service.  BTW, thank you for yours....
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Re: It Might Soon Be Legal for Employers to Force You Into a Genetic Test
« Reply #134 on: March 13, 2017, 09:25:48 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on March 13, 2017, 09:04:03 pm
Kinda scary to think of the chaos that could be created if hackers were to switch from stealing personal info files to your DNA info from a database​.

It is not that far out. I know of a person that was court ordered to provide urine samples, as a condition of probation or child custody.

The person stood in court, and the law enforcement official informed the judge "your honor, the sample provided to the court is not human."

Dog piss.
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Re: It Might Soon Be Legal for Employers to Force You Into a Genetic Test
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Re: It Might Soon Be Legal for Employers to Force You Into a Genetic Test
« Reply #136 on: March 14, 2017, 01:03:58 am »
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Re: It Might Soon Be Legal for Employers to Force You Into a Genetic Test
« Reply #137 on: March 14, 2017, 01:43:41 am »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on March 13, 2017, 09:21:40 pm
I was never in the service.  BTW, thank you for yours....

@Cyber Liberty thanks.
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